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Post by TankTop on Jul 31, 2020 2:48:35 GMT
And a student who attended half a day tested positive.
Apparently the student was waiting in results and attended school. The results came in and the health department called the school. They isolated the student. However, several classes and fellow bus riders had been exposed.
Day 1.
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Post by AmandaA on Jul 31, 2020 2:59:43 GMT
I don’t think you are in my state... but I just read a story like this from our local news. Ironically, there was a story done at this school system today be the same news channel. It was one of a handful to open today in our area. The end point of the story was that they were prepared to deal with a student testing positive at some point, like not if but when. Well apparently when had already happened before the story ran 🤦🏻♀️
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Post by paigepea on Jul 31, 2020 3:12:07 GMT
Oy. Is there no health declaration before school? Our kids complete a health declaration every day before day camp with questions like - have you or anyone in your household had exposure, are you or is anyone in your household awaiting test results, etc.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 31, 2020 3:16:10 GMT
However, several classes and fellow bus riders had been exposed. So what's the plan for these students? The bus driver? Teachers? Are they all isolating while awaiting test results? |
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Post by SockMonkey on Jul 31, 2020 3:16:30 GMT
Oy. Is there no health declaration before school? Our kids complete a health declaration every day before day camp with questions like - have you or anyone in your household had exposure, are you or is anyone in your household awaiting test results, etc. Most schools are self certifying. This means people will lie. |
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Post by Bobomommy on Jul 31, 2020 3:17:14 GMT
Oy. Is there no health declaration before school? Our kids complete a health declaration every day before day camp with questions like - have you or anyone in your household had exposure, are you or is anyone in your household awaiting test results, etc. If the parent knowingly sent the child while waiting on results, they probably wouldn’t tell the truth on a health declaration. Students in my county start August 24. It won’t be many days into the year before we have a child tell us they had a fever that morning, but took medicine and it’s gone. |
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Jul 31, 2020 3:17:27 GMT
Oy. Is there no health declaration before school? Our kids complete a health declaration every day before day camp with questions like - have you or anyone in your household had exposure, are you or is anyone in your household awaiting test results, etc. I doubt that everyone will answer those questions honestly. |
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Post by AmandaA on Jul 31, 2020 3:21:54 GMT
Oy. Is there no health declaration before school? Our kids complete a health declaration every day before day camp with questions like - have you or anyone in your household had exposure, are you or is anyone in your household awaiting test results, etc. In the case here the superintendent said this in his comments: “Our job becomes exponentially more difficult when students come to school without meeting the expectations of the self-screening tool we’ve asked families to complete each day”. I told DH this is just going to be a giant game of whac-a-mole as schools try to reopen and have to trust people to do the right thing. I have lost the ability to trust a lot of folks in the past 4 months and that is before schools even tried to reopen. |
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Post by paigepea on Jul 31, 2020 3:31:07 GMT
Well I wish there was an unlike button because it sucks that people will lie.
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Post by Merge on Jul 31, 2020 3:38:19 GMT
People who believe the whole thing is a hoax certainly aren’t going to fess up and tell the school they might have been wrong, that Grandma has a cough and fever and Jimmy spent the night there last weekend.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Jul 31, 2020 4:14:01 GMT
This is just the beginning. I just don't know what they expect will happen.
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Post by sam9 on Jul 31, 2020 4:21:22 GMT
But why would people do this - send their kid to school when they’re waiting on a test result from exposure? And don’t say because they think it’s a hoax, because then why would they have the child tested in the first place? I am 100% mystified. Surely there can’t be that many dumb people in the world.
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Post by quinlove on Jul 31, 2020 4:27:15 GMT
But why would people do this - send their kid to school when they’re waiting on a test result from exposure? And don’t say because they think it’s a hoax, because then why would they have the child tested in the first place? I am 100% mystified. Surely there can’t be that many dumb people in the world. I welcome you to the Divided States of America. Come see for yourself. |
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 31, 2020 5:03:00 GMT
But why would people do this - send their kid to school when they’re waiting on a test result from exposure? And don’t say because they think it’s a hoax, because then why would they have the child tested in the first place? I am 100% mystified. Surely there can’t be that many dumb people in the world. Because the parents thought it was unlikely the child had it or because it was the first day of school and they didn’t want their kid to miss out or because the parents had to work and didn’t have anyone to stay home with the kid |
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Post by SabrinaP on Jul 31, 2020 5:21:09 GMT
But why would people do this - send their kid to school when they’re waiting on a test result from exposure? And don’t say because they think it’s a hoax, because then why would they have the child tested in the first place? I am 100% mystified. Surely there can’t be that many dumb people in the world. Because the parents thought it was unlikely the child had it or because it was the first day of school and they didn’t want their kid to miss out or because the parents had to work and didn’t have anyone to stay home with the kid Yep this exactly. This is why opening schools scares me so much. We’ve already seen that many adults cannot act responsibly in this mess and now we expect all parents to do what’s right and keep their kid out of school when they’ve had a possible exposure. Unfortunately after 21 years of teaching I’ve seen too many kids high on fever reducers, or telling me all about how they were up all night the night before throwing up to believe that all parents will do what’s right. |
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Post by ddly on Jul 31, 2020 10:44:18 GMT
Our Governor just pushed our start date to September 8th but our NEA is trying to push a phased start where kids don’t come until the school is ready. Not sure how that will go over.
There is still no written guidance and the statements were loosely worded so schools may still be able to start before the 8th if they feel they’re ready.
The educational community is fed up with the government and agency of education because there doesn’t seem to be any sort of clear guidelines or rules in terms of starting school
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 31, 2020 10:58:27 GMT
But why would people do this - send their kid to school when they’re waiting on a test result from exposure? And don’t say because they think it’s a hoax, because then why would they have the child tested in the first place? I am 100% mystified. Surely there can’t be that many dumb people in the world. Your location says you live in Canada so I'll just mention that while there may not be "than many dumb people in the world".... there surely are that many dumb people in the United States.  |
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Post by peabay on Jul 31, 2020 11:34:23 GMT
But why would people do this - send their kid to school when they’re waiting on a test result from exposure? And don’t say because they think it’s a hoax, because then why would they have the child tested in the first place? I am 100% mystified. Surely there can’t be that many dumb people in the world. Because the parents thought it was unlikely the child had it or because it was the first day of school and they didn’t want their kid to miss out or because the parents had to work and didn’t have anyone to stay home with the kid and "it's no worse than the flu." Except when it is. |
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 31, 2020 11:36:00 GMT
Not surprised. People send their kids to school when they’re sick with everything else under the sun.
I do know that if this were to happen at our school the entire class and teacher would be moved to quarantine at home for 2 weeks and e-learning would be implemented.
Not sure about the rest of the school though.
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Post by Country Ham on Jul 31, 2020 12:07:35 GMT
Because we can be tested for free for any reason it's hard to isolate only for the reason "I got a test". I am not kidding when i say I know people who just want to know and get tested weekly. Covid has just started to really hit the rural areas around me and we now have 18 active cases. One kid plays on the high school football team, one is the daughter of the high school guidance councilor, another a kindergarten teacher and her husband. That said what it really boils down to in this small town is that these people are all one family and his girlfriend. Today is the abbreviated day but according to the school phone call out, IF a kid shows up today there is only one door opened, they go in, get a temp check, get handed their schedule for next week and are sent right back out the front door. No buses are running. Monday is first full day.
Oh yeah, the local dentist also tested positive and is in this family. 80% of our counties cases (active and recovered) all come from the same large family. The dentist is back to work last week after her quarantine.
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Post by shescrafty on Jul 31, 2020 12:17:05 GMT
And a student who attended half a day tested positive. Apparently the student was waiting in results and attended school. The results came in and the health department called the school. They isolated the student. However, several classes and fellow bus riders had been exposed. Day 1. Where is this? My niece is a high school teacher outside of Charleston. She said they moved her start date back but I don’t know Until exactly when. Masks are only required IF they cannot stay 6’ apart-so basically for high schoolers that should be all the time. |
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Post by ashley on Jul 31, 2020 12:49:42 GMT
The rules here are if anyone shows symptoms of covid, the teacher/child/other school employee must remain home until the test comes back negative. I don’t know what the testing times are like here? Or generally what the wait is like.
But this means that any time any person attending a school has a cough, sneeze, fever, (or feels generally unwell??) they need to be staying home for probably a few days. How are parents supposed to do this? Days of unpaid time off work every time a child doesn’t feel well? And because class sizes are normal and kids grade 3 and under don’t need to wear masks we’re going to see lots of normal common cold and non-covid viruses being shared. So yes, parents are going to send their kids to school either while sick or waiting rest results because theyve opened schools to “reopen the economy” (this is what the tagline in our gov announcement says) and parents and kids are bearing that burden of reopening.
I want to know what happens when a staff member tests positive... class is quarantined for two weeks? What if one kid’s teacher does, does their sibling quarantine too? What about when a French teacher who is going to be visiting multiple classes tests positive — whole school shuts down? Same thing for bus driver, whole bus stays home?
I totally understand parents need to work but when I look at the actual pragmatic concerns of keeping everyone safe, it seems to me like the choices are:
1. School isn’t actually safe at all
2. Appropriate quarantines and shut downs are going to be much more disruptive to a stable routine for everyone (teachers, students, parents who are working and their employers) than if we just found a way to continue isolations (which is what has been proven to work).
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Post by Merge on Jul 31, 2020 13:20:47 GMT
Because the parents thought it was unlikely the child had it or because it was the first day of school and they didn’t want their kid to miss out or because the parents had to work and didn’t have anyone to stay home with the kid Yep this exactly. This is why opening schools scares me so much. We’ve already seen that many adults cannot act responsibly in this mess and now we expect all parents to do what’s right and keep their kid out of school when they’ve had a possible exposure. Unfortunately after 21 years of teaching I’ve seen too many kids high on fever reducers, or telling me all about how they were up all night the night before throwing up to believe that all parents will do what’s right. Yep. Every teacher in the US can tell stories about the kid who got dropped off with a nasty virus and spread it to the whole class. I would point out, though, that the major reason parents do this is because employers are not required to have reasonable paid sick time/work from home policies. The main reason parents drop off sick kids is because they have to go to work. Imagine how that would change if employers were required to allow paid sick time, including to care for a sick child. The other problem we’ll have this year - and I hate to say it - is teachers coming in with COVID symptoms or knowing they’ve been exposed and waiting on test results, because there won’t be any subs. Most of us already work sick for one reason or another - frequently because we can’t get a sub, or we can’t get one who can walk and chew gum at the same time (sorry competent subs on this board - they are few and far between in my district because we pay so little!) and it’s easier to work sick than to try to leave plans that will have to be implemented largely by the smartest eight year old in your class rather than the warm body occupying your chair that day. I get the push to go back because online learning mostly sucks, vulnerable kids are being left behind, and everyone is ready for normal. But I really wish someone would ask teachers what we know about the reality of how easily sickness spreads in a school, and how much worse it will be this year. |
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Post by missmiss on Jul 31, 2020 13:38:02 GMT
How long until the first lawsuit suing a school district?
Over under?
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Post by simplyparticular on Jul 31, 2020 13:40:33 GMT
This is exactly what I worry about. We're going to open, and my workplace is definitely watching the schools to decide when to bring the next wave of people back. Our district released the required 3 plans (open, hybrid, remote) for NYS DOE review - without really saying what they want to do. There is no way to social distance in most classrooms in our district, so masks will be required all day of all grades. Teachers will move instead of students for the younger grades - they weren't really clear for HS and you can't really have chem lab in the English room. We're trying to build up comfort with masks with our 6th grade child with autism. It's going okay in front of a video game, not sure how it will work in class where they already struggle. How long until the first lawsuit suing a school district? Over under? Probably already in the works somewhere that starts early and their plan is in violation of FAPE. But for illness, that's going to be hard to prove. |
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Post by missmiss on Jul 31, 2020 13:45:12 GMT
This is exactly what I worry about. We're going to open, and my workplace is definitely watching the schools to decide when to bring the next wave of people back. Our district released the required 3 plans (open, hybrid, remote) for NYS DOE review - without really saying what they want to do. There is no way to social distance in most classrooms in our district, so masks will be required all day of all grades. Teachers will move instead of students for the younger grades - they weren't really clear for HS and you can't really have chem lab in the English room. We're trying to build up comfort with masks with our 6th grade child with autism. It's going okay in front of a video game, not sure how it will work in class where they already struggle. How long until the first lawsuit suing a school district? Over under? Probably already in the works somewhere that starts early and their plan is in violation of FAPE. But for illness, that's going to be hard to prove. I was thinking more for someone becoming sick and dying not to open the schools. Under FAPE it does not say how the education will be delivered. FAPE is a civil right rooted in the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution, which includes the Equal Protection and Due Process clauses. FAPE is defined in 7 CFR § 15b.22 as "the provision of regular or special education and related aids and services that (i) are designed to meet individual needs of handicapped persons as adequately as the needs of nonhandicapped persons are met and (ii) are based on adherence to procedures that satisfy the requirements" specified for one's educational setting with regard to one's evaluation, placement, and procedural safeguards.[6] In the U.S. Code, FAPE is defined as an educational program and related services that are individualized to a specific student and meet the standards established by the state, provided at public expense and without charge.[4] To provide FAPE to a student, schools must provide students with an education, including specialized instruction and related services where necessary, designed to prepare the child for "further education, employment, and independent living."[5] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Appropriate_Public_Education |
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Post by scorpeao on Jul 31, 2020 14:00:58 GMT
this is why we can't open schools. that parent should have never sent their child to school if a covid test was pending. I effing hate people. This is why we can't have nice things.
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Post by epeanymous on Jul 31, 2020 14:19:01 GMT
People who believe the whole thing is a hoax certainly aren’t going to fess up and tell the school they might have been wrong, that Grandma has a cough and fever and Jimmy spent the night there last weekend. There are also a lot of people on very thin ice with struggling employers right now. Much of the reason people send sick kids to school is because they are faced with some pretty bad choices. |
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Post by myshelly on Jul 31, 2020 14:32:22 GMT
Teachers/students aren’t back here yet, but admin and support staff are.
At one junior high, two members of custodial staff contracted COVID and died.
At an elementary school, the office staff (2 VPs, receptionist, principal’s secretary, the attendance clerk and school secretary) all tested positive for COVID. They said they always wore masks. The school did not close.
I have no faith that this school year can be done safely.
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Post by sam9 on Jul 31, 2020 14:33:53 GMT
Well then. In my delusional world I wouldn’t be needing to go to work if my child had been tested for The Virus. I would also be isolating, pending results.
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