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Post by Merge on Jul 20, 2020 17:59:44 GMT
www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/keller-mother-believes-daughter-contracted-covid-19-at-church-camp/2409567/%3Fampwww.wfaa.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/parents-frustrated-after-several-kids-test-positive-after-summer-church-camp/287-0f7700d7-39f0-49be-8e46-154fe673bc68Just read through the levels of stupidity that had to happen for this all to go down, starting with the family of patient zero who sent their kid to camp knowing he/she had been exposed and was awaiting test results. I hope that all these young people are not seriously ill and that they recover quickly. I find it concerning that they are not reporting total numbers and have not said if adults were infected at the camp as well. But it all brings up to me a larger question - will parents be able to sue teachers and parents if their kids contract COVID after we all go back to school? We cannot watch them every second, and even if we put best practices into place, there will be a group of idiots who takes off their masks at some point and jams together for a selfie. Because kids are not always as bright as we want them to be. And, in many areas, kids (probably including those at this camp) are still being told by their parents that this is all no big deal and the risk is very low. If and when we do go back, in addition to making sure we have short and long term disability paid up, every teacher should be double checking their liability coverage. It only takes one kid and his Karen mom to ruin your life when her kids contracts COVID on your watch.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 20, 2020 18:04:44 GMT
All of this as Ft Worth ISD doubles down and *insists* they WILL start in person on August 17.
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Post by epeanymous on Jul 20, 2020 18:12:07 GMT
We all want “a sense of normalcy.”
Texas numbers have been up for weeks. I know it is hard not to let your kids do normal stuff, but as long as some families insist on “normalcy” despite not-normal conditions, this is going to drag on *forever.*
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Post by mrssmith on Jul 20, 2020 18:14:30 GMT
I wonder if any districts will require families to sign releases.
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Jul 20, 2020 18:15:07 GMT
I think that the mother bears most of the responsibility in this situation. She choose to allow her daughter to go to the camp.
So the daughter was "sad and lonely" before going to camp? Now she's sad, lonely and SICK! When are people going to realize that this pandemic is real?
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 20, 2020 18:17:30 GMT
We all want “a sense of normalcy.” Texas numbers have been up for weeks. I know it is hard not to let your kids do normal stuff, but as long as some families insist on “normalcy” despite not-normal conditions, this is going to drag on *forever.* You should check out Olympic Kennel Club on Facebook. They hold one of the largest dog shows on the west coast. They have changed their August dog show from a dog show to a camping event  It’s held in Enumclaw and we know King County will not be in phase 4 by the middle of August. The lack of integrity is infuriating. |
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Post by sam9 on Jul 20, 2020 18:24:36 GMT
Have you ever been sued before because a student of yours contracted an illness while at school? Just because covid is serious does not mean that parents would hold you, the teacher, responsible for their child’s illness. How would they prove it?
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Post by Merge on Jul 20, 2020 18:32:24 GMT
Have you ever been sued before because a student of yours contracted an illness while at school? Just because covid is serious does not mean that parents would hold you, the teacher, responsible for their child’s illness. How would they prove it? I’m imagining kids taking unmasked, un-distanced selfies and all their teachers getting sued for “letting” it happen. No, of course nothing like this has happened yet, but we’ve also never had school during a widespread pandemic of a serious disease. |
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Post by 2peafaithful on Jul 20, 2020 18:36:15 GMT
This is close to home for me. We don't attend church here but it's in our community. Our city newsletter that went out via email on Friday stated, Covid Update: 266 cases, 152 recovered and 17 deaths.
I heard about it yesterday from a friend. The church posted on Facebook yesterday but not in detail. It communicated we fulfilled any guidelines from the Texas State Health Dept and the CDC.
That's the minimum. Why not go above and beyond the minimum?
Keystones home page states, "At KEYSTONE, we believe in building lives because we’re passionate about life and living it whole in all its fullness. It’s because of who we believe in—and that’s the very Life-giver Himself. Jesus."
Words are valuable. When actions reflect whats communicated.
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Post by Princess Amy on Jul 20, 2020 19:00:31 GMT
www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/keller-mother-believes-daughter-contracted-covid-19-at-church-camp/2409567/%3Fampwww.wfaa.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/parents-frustrated-after-several-kids-test-positive-after-summer-church-camp/287-0f7700d7-39f0-49be-8e46-154fe673bc68Just read through the levels of stupidity that had to happen for this all to go down, starting with the family of patient zero who sent their kid to camp knowing he/she had been exposed and was awaiting test results. I hope that all these young people are not seriously ill and that they recover quickly. I find it concerning that they are not reporting total numbers and have not said if adults were infected at the camp as well. But it all brings up to me a larger question - will parents be able to sue teachers and parents if their kids contract COVID after we all go back to school? We cannot watch them every second, and even if we put best practices into place, there will be a group of idiots who takes off their masks at some point and jams together for a selfie. Because kids are not always as bright as we want them to be. And, in many areas, kids (probably including those at this camp) are still being told by their parents that this is all no big deal and the risk is very low. If and when we do go back, in addition to making sure we have short and long term disability paid up, every teacher should be double checking their liability coverage. It only takes one kid and his Karen mom to ruin your life when her kids contracts COVID on your watch. In Iowa, we have been told by the ISEA lawyer that we cannot be sued. No one can can definitively prove how/ where/when/ by whom they became infected. |
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Post by sam9 on Jul 20, 2020 19:04:56 GMT
Have you ever been sued before because a student of yours contracted an illness while at school? Just because covid is serious does not mean that parents would hold you, the teacher, responsible for their child’s illness. How would they prove it? I’m imagining kids taking unmasked, un-distanced selfies and all their teachers getting sued for “letting” it happen. No, of course nothing like this has happened yet, but we’ve also never had school during a widespread pandemic of a serious disease. I’d love to know how "those" parents would think a teacher could stop kids from doing foolish things like taking unmasked group selfies. Who is supposed to be raising our kids anyway. Parents or teachers? But your example brings something to mind - I hope that if in person school happens that all buildings will be 100% device-free zones for kids. |
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Jul 20, 2020 19:05:59 GMT
Isn’t this one of the clauses trump wants for businesses? That they can’t be sued. That should definitely extend to teachers as well then.
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Post by cme37 on Jul 20, 2020 19:11:10 GMT
I used to live in Keller. So many of my old acquaintances post on Facebook that Covid is not real or not that big of a deal. They have been going on vacations to the gulf coast, weddings, and were going to the bars until the Governor shut those down again. I'm really not surprised this happened there.
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Post by Merge on Jul 20, 2020 19:20:58 GMT
I used to live in Keller. So many of my old acquaintances post on Facebook that Covid is not real or not that big of a deal. They have been going on vacations to the gulf coast, weddings, and were going to the bars until the Governor shut those down again. I'm really not surprised this happened there. Trump country up there for sure. |
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Post by heckofagal on Jul 20, 2020 19:43:46 GMT
I'm so glad I don't belong to a church anymore because many of them seem to brainwash people into believing this shit isn't real. Just saw one of my former co-workers post on FB a picture of a bridge they built at their church and it had a photo of 32 people standing shoulder to shoulder. Not a single mask.
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Jul 20, 2020 19:47:10 GMT
I read another article on this where one mother said they were told the groups would be "small" and the groups were 40 kids in a pod, all unmasked. I feel like the camp should take major responsibility for this. I do think the parents didn't understand or didn't ask enough questions (or didn't care) but the camp was negligent for sure.
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Post by christine58 on Jul 20, 2020 19:52:02 GMT
But it all brings up to me a larger question - will parents be able to sue teachers and parents if their kids contract COVID after we all go back to school? Here in NYS with some limited exceptions, New York’s Education Law requires school districts to defend and indemnify board members, superintendents, principals, teachers and other specified individuals for reasonable costs and expenses incurred in legal actions or proceedings against them that stem from the exercise of their powers or the performance of their duties. An exception applies when the legal action or proceeding is one brought by the district itself. We had a parent threaten to sue a teacher (cannot remember why) and this was explained to me as the Union President along with the teacher. I'd be checking the SED guidelines for your state. |
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Post by lisae on Jul 20, 2020 20:00:30 GMT
40 kids in one cabin? Did I read that right? I haven't been to camp in over 40 years and I know everything in the world has been supersized but I don't consider that a cabin. And if you put a bunch of girls in any kind of cabin at night and expect them to not get together and gossip less than 6 feet apart, you are just deluded.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jul 20, 2020 20:02:46 GMT
40 kids in one cabin? Did I read that right? I haven't been to camp in over 40 years and I know everything in the world has been supersized but I don't consider that a cabin. And if you put a bunch of girls in any kind of cabin at night and expect them to not get together and gossip less than 6 feet apart, you are just deluded. I thought the same thing! Their idea of a bubble of kids who don't need to socially distance or wear masks is 40? That is crazy. |
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Post by Mel on Jul 20, 2020 20:05:20 GMT
I'm in Iowa too. My DD goes to a small school in SE, IA. They are starting cheerleading practices tonight(well, I think tonight is just info meeting). Parents had to sign a form releasing the school, sponsor, district, etc, etc from blame if their child comes in contact with Covid-19 & another part that says that we haven't had any symptoms, testing, results pending or positive test.
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Post by Restless Spirit on Jul 20, 2020 20:39:32 GMT
I used to live in Keller. So many of my old acquaintances post on Facebook that Covid is not real or not that big of a deal. They have been going on vacations to the gulf coast, weddings, and were going to the bars until the Governor shut those down again. I'm really not surprised this happened there. Trump country up there for sure. I’m not surprised either. I used to live “on the wrong side of the tracks” in North Fort Worth right next to Keller. Their sense of entitlement was astounding. (2nd only to Southlake). Both cities were Republican strongholds. |
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Post by Merge on Jul 20, 2020 20:53:13 GMT
But it all brings up to me a larger question - will parents be able to sue teachers and parents if their kids contract COVID after we all go back to school? Here in NYS with some limited exceptions, New York’s Education Law requires school districts to defend and indemnify board members, superintendents, principals, teachers and other specified individuals for reasonable costs and expenses incurred in legal actions or proceedings against them that stem from the exercise of their powers or the performance of their duties. An exception applies when the legal action or proceeding is one brought by the district itself. We had a parent threaten to sue a teacher (cannot remember why) and this was explained to me as the Union President along with the teacher. I'd be checking the SED guidelines for your state. The district is not required to defend us here. Every Texas teacher is strongly encouraged to carry liability insurance and to belong to the union (one of the powers our unions do actually have is legal representation of teachers). |
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Post by librarylady on Jul 20, 2020 21:14:26 GMT
Parents are supposed to do what is needed to keep their child healthy and safe.
I put the blame at the foot of the parents who sent the kids off to camp.
Next in line are the church sponsors who willingly took kids to camp.
Lastly, the camp should not be holding camp this summer.
I hope no child becomes seriously ill nor dies....but lots of foolishness in this camp event.
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Post by sabrinae on Jul 20, 2020 21:19:20 GMT
I'm in Iowa too. My DD goes to a small school in SE, IA. They are starting cheerleading practices tonight(well, I think tonight is just info meeting). Parents had to sign a form releasing the school, sponsor, district, etc, etc from blame if their child comes in contact with Covid-19 & another part that says that we haven't had any symptoms, testing, results pending or positive test. Those waivers aren’t enforceable though. You can’t wave gross negligence. |
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Post by dixielee50 on Jul 20, 2020 21:44:11 GMT
I'm so glad I don't belong to a church anymore because many of them seem to brainwash people into believing this shit isn't real. Just saw one of my former co-workers post on FB a picture of a bridge they built at their church and it had a photo of 32 people standing shoulder to shoulder. Not a single mask. I'm sure some of the more fundamentalist churches are like you said but the large majority are not doing that. Most, in my state, are still closed. Some opened up again but with very strict guidelines, such as distancing, required masks, requiring making reservations to attend, no congregating to chat, no communion, no passing the offering plate. My church has been posting the sermon online from a pastor in an empty church except sometimes the organist. They are planning to start having services in a couple weeks with most of the things I listed above, with the addition of taking attendance so if someone does test positive they know who went to church with that person. But for members like me, they will still be posting the service online because we don't want to take any chances. |
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Post by dixielee50 on Jul 20, 2020 21:47:32 GMT
I'm in Iowa too. My DD goes to a small school in SE, IA. They are starting cheerleading practices tonight(well, I think tonight is just info meeting). Parents had to sign a form releasing the school, sponsor, district, etc, etc from blame if their child comes in contact with Covid-19 & another part that says that we haven't had any symptoms, testing, results pending or positive test. Hey, Mel!! Here in Tripoli, the kids have been going to open gym to unofficially practice for volleyball. Not required yet but highly recommended that they go if they plan to participate. Pretty sure they aren't doing much to protect themselves. Their teams managed to make it through the softball & baseball season without exposure but several teams had to stop playing due to positive tests. |
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Post by ntsf on Jul 20, 2020 21:57:08 GMT
our church building is closed.. and the larger church denomination put out a long long list of getting ready to reopen.. and it looks like we wont open the building in a long time. we are renting to a group doing childcare for essential worker kids.. and have an intense program of checks, pods of 10 kids.. sanitation, etc...the liability is great.
CA just suspended all fall sports til spring.
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Post by epeanymous on Jul 20, 2020 23:09:31 GMT
We all want “a sense of normalcy.” Texas numbers have been up for weeks. I know it is hard not to let your kids do normal stuff, but as long as some families insist on “normalcy” despite not-normal conditions, this is going to drag on *forever.* You should check out Olympic Kennel Club on Facebook. They hold one of the largest dog shows on the west coast. They have changed their August dog show from a dog show to a camping event It’s held in Enumclaw and we know King County will not be in phase 4 by the middle of August. The lack of integrity is infuriating. King County’s r is at 1.5 now, I think, so I’m not sure we’re even going to stay in phase 2, much less actually progress :/. |
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Post by wholarmor on Jul 21, 2020 0:37:47 GMT
There was a church across the border from us in Idaho that had a 1,000 member attendance at a meeting. No masks. Foolish people I'm so glad I don't belong to a church anymore because many of them seem to brainwash people into believing this shit isn't real. Just saw one of my former co-workers post on FB a picture of a bridge they built at their church and it had a photo of 32 people standing shoulder to shoulder. Not a single mask. |
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Post by RosieKat on Jul 21, 2020 1:04:50 GMT
I put the blame at the foot of the parents who sent the kids off to camp. Next in line are the church sponsors who willingly took kids to camp. Lastly, the camp should not be holding camp this summer. Yep. I run a church-based camp. It is extremely popular here - we were slated to hold it for 8 different weeks at 6 different churches (I think that's what it was). We made the decision May 1 that we would not hold camp. We didn't want to put parents in a tough situation, and we also didn't want to be responsible for having to have high school and college students enforcing social distancing, etc. Most of all, we didn't want to be inadvertently responsible for anyone getting sick. We are a nonprofit, but all the money we raise goes towards helping feed homeless people. We opted to raise funds in some different ways this summer to try to help with that need, while not risking anyone's health. A church and its organizations should first and foremost DO THE RIGHT THING! |
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