lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 1, 2020 22:02:57 GMT
Pathetic.
My county population is a little over 5 million and we have 53 ballot drop-off locations.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 1, 2020 22:08:47 GMT
Holy crap. What is wrong with people?!
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Post by librarylady on Oct 1, 2020 22:10:02 GMT
myshelly said: It has not been fine up until now--that is why there was voting rights legislature passed in the 60s. That idea of suppression has been litigated many times in many ways, in many states.
My thought: If a party/group/club has a really great idea/candidate, why is that party/club/group threatened by people voting for the idea/candidate? Why is the thought of "everybody gets to vote on this" so threatening?
If the idea/candidate is rejected--must not be so hot an idea/candidate with everyone else.
I keep thinking of Lindsay Graham saying "They donated money to the opponent because they hate my guts."---If I thought everyone hated my guts, then I would also think, "I need to change my ways."
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Post by tracyarts on Oct 1, 2020 22:12:27 GMT
Oh but it gets better.
They're now allowing poll watchers at the locations where voters drop off absentee ballots.
That means more people crowding in and around the county election offices "watching" what happens.
They've already taken away locations so the remaining ones will be more crowded than ever with voters trying to get in and out, and then also there will be these newly invited poll watchers milling around.
Texas isn't enforcing mask wearing, social distancing, and enhanced crowd size limits at voting locations.
Now, all voters wishing to hand deliver absentee ballots have to go to one heavily used location in the county. Some counties will have impossibly crowded locations.
With extra people standing around "watching". Not required to wear masks or maintain social distance.
Who votes absentee in Texas? Well, other than those who won't be home, the elderly and disabled. So those at increased risk for Covid-19 complications.
This means that our most vulnerable voters will have to drop off their absentee ballots in person at a crowded high risk of exposure location or take their chances with the unreliable postal service.
Fuck you Greg Abbott.
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Post by kernriver on Oct 1, 2020 22:15:58 GMT
I found this on twitter.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 1, 2020 22:23:59 GMT
Pathetic. My county population is a little over 5 million and we have 53 ballot drop-off locations. Get back, Loretta. I just went to our county website, intending to post the total here and counted 52. Somebody needs to alert the [insert vigilantes of your choice] post haste to get to the bottom of this.
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lindas
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Post by lindas on Oct 1, 2020 22:26:53 GMT
Well, that's nice for you. But what about those that can't? My neighbors are in their 80s. The husband has CHF and neither one is able to drive. They have a daughter that checks in on them daily, but during a pandemic is not the time for them to be out voting. What about people who are working during the hours the polls are open. Of course, employers are supposed to give time off for voting, but I guarantee you not all employers are being so accommodating. And the employee isn't likely to turn in their employer for fear of being fired. It must be nice to be so privileged that the squabbling over mail in ballots is a trivial matter to you. Somehow it’s been fine up until now. With the days and hours of early voting, anyone who can’t find a time to go vote just doesn’t care enough to make it a priority. I don’t get it either. You request a ballot it’s mailed to you. Fill it out, stick it in your mailbox, put up the flag and you’re done. Why is it necessary to drive somewhere to drop it off. Now before you all get up in arms about postage, the post office will deliver ballots even if they don’t have postage. link
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Post by supersoda on Oct 1, 2020 22:27:49 GMT
Well, that's nice for you. But what about those that can't? My neighbors are in their 80s. The husband has CHF and neither one is able to drive. They have a daughter that checks in on them daily, but during a pandemic is not the time for them to be out voting. What about people who are working during the hours the polls are open. Of course, employers are supposed to give time off for voting, but I guarantee you not all employers are being so accommodating. And the employee isn't likely to turn in their employer for fear of being fired. It must be nice to be so privileged that the squabbling over mail in ballots is a trivial matter to you. Somehow it’s been fine up until now. With the days and hours of early voting, anyone who can’t find a time to go vote just doesn’t care enough to make it a priority. Are you kidding? Have you ever had a real job--you've made clear that your daddy pays your bills for you. Not everyone has transportation--and Texas is notorious for shitty public transportation--so they have to rely on someone else's availability to be able to vote. And the crappier the job the less likely a worker is going to have the flexibility to take the time needed to vote. For many, keeping a job and putting food on their table is their priority. Not to mention those crappy job holders are likely less educated about their voting options. I've had plenty of jobs that don't fit during the typical voting timetables. And the hours for early voting are not the same as election day voting. Your uninformed, blanket statements are obnoxious and inane. Based on your posts, we live in the same general area and most of what you say simply isn't true. I have stood in plenty of lines to vote--both for early voting and on election day. I have stood in long lines for local bond elections without any major races. It's luck-of-the-draw whether you're in-and-out or it takes hours. But the unluckiest have to schedule around their working hours and don't have the luxury coordinating the lowest-traffic time. I really try not to engage with you and try to give you the benefit of the doubt that you come from a culture that does not understand tact or that you have some kind of processing disorder. Even if that's the case, you really need to look in a mirror and evaluate some of your comments.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 1, 2020 22:29:08 GMT
Another question...how many drop boxes were there in 2016 compared to what there have been this year (until now)?
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 1, 2020 22:34:29 GMT
Somehow it’s been fine up until now. With the days and hours of early voting, anyone who can’t find a time to go vote just doesn’t care enough to make it a priority. I don’t get it either. You request a ballot it’s mailed to you. Fill it out, stick it in your mailbox, put up the flag and you’re done. Why is it necessary to drive somewhere to drop it off. Now before you all get up in arms about postage, the post office will deliver ballots even if they don’t have postage. linkThe USPS is having some delivery issues at the moment. A regular envelope to my daughter took 3.5 weeks to arrive. In a normal year I don't rely on the post office to deliver my ballot - I certainly wouldn't this year. I'm glad that my county has them sprinkled out all over - one actually at a brewery - I think I'm going to use that one next week and have lunch and a beverage, or maybe I'll be good and use the one at the YMCA instead and get some exercise - or the one at the library....
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Post by Merge on Oct 1, 2020 22:38:22 GMT
Another question...how many drop boxes were there in 2016 compared to what there have been this year (until now)? I have no idea. Prior to this, no one was concerned about whether or not the USPS could get their ballot there on time. That’s why drop-off places were expanded.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 1, 2020 22:38:29 GMT
Somehow it’s been fine up until now. With the days and hours of early voting, anyone who can’t find a time to go vote just doesn’t care enough to make it a priority. Are you kidding? Have you ever had a real job--you've made clear that your daddy pays your bills for you. Not everyone has transportation--and Texas is notorious for shitty public transportation--so they have to rely on someone else's availability to be able to vote. And the crappier the job the less likely a worker is going to have the flexibility to take the time needed to vote. For many, keeping a job and putting food on their table is their priority. Not to mention those crappy job holders are likely less educated about their voting options. I've had plenty of jobs that don't fit during the typical voting timetables. And the hours for early voting are not the same as election day voting. Your uninformed, blanket statements are obnoxious and inane. Based on your posts, we live in the same general area and most of what you say simply isn't true. I have stood in plenty of lines to vote--both for early voting and on election day. I have stood in long lines for local bond elections without any major races. It's luck-of-the-draw whether you're in-and-out or it takes hours. But the unluckiest have to schedule around their working hours and don't have the luxury coordinating the lowest-traffic time. I really try not to engage with you and try to give you the benefit of the doubt that you come from a culture that does not understand tact or that you have some kind of processing disorder. Even if that's the case, you really need to look in a mirror and evaluate some of your comments. Part of what I don’t understand in this thread is all the comments about crappy jobs, etc. People don’t qualify to vote by mail in Texas just because they have a crappy job, so what does this discussion even have to do with them? They aren’t affected by closing ballot drop offs because they didn’t qualify to vote by mail in the first place. I don’t understand the attitude that no one should have to make any effort to vote. Yea, sometimes you have to stand in line, sometimes you have to go out of your way, sometimes it’s hard. So what? People should care about it enough to put forth a little effort to do it.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 1, 2020 22:38:54 GMT
Somehow it’s been fine up until now. With the days and hours of early voting, anyone who can’t find a time to go vote just doesn’t care enough to make it a priority. I don’t get it either. You request a ballot it’s mailed to you. Fill it out, stick it in your mailbox, put up the flag and you’re done. Why is it necessary to drive somewhere to drop it off. Now before you all get up in arms about postage, the post office will deliver ballots even if they don’t have postage. linkPeople are concerned about the reliability of the post office at the moment, due to Trump’s new hand-picked Postmaster General who has given orders to slow down postal sorting and delivery, and will not commit to getting ballots delivered on time. Were you not aware of this situation? It’s been all over the news, and discussed extensively here at 2peas.
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Post by withapea on Oct 1, 2020 22:43:07 GMT
Texas does not want people to vote that’s why 15 minutes after the Voting Rights Act was weakened they went to town. It is easy for some to vote in Texas, not so much of others. It should be easy for everyone. Texas does not just let you have a mail-in ballot like many other states do. There’s really no spin, our R leadership loves low voter participation because it keeps them in power.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 1, 2020 22:43:56 GMT
Is this the side of history these governors really want to be on?
I cant think of any legit reason to make it harder during a pandemic for people to drop off their votes.
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Post by supersoda on Oct 1, 2020 22:47:44 GMT
Umm, because you said... it’s easy and fast to vote in person and all this ridiculous squabbling about mail in ballots seems like much ado about nothing to me. That's not true--we're pointing out why that's not true. Any why making it more difficult to drop off your ballot when Trump has already fucked over the postal system is problematic. So 1) Mail-in voting should be allowed for everyone; and 2) Creating difficulty for those who do qualify for mail-in voting creates the greatest impact on those who are the most disenfranchised. If you don't understand that, it's because you choose not to.
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sassyangel
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Post by sassyangel on Oct 1, 2020 22:48:21 GMT
That Jacob Wohl dude belongs in jail. How he’s not yet, is beyond me.
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Jun 28, 2014 3:48:49 GMT
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Post by PLurker on Oct 1, 2020 22:57:05 GMT
Well, that's nice for you. But what about those that can't? My neighbors are in their 80s. The husband has CHF and neither one is able to drive. They have a daughter that checks in on them daily, but during a pandemic is not the time for them to be out voting. What about people who are working during the hours the polls are open. Of course, employers are supposed to give time off for voting, but I guarantee you not all employers are being so accommodating. And the employee isn't likely to turn in their employer for fear of being fired. It must be nice to be so privileged that the squabbling over mail in ballots is a trivial matter to you. Somehow it’s been fine up until now. With the days and hours of early voting, anyone who can’t find a time to go vote just doesn’t care enough to make it a priority. Define "fine". Just because it doesn't bother you directly doesn't mean it's been "fine". Because "that's the way we've always done it" also doesn't make it "fine". A lot of things are "fine" by that standard until they're not or people finally voice their opinions and demand change. Voting shouldn't be just doable to most people, it should be easy for all eligible.
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 1, 2020 23:06:04 GMT
Pathetic. My county population is a little over 5 million and we have 53 ballot drop-off locations. Get back, Loretta. I just went to our county website, intending to post the total here and counted 52. Somebody needs to alert the [insert vigilantes of your choice] post haste to get to the bottom of this. I should have written “boxes.” The Dunne Bldng has 2. Anyhoo, Gov Abbott said, “ These enhanced security protocols will ensure greater transparency and will help stop attempts at illegal voting.” I didn’t know until this moment that voter suppression is now termed enhanced security protocols! (Legal challenge being considered.) “ Illegal voting” – sounds like guv has glommed onto the president’s fevered imaginings. With might and main.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 23:21:06 GMT
Somehow it’s been fine up until now. With the days and hours of early voting, anyone who can’t find a time to go vote just doesn’t care enough to make it a priority. I don’t get it either. You request a ballot it’s mailed to you. Fill it out, stick it in your mailbox, put up the flag and you’re done. Why is it necessary to drive somewhere to drop it off. Now before you all get up in arms about postage, the post office will deliver ballots even if they don’t have postage. linkBecause, you willfully ignorant person, some people simply do not want to mail it. What the fuck is wrong with giving people options? We have 200 options at McDonald's but as soon as there are 4 ways to vote, you bitch? JFC, voting is a right. We should be making it easier, not harder, to get everyone to vote. What works for you doesn't work for your neighbor.
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Post by snoopy on Oct 2, 2020 1:19:51 GMT
Is our country no longer a democracy??? It should NEVER, under any circumstance, be acceptable to make it harder for people to vote!!! (Especially during a pandemic)
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lizacreates
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 2, 2020 1:47:18 GMT
Is our country no longer a democracy??? It should NEVER, under any circumstance, be acceptable to make it harder for people to vote!!! (Especially during a pandemic) Our country has a very, very long history of voter suppression. All the way back to the late-1800s.
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Post by jackietex on Oct 2, 2020 2:11:46 GMT
Abbott said it was a security issue.
You must have a reason to vote by mail, and fear of COVID is not considered a valid reason.
People who live in cities like Houston often have transportation issues, and cannot necessarily walk to their polling place.
Abbott has had Republicans on his ass because they don't like that he closed bars again (home of the "Bar Lives Matter" folks), so he trying to regain favor.
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Post by Merge on Oct 2, 2020 2:20:52 GMT
Abbott said it was a security issue. You must have a reason to vote by mail, and fear of COVID is not considered a valid reason. People who live in cities like Houston often have transportation issues, and cannot necessarily walk to their polling place. Abbott has had Republicans on his ass because they don't like that he closed bars again (home of the "Bar Lives Matter" folks), so he trying to regain favor. That plus he extended early voting, so he had to do something to balance it out. The far right is mad at him, the left has always hated him ... I don’t see him making it through his next election. But then Texans also have short memories, so who knows.
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Post by yivit on Oct 2, 2020 12:15:16 GMT
We can early vote at any early voting location within our county of residence in TX, plus day-of vote (in Harris County at least) at same, so it's not the TOTAL shitshow that it was in the past.
TX has restrictions on mail-in voting which I believe have been covered before, but here they are again:
To be eligible to vote early by mail in Texas, you must: be 65 years or older; be sick or disabled; be out of the county on election day and during the period for early voting by personal appearance; or be confined in jail, but otherwise eligible.
So while it's not a shitshow for all voters regarding mail-in, it certainly is for those in the eligible groups.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Oct 2, 2020 21:20:55 GMT
Somehow it’s been fine up until now. With the days and hours of early voting, anyone who can’t find a time to go vote just doesn’t care enough to make it a priority. I don’t get it either. You request a ballot it’s mailed to you. Fill it out, stick it in your mailbox, put up the flag and you’re done. Why is it necessary to drive somewhere to drop it off. Now before you all get up in arms about postage, the post office will deliver ballots even if they don’t have postage. linkYou have been keeping up with the news in your own country, right? The new guy in charge of mail is an asshole. Mail sorting has slowed down considerably. Who wants to put their trust in it now for a ballot?@?!?
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Post by flanz on Oct 2, 2020 21:48:49 GMT
Those miserable cheating voter suppressing aholes!
My Calif. county has under half a million people and over 30 well publicized ballot drop off boxes. I believe they are emptied daily (maybe not on Sunday) and signatures are verified. We can track when our ballot was received and counted. Grateful, and pissed that not every citizen has the same opportunity to vote early and safely!!!
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Post by librarylady on Oct 10, 2020 2:48:08 GMT
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