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Post by peasapie on Aug 18, 2020 11:22:54 GMT
Until now people in the U.S. have mainly voted in person, right? Why is there this big issue about mail in voting this year? If it’s covid, We go to the grocery store but can’t go vote? I honestly don’t get it.
By the way if people don’t want to walk inside to vote, put a ballot box outside. I feel sure I must be missing something, so enlighten me please.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Aug 18, 2020 11:38:00 GMT
1. Many precincts have been closed (mostly in poor or minority neighborhoods). Therefore, lines will be longer. When was the last time you stood in line 4 hours at a grocery store? 2. People have to take off work to vote. With long lines, most can't afford the time off to vote during non-peak hours when the lines might only be a one-hour wait. 3. Lack of poll workers will make it worse. Many are retirees who are in the highest risk group and are not willing to work the polls. Without poll workers, some locations may be further consolidated.
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Post by schizo319 on Aug 18, 2020 11:42:00 GMT
In my state, our mask orders don't apply to the voting booth for some strange reason. In a state full of anti-maskers, my guess is that the polls are going to be a covid cesspool. Lots of people DON'T actually go to the grocery store (they do instacart or curbside). It also isn't just the voter that is a concern, most poll workers/volunteers are retirees and therefore fit into the "at risk" category, reducing the number of people that they are exposed to (especially maskless ones) is a good thing. In addition to that, some states have been "consolidating" polling places so that minority/democrat heavy areas will have an unreasonable number of voters attempting to vote at the same place. ETA "Louisville, Ky., with 600,000 people, gets one voting location today" www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/23/louisville-ky-with-600000-people-gets-one-voting-location-today/
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Post by ellen on Aug 18, 2020 11:47:34 GMT
My dad lives in a township where everyone votes by mail. My daughter is in the military and has to vote by mail. I don't assume that I will always be able to vote in person so I request a mail in ballot. A lot of people live in areas with few polling places which leads to very long lines.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 18, 2020 11:49:35 GMT
Yes, it is mainly Covid related, but there has been a push for years.
Poll workers are often older. Some of them are not comfortable working the polls this year which may result in longer lines at polling places or more polling places shut down.
In a grocery store, most people don't stand with hundreds of people for hours in line. A lot of people don't go into a store, they get delivery or pickup.
A ballot box outside assumes they already have a ballot, which is what a mail in ballot is.
The closing of polls in mainly lower income, democratic areas makes the wait time much longer. These are also people who often have to take public transportation to get to those areas further increasing their exposure to covid.
ETA: Colorado has had mail in voting for years.
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Post by mari on Aug 18, 2020 12:22:28 GMT
I don’t know if “obsession” is the correct way to describe “wanting to safely exercise ones right to vote”
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Post by Sarah*H on Aug 18, 2020 12:24:45 GMT
Even though I live in a very red suburb, the wait to vote in a Presidential election can be hours long. So yeah, I'm super concerned about standing in line for hours next to a bunch of Trump supporters who refuse to wear a mask because it's a fake virus. And I'm even less enthusiastic about standing next to them when the line gets inside the building. And hand sanitizer or not, not super excited about touching the same screen hundreds of my virus denying neighbors have also just touched.
All of that aside, I may just vote in person after all because I want that monstrous human being to hear loud and clear on election night that we emphatically reject him, everything he stands for and everyone who supports him.
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Post by Merge on Aug 18, 2020 12:32:29 GMT
I don’t stand in line at the grocery store or anywhere else, for what it’s worth. If it can’t be done in a quick trip with self checkout, I order online.
It’s really not about me, though. Like Sarah said, I will put on a mask and face shield and stand there as long as necessary to vote that human scum out of office.
My older and/or less healthy neighbors shouldn’t have to do that. Neither should all the folks living with elderly parents at home, or who have a newborn at home, etc. There’s no good reason those folks shouldn’t get an absentee ballot except that Trump hopes he’ll win if they stay home.
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Post by busy on Aug 18, 2020 12:35:16 GMT
Until now people in the U.S. have mainly voted in person, right? Why is there this big issue about mail in voting this year? If it’s covid, We go to the grocery store but can’t go vote? I honestly don’t get it. By the way if people don’t want to walk inside to vote, put a ballot box outside. I feel sure I must be missing something, so enlighten me please. I live in Oregon, which has been vote-by-mail for over 20 years and I don't get the obsession with in-person voting. It's fine as an option, I suppose, but having vote-by-mail be the standard makes it so much easier for everyone to vote. When only in-person voting is allowed, it's largely lower income, disabled, and elderly people who are disenfranchised. Voting should be easily available for everyone who's legally able to vote. I'm glad that covid is finally giving some more momentum behind vote-by-mail. The current system is ludicrous. We shouldn't *need* to make Election Day a national holiday, because we shouldn't have to stand in long lines to exercise our Constitutional right to vote. People shouldn't have to take a day off work and miss pay. Or ride ten busses across town to get to their polling place. etc etc etc
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Post by luckyexwife on Aug 18, 2020 12:37:26 GMT
Where I live, the polling places are churches and schools. They are already talking about what to do to replace the schools as polling places. Using schools was already a security issue, and now with covid, they will not be using schools at all. Last year they started using some hotel conference centers, so I'm hoping in my area we use the yet more of those.
But, like others have said, there's the issue with transportation, taking time off work, long lines, being mobile enough to get to the polling places, mail in voting just makes a lot of sense for many people.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 18, 2020 12:48:54 GMT
The “obsession” is coming from people trying to block mail in voting. Not those who want it. Trump has said that increased voting is bad for him and republicans in general. He caught wind of some states increasing mail in voting and jumped on it. Fits right in with his rhetoric that the election will be rigged or results too confusing to say who the winner is. All while encouraging mail in voting in republican states while blocking it in swing states. And he voted my mail himself.
Others have given good reasons why in person voting doesn’t work for everyone. Especially this year.
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Post by Jili on Aug 18, 2020 13:06:57 GMT
I had planned to vote mail-in. Now I’m concerned that I won’t receive my ballot in a timely manner to do that.
I’m going to do early voting. One of my reasons for wanting to vote by mail was this— what if, by crazy chance, I have Covid actually on Election Day? I will crawl over broken glass to cast my vote this year. It’ll be early voting for me as soon as I am able. I’ll have to take the risk of waiting in the huge line— and there will be one.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 18, 2020 13:07:31 GMT
Obsession? The only person who seems obsessed is the president. He wanted to create a perception of Democratic cheating, so clumsily seized on mail-in voting. Except in Florida where it’s fine.
Problem is clumsy works just fine with his base. Another part of clumsy is drawing a distinction without a a difference by claiming “Absentee voting good; mail-in sad.” Again: building perception in advance, a.k.a. stoking flames.
(Even in Blue areas with sufficient polls, there can be long waits in politically active areas during the Reign of Trump. I waited an hour to vote for Hillary Clinton in Cook County. My daughter waited three hours to EARLY vote in the 2018 midterm in Los Angeles County.)
Me? Early voting in case these yahoos “lose” or challenge my vote.
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Post by workingclassdog on Aug 18, 2020 13:11:07 GMT
I don't get it either.. Our state has mail voting as long as I can remember. I have never heard of any problems (maybe a few minor county to county problems) but overall it works very well in our state. (Colorado)
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Post by compeateropeator on Aug 18, 2020 13:12:39 GMT
Good luck finding enough volunteers to staff polling stations so people are not standing in line for hours. The majority of our polls are staffed by retired or older people. IMO, Not really a responsible activity to have your seniors at.
Many people are not shopping these days. They are using curbside, personal shoppers, etc. They have options. Why should we not be able to use all viable options, especially during a pandemic?
My obsession is that mailing in/absentee Voting is not more fraud riddle than in person and it is much safer for most people, especially those health issues, and should be an option.
We are a rural and elderly state, it helps a lot of our population. We could do early/absentee voting prior to this year, why shouldn’t we be able to now? We just had our primary on aug 11th. We did have polling places and mail in options. Some towns did some drive through polling places. However the big win of the day was from the absentee ballots, more ballots were requested than people voted in the last primary (I think). Most towns typically have a 20 to 25 % voter turn out and it was 30 - 40% in most towns and some had 50%.
The question should not be why the obsession to vote by mail but instead why the obsession from the President on not giving people the option of voting by mail?
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Post by christine58 on Aug 18, 2020 13:25:28 GMT
I’m going to make a prediction right now, this upcoming election is going to be filled with fraud, allegations of fraud, and we are not going to know probably until January or February who actually won.
As far as mail in ballots, Trump is the only one who’s obsessed with it at this point. I plan on voting in person early and I think that the option for mailing or absentee ballots absolutely needs to be offered to whoever needs one. We know that there are elderly who can’t get to the voting booths. We also know that most of the people at the polling sites are elderly and our local board of elections has done nothing to recruit new people.
This whole thing is gonna be a cluster you know what, election day.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 18, 2020 13:34:09 GMT
Not only all of what has been already mentioned, but consider the polling place itself. Where I live, the place where I am listed to go to vote is this tiny building with a huge bottleneck at the entrance. Maybe, MAYBE once the tables are set up for the election judges, there is room for 15 non socially distanced people to wait in line inside. In early November it’s COLD where I live, and people will pack into that bottle necked entryway to get out of the cold. The lines in the past haven’t been horrifically long, but with only 6-8 voting booth stations inside (pre-Covid, packed together in a tiny space) it still takes a while to get through the line when there are 150 people all lined up to do so at the same time.
Thankfully we also have early voting and absentee/mail in voting that we don’t need some special reason to be able to do. Early voting happens at the government center which is also in a fairly small space that wouldn’t allow for much social distancing, but at least you could go, see how the lines look and decide to stay and vote that day or come back on any different day up until the election.
DH and I have already requested mail in ballots for the general election. Our mail has been running VERY slow, so we shall see if we get them in time. If my mail in ballot doesn’t come, I would crawl through broken glass that IS ON FIRE to cast my ballot this year. Not voting simply is not an option.
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 18, 2020 13:36:08 GMT
We’ve been doing only vote-by-mail here in Washington for quite some time. It’s super easy and avoids the problem that your polling place has a two-hour line and you have to go to work.
Republicans have been closing polling places in districts they think will vote democratic and creating four-hour lines to vote. Google “Georgia governor’s election 2018 lines” and you’ll probably pull up a lot of articles documenting this, eg. Even without COVID, mail voting makes it more difficult to engage in vote-suppressing chicanery.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 18, 2020 13:36:59 GMT
Until now people in the U.S. have mainly voted in person, right? Why is there this big issue about mail in voting this year? If it’s covid, We go to the grocery store but can’t go vote? I honestly don’t get it. By the way if people don’t want to walk inside to vote, put a ballot box outside. I feel sure I must be missing something, so enlighten me please. Because of the virus, polling stations have closed and volunteers for polling places are just not signing up to do the polling work. It’s not as simple as you would think just to put a polling box in place, a great idea, but in my state, our republican Secretary of State has “ruled” that he will only allow one polling box per county, sitting outside of the county board of elections. So in the case of polling locations—one example in Kentucky—they closed all but one polling location, thus requiring anyone wanting to vote to travel for hours, then stand in line for hours upon hours to vote is ridiculous. I read that over 690,00 people were expected to have to vote at some time during the open polling hours, which is near impossible to do. What is absolutely obsessive and ridiculous is this administratons attacks on democracy, their outright lies about mail in voting, gaslighting about fraud. It is our right and privilege to vote, yet for the first time in modern history we have a potus doing everything he can to suppress the vote, lying that it has rampant fraud (it doesn’t) and attacking the post office and any means that people work out to get their votes in.
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Post by compeateropeator on Aug 18, 2020 13:40:22 GMT
😄 In my previous too long post I forgot to mention...
I have already requested my absentee/mail in ballot for November and I will not be going to the polls. I will, however, drop my ballot off in the ballot box outside of my town clerks office instead of mailing it. I did mail in my primary ballot though. This was the 1st time since I could vote that I have not gone to the polling place. It was actually easier because my polling place is much further from my house than my town offices.
On a side note, the 1st installment of our property taxes are due in a few weeks and they are asking people to pay by mail, online, or drop it in the drop box to help keep their staff safe. They are grudgingly having the lobby open for limit access for two days for taxes but are STRONGLY suggesting/asking people to not pay in person. Why would they not want the same thing for voting?
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Post by casii on Aug 18, 2020 13:40:38 GMT
The only one obsessed is Trump. Maybe his sycophantic followers as well.
In my state, for the primaries, for the first time to my knowledge, we were all issued mail in ballots and things went well. Why they didn't decide to continue it for the November elections, I don't know, but you can request a mail in ballot to be dropped off at a ballot box or mail, assuming we still have a post office. Most of our usual voting places will not be open, but they have decided to open our high schools as voting locations. Still, a HUGE loss of voting access. I anticipate lines will be long and volunteers will be few.
DH and I have volunteered to be election judges. We don't want seniors to feel obligated to work all day amidst a pandemic. We'll be taking the day off, masking up and doing our part. I already feel a low level of dread at the prolonged exposure to large amounts of people, but Trump and the entire GOP need to feel the stinging rebuke of a hurting nation who want dignity restored to the White House.
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Post by littlemama on Aug 18, 2020 13:49:03 GMT
In 2012, I waited 2.5 hours to vote. I was very late to work, but I have an understanding employer. With the recent voter suppression activities of the gop, this is going to be worse than ever this year. Not everyone can give up even a few hours pay to go vote. Not everyone can get transportation to go vote. Not everyone can access childcare to go vote.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 18, 2020 14:02:30 GMT
I don’t get it either.
All this talk of lines on Election Day - isn’t there a two week early voting period? People could go then and the line would be spread out over two weeks.
Look at what people in other countries have to do to vote. Americans are just lazy, whiny babies.
I live in a state where there isn’t widespread mail in voting. You have to meet specific criteria to vote by mail, so I have never known anyone who has done it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 14:03:30 GMT
It’s not hard to understand, really.
1. Our nation has alway had both in-person (at precincts and county election offices) and mail-in voting (absentee). The trend for a decade at least has been in-person early voting and mail-in, or what is also called absentee. You had multiple reasons to request a mail-in ballot - work hours, out of town, poll worker etc). It’s not hard at all.
2. Presidential election years (and the primaries) bring out many more voters who normally don’t vote mid-term or even state/county elections. Polls in most states are open 6am - 7pm or something similar. The pre- and post-business hours can be heavily attended. I’ve many times been in line at 6am and it takes at least an hour to get to the voting booth. We hope this trend is extraordinarily high this year in order to Get Out The Vote(rs)!
3. The US numbers for the pandemic are the highest in the world. As things close in for the colder weather we will be packed together inside to vote. And while usually that’s not a bad thing, this year many are hoping that being smart - wearing a mask, social distancing, staying home if you are high risk - will help to keep us healthy until a viable vaccine is universally available.
4. Many US voters don’t want to deal with the anti-maskers, the haters, the spit-in-your-face crowd. I’m a poll worker. I’m nervous of the ones who will INSIST they be allowed to vote WITHOUT A MASK and throw a scene. I’m working mail-in this year, as are some of the people I’ve worked the polls with for years. We just got another plea from the election chief for more precinct workers. My hope is the 20-30-40-50 year olds will fill step up to fill the need.
It’s not hard to understand. Unless you are Trump and lying and trying to distract and interfere in the election by any criminal means necessary.
Just my humble opinion. 😊
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Post by jeremysgirl on Aug 18, 2020 14:04:18 GMT
isn’t there a two week early voting period? People could go then and the line would be spread out over two weeks. There isn't any early voting in Michigan.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 14:06:51 GMT
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Post by myshelly on Aug 18, 2020 14:07:06 GMT
It’s not hard to understand, really. 1. Our nation has alway had both in-person (at precincts and county election offices) and mail-in voting (absentee). The trend for a decade at least has been in-person early voting and mail-in, or what is also called absentee. You had multiple reasons to request a mail-in ballot - work hours, out of town, poll worker etc). It’s not hard at all. 2. Presidential election years (and the primaries) bring out many more voters who normally don’t vote mid-term or even state/county elections. Polls in most states are open 6am - 7pm or something similar. The pre- and post-business hours can be heavily attended. I’ve many times been in line at 6am and it takes at least an hour to get to the voting booth. We hope this trend is extraordinarily high this year in order to Get Out The Vote(rs)! 3. The US numbers for the pandemic are the highest in the world. As things close in for the colder weather we will be packed together inside to vote. And while usually that’s not a bad thing, this year many are hoping that being smart - wearing a mask, social distancing, staying home if you are high risk - will help to keep us healthy until a viable vaccine is universally available. 4. Many US voters don’t want to deal with the anti-maskers, the haters, the spit-in-your-face crowd. I’m a poll worker. I’m nervous of the ones who will INSIST they be allowed to vote WITHOUT A MASK and throw a scene. I’m working mail-in this year, as are some of the people I’ve worked the polls with for years. We just got another plea from the election chief for more precinct workers. My hope is the 20-30-40-50 year olds will fill step up to fill the need. It’s not hard to understand. Unless you are Trump and lying and trying to distract and interfere in the election by any criminal means necessary. Just my humble opinion. 😊 I disagree with your first point. My state has never had widespread mail in voting, so it’s not accurate to say the nation has always had it. Here, you have to meet specific, narrow criteria to qualify to vote by mail and most people don’t, so the idea that voting by mail is a big deal and people are upset about it is baffling to me. I would never trust the post office with my vote.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 18, 2020 14:09:11 GMT
Georgia has 18 days of early voting. None of those people could plan ahead enough to vote early? But you think they would have planned ahead enough to vote by mail?
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Post by Sarah*H on Aug 18, 2020 14:11:51 GMT
I don’t get it either. All this talk of lines on Election Day - isn’t there a two week early voting period? People could go then and the line would be spread out over two weeks. Look at what people in other countries have to do to vote. Americans are just lazy, whiny babies. I live in a state where there isn’t widespread mail in voting. You have to meet specific criteria to vote by mail, so I have never known anyone who has done it. You're a smart person. Surely you realize that each state runs election differently? Have you completely ignored the news coverage in the last few election cycles of people waiting for hours and hours and hours in long lines that are very real because partisan officials eliminated polling places and got rid of voting machines in minority districts? And no, there is no early voting period in my state at all.
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Post by georgiapea on Aug 18, 2020 14:12:03 GMT
I was voting by mail 20 years ago. It's easy and practical.
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