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Post by paigepea on Sept 21, 2020 15:27:23 GMT
My dd is interested in going on pointe this year. She has been in ballet exams for many years and has refrained from trying pointe even though she has taken all of the pre pointe classes. It was just a family decision to keep her off because of the possible foot damage. This year she has asked to join the pointe class as she can not take the ballet exam without it - so in effect she will plateau in ballet at her studio without trying pointe. The pointe class is 1 hr / week split into 2 half hour classes. I am ok with her trying it. Dh is upset and doesn’t want her to damage her feet. She is 14. She completed Gr 6 ISTD ballet and the next level (called something else I forget but not a grade) requires the pointe.
Does anyone have experience themselves or with their children on pointe? Did it damage your feet? I feel like she won’t do choreography and it won’t be every day. It will really be 20 min twice a week. And I think they can’t go on the pointe shoes for a few months until this teacher assesses them. Of course I don’t want her to damage her feet but I’m willing to let her try.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 15:30:59 GMT
If she wants to go to pointe, that is her choice. I don't feel it should be up to the parents. If she loves to dance and needs pointe to keep moving on, then let her. 🤷♀️
Lots of sports cause damage. It is what it is when you get higher up. Not fair for a parent to block a child's wish.
And unless she goes pro, her feet won't be ruined. A neice dances (went to pointe at age 10) and her feet aren't ruined. She isn't on pointe hours a day
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Post by redshoes on Sept 21, 2020 15:31:58 GMT
Perhaps part of the next stage of learning is how best to condition and take care of their feet/ankles to minimize damage while doing pointe. May be something to ask.
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Post by epeanymous on Sept 21, 2020 15:58:15 GMT
I studied ballet and took pointe classes for about seven years. I am now 48 and have never had any physical issues related to ballet training, including pointe (I did quit ballet when I left for college).
I have one lasting dance injury (hamstring), but that was from a foray into jazz.
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Post by Basket1lady on Sept 21, 2020 16:06:37 GMT
Is it a professional studio or a neighborhood dance center? Do you trust the teacher? Is the class in person?
30 minutes twice a week is pretty conservative and IMO, appropriate for a beginner. My DD’s feet stopped growing at about 14, so chances are good that your DD’s feet are “mature”. I would not do it if the class is virtual and done from home because I feel that it would be difficult to learn the proper techniques without the teacher closely monitoring the student.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 21, 2020 16:28:57 GMT
My daughter was a serious ballet dancer in a preprofessional school during high school. I absolutely agree with the previous posters that the most important aspect is trusting the studio. Do they evaluate every student to see if THEY are ready for pointe - it more than age and if the bones are fully developed - although that's certainly important. Foot and ankle strength and flexibility are critical to safely dance on pointe. Then making sure you have access to a GOOD shoe fitter is the next most important aspect.
An hour a week is pretty typical for a beginner. By senior year, my daughter was dancing many hours a week on pointe - especially with shows. She was never injured and she does not have any damage to her feet from dancing. She plans to continue dancing in college but with covid it's many, many hours less right now than high school.
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Post by zella on Sept 21, 2020 16:46:23 GMT
Depends what you mean by damage. All pointe dancers have things like bleeding of their toes, losing toenails, and ugly feet. This is the price you pay. But I doubt many of them would consider that damage. I'm puzzled that your husband is so concerned about your daughter's feet. The chance that she'll get an actual injury like a fracture is no more likely than if she played soccer or did gymnastics. I do think your daughter should be able to make this choice.If she doesn't go on pointe now she'll be left behind as her peers continue to progress.
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Post by paigepea on Sept 21, 2020 17:04:55 GMT
Is it a professional studio or a neighborhood dance center? Do you trust the teacher? Is the class in person? 30 minutes twice a week is pretty conservative and IMO, appropriate for a beginner. My DD’s feet stopped growing at about 14, so chances are good that your DD’s feet are “mature”. I would not do it if the class is virtual and done from home because I feel that it would be difficult to learn the proper techniques without the teacher closely monitoring the student. Thx. Yes it’s a professional studio that I trust. We’ve been there 10 years. The issue is that Dh is a pedi and sees what happens when it all goes wrong. He doesn’t let our kids do a few things like for example tramp parks which he says are mini triage stations that stock crutches. I get it but she really wants to try this and it’s not a huge amount of her training. 1 hr out of 10 hrs per week. I just wanted to ask here to make sure I wasn’t way off base.
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Post by paigepea on Sept 21, 2020 17:07:13 GMT
My daughter was a serious ballet dancer in a preprofessional school during high school. I absolutely agree with the previous posters that the most important aspect is trusting the studio. Do they evaluate every student to see if THEY are ready for pointe - it more than age and if the bones are fully developed - although that's certainly important. Foot and ankle strength and flexibility are critical to safely dance on pointe. Then making sure you have access to a GOOD shoe fitter is the next most important aspect. An hour a week is pretty typical for a beginner. By senior year, my daughter was dancing many hours a week on pointe - especially with shows. She was never injured and she does not have any damage to her feet from dancing. She plans to continue dancing in college but with covid it's many, many hours less right now than high school. Do you feel, like zella commented, that your daughter has ugly feet and has lost toe nails? Just curious from your experience.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Sept 21, 2020 17:26:16 GMT
My daughter was a serious ballet dancer in a preprofessional school during high school. I absolutely agree with the previous posters that the most important aspect is trusting the studio. Do they evaluate every student to see if THEY are ready for pointe - it more than age and if the bones are fully developed - although that's certainly important. Foot and ankle strength and flexibility are critical to safely dance on pointe. Then making sure you have access to a GOOD shoe fitter is the next most important aspect. An hour a week is pretty typical for a beginner. By senior year, my daughter was dancing many hours a week on pointe - especially with shows. She was never injured and she does not have any damage to her feet from dancing. She plans to continue dancing in college but with covid it's many, many hours less right now than high school. Do you feel, like zella commented, that your daughter has ugly feet and has lost toe nails? Just curious from your experience. So yes - my daughter has lost toe nails. It's not uncommon - and like many things depends a lot on the shape of the foot. My daughter's first toe is unfortunately significantly longer and she has a weirdly shaped "knuckle" for want for a better word next to her pinky toe - so finding the right fit so that it was tight enough to distribute the weight off her big toe, but not so tight as to hurt that projection - took some time and she lost her big toe nail a few times in the interim. After finding the right shoe, I don't think she actually lost the toenail again. During the height of Nutcracker, she'd have 6 hours of rehearsal on a Saturday and 4 on Sunday - all on pointe. That's in addition to probably 4-5 hours during the week. Yeah her feet didn't look all that pretty during that time. But right now her feet are fine and you wouldn't look at them and think they're any different than anyone else's. Luckily shoe technology has come along way. My MIL danced back in the day and there just weren't enough shoes for shapes of feet and you made do - so those were the years of severe bunions and other issues. I think I have an old pic of her feet - you can see that while they're not pretty - it's surface problems. Sort of like my hands when I used to do gymnastics and had ripped callouses. ETA pics hopefully - they're not best quality, but you can see she has a blister, her nail is there, but bruised and in general her foot looks sad. The second pics was this summer - keep in mind COVID kept her out of the studio completely for a few months and then limited pointe to maybe 20 minutes a week. ahh hell - can't upload sorry.
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Post by Basket1lady on Sept 21, 2020 17:59:30 GMT
My daughter was a serious ballet dancer in a preprofessional school during high school. I absolutely agree with the previous posters that the most important aspect is trusting the studio. Do they evaluate every student to see if THEY are ready for pointe - it more than age and if the bones are fully developed - although that's certainly important. Foot and ankle strength and flexibility are critical to safely dance on pointe. Then making sure you have access to a GOOD shoe fitter is the next most important aspect. An hour a week is pretty typical for a beginner. By senior year, my daughter was dancing many hours a week on pointe - especially with shows. She was never injured and she does not have any damage to her feet from dancing. She plans to continue dancing in college but with covid it's many, many hours less right now than high school. Do you feel, like zella commented, that your daughter has ugly feet and has lost toe nails? Just curious from your experience. I’ve lost toe nails running. It’s usually not that big of a deal. I always have a skin of a nail left behind and just paint it to match the other nails. I guess if someone was really looking at my feet in sandals, you could tell at the time. But you wouldn’t notice it at a quick glance. And my feet are fine now.
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Post by monklady123 on Sept 21, 2020 18:32:24 GMT
If the studio is going to evaluate the girls beforehand then I’d say go for it. Your dd should not be the one deciding. The director of my dd’s dance studio took the pre-pointe class to the dance store herself. (And of course they were in the pre-pointe class in the first place at her invitation.) she was very strict about when a girl could get that first pair of pointe shoes. So if you trust your studio like that then it will be fine.
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Post by scrapmaven on Sept 21, 2020 19:03:43 GMT
My ballet teacher had been a soloist w/the Royal Ballet and was a very strict teacher. After 10 years studying w/her she would not allow me to go on pointe. My ankles and feet weren't ready. She never let young children on pointe, either. I would rather wait until the teacher thinks it's appropriate than risk future injury.
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Post by kelly8875 on Sept 21, 2020 19:06:29 GMT
My DD started pointe at age 9. And that is very early. But she had strong big feet, and was evaluated and watched by several ballet instructors. They had personalized fittings EVERY time they needed a new shoe. She never had foot problems due to being in the program.
Many sports can cause injuries. The worst injury she had in dance was doing a simple move, and just landed wrong and sprained her ankle.
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Post by beepdave on Sept 21, 2020 19:21:57 GMT
My sister danced six days a week for 20 years and has ugly feet. LOL
If the teacher invites her to begin en pointe, then I would let her.
Hopefully they work directly with the students to find the correct fitting shoe as that will be most important.
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Post by bearmom on Sept 21, 2020 20:08:37 GMT
Two pointe dancers here. The right shoe is huge, going to a good store and get the right fit. DD’s studio schedules a day with a fitter she really likes and trusts. Between the dance store fitter and the teacher they really work to make sure the shoes is correct. Some students take a looooong time to get fitted.
Older dd had one style of shoe she that she used for 6 years, she would go in once a year for fitting.
Younger dd, went through a few different brands and styles as her feet, ankles got stronger and none were perfect for her. Her last year Capezio came out her shoe, it was perfect for her.
Neither dd lost a toe nail and only got a few blisters. Older dd did have one for an entire dance season on her little toe, but she was lazy and wouldn’t tape it.
Neither of the have ugly feet now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 20:27:46 GMT
I would listen to the advice of her teacher rather than you make the decision for your daughter to go on pointe. As an ISTD registered teacher she's trained to know whether your DD's calves, ankles and feet are developed and are strong enough. Age or how long someone has been dancing has little bearing on how strong you are or whether your bones have ossified. Bones pre-puberty are very soft and this is where the permanent damage can be caused when you put young girls of 10/11 years on pointe or sometimes younger from Asian countries especially Japan. Teacher who do are irresponsible IMO. In addition to the strength of your bones and muscle you also need good technique, core strength and the correct alinement of your body. All of them go together to reduce the risk of injury.
I'm guessing that the next class up, you are referring to, is the Intermediate Foundation level. There is relatively little pointe work covered in the syllabus for that level so my guess is that if the teacher is happy for her to move up to that level, I would let her especially as she has already done pre pointe classes in preparation.
I would strongly recommend you make sure that she has well fitting shoes and they are fitted by an experience fitter that has a number of different manufacturers for her to try. Pointe shoes should fit so that the toes are just resting on the bottom of the block and the foot is supported by a well fitting vamp/wings. Her foot shouldn't be slipping down the shoe when she goes up on pointe. DD went on pointe at 12.5 but she was and still is a very strong dancer and has never lost any toe nails or had any injuries. She took her intermediate foundation at 13.5 and is now Advanced 1 level but she follows the RAD syllabus. ISTD is very similar.
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Post by rahnee on Sept 21, 2020 20:43:09 GMT
Both my teens dance en pointe. One is 18 and has been since she was 12. She was a year behind the rest of the class due to strength. The other is 15 and has been since she was 11. At this stage I wouldn't say there have been any issues at all. No missing toenails no bleeding, no injuries. And I wouldn't say their feet were any different. We've made a big effort to find the right shoes. What suits one, does not suit the other. My eldest dd prefers a Bloch shoe, whereas the younger likes a particular Energetiks shoe. Things can happen in any sport or daily activity. I lost my big toenail hitting my toe on the side of my bed. If the teacher thinks she is ready, which it sounds like she does, I feel that she should be able to make the choice herself. Part of raising a child is to teach them to make good decisions for themselves. And this is not the worst decision she could be making.
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Post by caangel on Sept 21, 2020 21:54:20 GMT
You've received a lot of good info. I'd definitely follow the lead of her teacher. I danced en pointe for several years as a young teen through HS. I also started dancing again as an adult about 7yrs ago, including en pointe as I regained my strength. (I'm in my early 40s now.) A couple of years ago I did a solo en pointe, in addition to or there dances en pointe for our recitals. The only time I have lost a toe nail is when I have had badly fitting shoes. Otherwise I will occasionally get blisters, and definitely callouses, but nothing crazy and no on going issues. The biggest regret I hear from adult (non professional) dancers that trained as kids is never have putting in the time to get to pointe when they were young.
I love pointe work! But it is hard and requires a lot and constant work. I have not been able to dance much since March (was dancing 6-10hrs a week before then) and know it will take me some time to get back to pointe.
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Post by azelizabeth on Sept 21, 2020 23:47:28 GMT
I think if the teacher and your daughter feel ready, she should try it. Try and look beyond the potential injuries and see the many gifts ballet may bring. My daughter danced 6 days per week at a pre-professional program. She decided to not dance professionally. She tells me all the time “thank god for ballet it taught me great time management skills”. She also teaches barre classes at the university health center, so it is her college job. Looking back, she gained so much from dance that has carried her into a very successful college student.
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Post by MerryMom on Sept 22, 2020 1:55:31 GMT
I do agree with your husband about trampolines.
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 22, 2020 2:06:04 GMT
I started dancing at 3. Went on pointe at 12. My teacher (Ex Rockettes dancer) would not allow us on pointe until we were 12 and had multiple years of experience, I did 90 minutes a week (one class) of pointe, 60 min a week of tap, 60 min a week of jazz. I quit dancing when I was 18 becuase it got to be too expensive and my parents were no longer paying. I am now 46 and have no damage to my feet.
eta... I’m a middle school science teacher and I put my pointe shoes on once a year still to show my kids the difference between pressure on a small area and a large area. I wear snowshoes to show the large area. My kids are always in awe that I can wear pointe shoes. Lol
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Post by SallyPA on Sept 22, 2020 2:20:20 GMT
Two teen ballerinas here. One is actually rehearsing Nutcracker snow and flowers as I type. Absolutely zero foot issues. If we recall correctly, they went en pointe about 12-13 yo and the first half of a year was 15 mins twice per week and working up slowly. There were no recital pieces en pointe for at least 1 year.
My girls have had zero foot, ankle, or toe problems as a result of pointe. They have had rolled ankles and falls but that is part of dance. Their studio owner has a physiology degree and is very cautious and careful to correct mistakes before they cause issues.
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Post by paigepea on Sept 22, 2020 3:19:07 GMT
Thank you to everyone for the btdt advice.
My dd will try the pointe. She was asked to go on pointe when she was 12/13 and we are just getting there now. She said the teacher won’t allow them pointe shoes until she watches them a few times just to make sure and then she goes to the store for the fitting.
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