edie3
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Post by edie3 on Oct 6, 2020 13:14:41 GMT
Is it a legal requirement they let the common people know what is going on?
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Post by mikklynn on Oct 6, 2020 13:19:35 GMT
I don't know - but, I do know they should be honest.
I think Dr. Conley has screwed up his entire career.
Do none of them have the balls to say NO! ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 13:26:00 GMT
Is it a legal requirement they let the common people know what is going on? No.
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Post by Mel on Oct 6, 2020 13:37:37 GMT
I don't think it's a legal requirement but I DO think it would be the decent thing to do! Maybe not every detail, but at least they should be honest!!
I can see where certain things would be a problem due to "national security" but...
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Post by missmiss on Oct 6, 2020 13:39:52 GMT
Is it a legal requirement they let the common people know what is going on? Under HIPPA the patient determines what is allowed and not allowed to be discussed with others. So the President (patient) can authorize the release of good information (He is doing so well!) while not authorizing the release of any negative information (lung information).
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Post by edie3 on Oct 6, 2020 13:42:12 GMT
so much damn Kool Aid!
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Post by Mel on Oct 6, 2020 13:43:50 GMT
Is it a legal requirement they let the common people know what is going on? Under HIPPA the patient determines what is allowed and not allowed to be discussed with others. So the President (patient) can authorize the release of good information (He is doing so well!) while not authorizing the release of any negative information (lung information). I hadn't thought of this... but, when he "releases" his information, and it's WRONG, and could put millions of people at risk, the doctors are still bound by HIPAA and can't come out and refute him & be honest, can they!??
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Post by Gravity on Oct 6, 2020 14:27:14 GMT
Under HIPPA the patient determines what is allowed and not allowed to be discussed with others. So the President (patient) can authorize the release of good information (He is doing so well!) while not authorizing the release of any negative information (lung information). I hadn't thought of this... but, when he "releases" his information, and it's WRONG, and could put millions of people at risk, the doctors are still bound by HIPPA and can't come out and refute him & be honest, can they!?? Physicians who are treating a patient cannot comment about the patient at all without he patient’s permission. Physicians who are not treating can comment (and have commented) about his condition. However, those not actually treating him do not have access to his medical records and may or may not be accurate.
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Post by pinklady on Oct 6, 2020 14:33:14 GMT
Is it a legal requirement they let the common people know what is going on? Under HIPPA the patient determines what is allowed and not allowed to be discussed with others. So the President (patient) can authorize the release of good information (He is doing so well!) while not authorizing the release of any negative information (lung information). It’s HIPAA
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Post by elaine on Oct 6, 2020 15:01:33 GMT
I don't know - but, I do know they should be honest. I think Dr. Conley has screwed up his entire career. Do none of them have the balls to say NO! ? Dr. Conley is a military physician (USNavy). He is employed by and paid by the DOD. The rules and consequences that a civilian doctor would follow aren’t really applicable here. Unfortunately, there will likely be no negative consequences to his career. He followed orders. As long as he stays in the Navy, he will continue to be promoted and paid well for his services. If he didn’t follow orders, THAT is what would have screwed up his career. He is young - 40 y.o. By the time he retires from the Navy, many people will have forgotten his role in this nightmare. So, while I wish that there were incentive for his doctors to act in socially and medically responsible ways, including negative consequences when they lie to the American public and allow Trump to put his staff at high risk for contracting COVID, the system is not set up that way, and it just won’t happen. Because the military and its rules and policies.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Oct 6, 2020 15:17:03 GMT
I don't know - but, I do know they should be honest. I think Dr. Conley has screwed up his entire career. Do none of them have the balls to say NO! ? Dr. Conley is a military physician (USNavy). He is employed by and paid by the DOD. The rules and consequences that a civilian doctor would follow aren’t really applicable here. Unfortunately, there will likely be no negative consequences to his career. He followed orders. ... That may be the case, BUT 'we the people pay him' it is what they all forget... But screw Capt Cozier(?) Aircraft Carrier Teddy Roosevelt tried to save lives.. Conley will be complicint in more deaths, hope he is proud. He served us and our Constitution!!
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Post by myshelly on Oct 6, 2020 15:27:51 GMT
Dr. Conley is a military physician (USNavy). He is employed by and paid by the DOD. The rules and consequences that a civilian doctor would follow aren’t really applicable here. Unfortunately, there will likely be no negative consequences to his career. He followed orders. ... That may be the case, BUT 'we the people pay him' it is what they all forget... But screw Capt Cozier(?) Aircraft Carrier Teddy Roosevelt tried to save lives.. Conley will be complicint in more deaths, hope he is proud. He served us and our Constitution!! What exactly do people think the dr could have done? You can’t force someone to stay in the hospital.
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Post by miyooper2b on Oct 6, 2020 15:35:11 GMT
I was just reading something about this. Each administration decides how much information to release to the public. For instance when Reagan was shot they released a picture of him with Nancy that made it look like he was doing well. Later it was discovered that the photo had been doctored. Reagan almost died but that was not known for a long time. IIRC Eisenhower was very open when he had a heart attack and released all sorts of information when that happened. The Trump administration was rated about the same level as the Reagan administration.
I read this somewhere recently but cannot find the article now.
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Post by elaine on Oct 6, 2020 15:53:42 GMT
Dr. Conley is a military physician (USNavy). He is employed by and paid by the DOD. The rules and consequences that a civilian doctor would follow aren’t really applicable here. Unfortunately, there will likely be no negative consequences to his career. He followed orders. ... That may be the case, BUT 'we the people pay him' it is what they all forget... But screw Capt Cozier(?) Aircraft Carrier Teddy Roosevelt tried to save lives.. Conley will be complicint in more deaths, hope he is proud. He served us and our Constitution!! It may not seem just/right in some cases, but that is how the military works. While in the grand scheme of things the taxpayers provide the DOD with their money, we are NOT in their chain of command. Those who serve have to follow orders, or suffer negative consequences except in very extraordinary circumstances. Crozier wasn’t relieved of command and discharged for trying to get help stop the spread of COVID by sending emails and letters, he was fired for going outside the chain of command by leaking those communications to the press. The military would not function effectively if everyone in it simply did what they wanted, when they wanted. People who enlist know the parameters when they go in. Again, it might not seem just/right from the outside, but those are the rules under which the military is run. Our best bet as civilians or military members is to vote into the White House a President who will be a good Commander in Chief, because the President influences the military in many ways - including signing off on all officer promotions (hence, Vindman retiring early because he knew Trump wouldn’t sign off approving his promotion).
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Post by missmiss on Oct 6, 2020 17:53:05 GMT
Under HIPPA the patient determines what is allowed and not allowed to be discussed with others. So the President (patient) can authorize the release of good information (He is doing so well!) while not authorizing the release of any negative information (lung information). It’s HIPAA That is what I just said with Under HIPPA and added more of an explanation. The patient under HIPPA can release and not release certain information. The patient can release positive information while keeping negative information at bay. So this can make him sound better than he is. HIPPA
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Post by Zee on Oct 6, 2020 17:56:08 GMT
That is what I just said with Under HIPPA and added more of an explanation. The patient under HIPPA can release and not release certain information. The patient can release positive information while keeping negative information at bay. So this can make him sound better than he is. HIPPA It's HIPAA
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Post by myshelly on Oct 6, 2020 17:57:15 GMT
That is what I just said with Under HIPPA and added more of an explanation. The patient under HIPPA can release and not release certain information. The patient can release positive information while keeping negative information at bay. So this can make him sound better than he is. HIPPA She’s trying to tell you you’re spelling HIPAA wrong. It’s two As, not two Ps.
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Post by missmiss on Oct 6, 2020 19:42:46 GMT
That is what I just said with Under HIPPA and added more of an explanation. The patient under HIPPA can release and not release certain information. The patient can release positive information while keeping negative information at bay. So this can make him sound better than he is. HIPPA She’s trying to tell you you’re spelling HIPAA wrong. It’s two As, not two Ps. Well she didn't do a good job explaining that at all.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 6, 2020 20:06:57 GMT
She’s trying to tell you you’re spelling HIPAA wrong. It’s two As, not two Ps. Well she didn't do a good job explaining that at all. Well everyone except you understood it.
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Post by Zee on Oct 6, 2020 20:33:58 GMT
Well she didn't do a good job explaining that at all. Well everyone except you understood it. Darn it, you should have played along
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Post by peabay on Oct 6, 2020 20:36:38 GMT
We've come a long way since LBJ showed off his gallbladder scars.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Oct 6, 2020 20:42:47 GMT
We've come a long way since LBJ showed off his gallbladder scars. I'm not familiar with the use of the acronyms of not-so-recent-ish US presidents so my brain tried to figure it out on its own and my first spontaneous guess was "Little Bush Junior".
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Post by peabay on Oct 6, 2020 20:46:34 GMT
We've come a long way since LBJ showed off his gallbladder scars. I'm not familiar with the use of the acronyms of not-so-recent-ish US presidents so my brain tried to figure it out on its own and my first spontaneous guess was "Little Bush Junior". Ha! Lyndon Baines Johnson. He proudly showed off scars from his gallbladder surgery.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 20:49:10 GMT
I don't know - but, I do know they should be honest. I think Dr. Conley has screwed up his entire career. Do none of them have the balls to say NO! ? I told DH if I’m ever taken, unconscious, to WR and Dr. Conley shows up please tell them he is NOT to be involved in my case. LOL No chance of that as we’re much closer to INOVA hospitals for emergencies. Anyway, there’s a lot of good to be had in the military health system, but, yup, rank matters first and foremost!
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Post by sleepingbooty on Oct 6, 2020 20:51:23 GMT
I'm not familiar with the use of the acronyms of not-so-recent-ish US presidents so my brain tried to figure it out on its own and my first spontaneous guess was "Little Bush Junior". Ha! Lyndon Baines Johnson. He proudly showed off scars from his gallbladder surgery. That is one mighty scar! How times have changed in terms of being a humble human despite the function. Apologies, Lyndon!
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Post by lucyg on Oct 6, 2020 22:22:55 GMT
I agree with elaine. Blame Trump for Conley (and Ronny Jackson before him). We just need a better president. But about sharing honest information with the public ... we may not have a legal right to know if Trump doesn’t want us to, but politically/morally, the right thing to do is to be upfront with the American people about the situation. We don’t need every detail, but we need an honest assessment of the president’s condition and prognosis. Especially this president, who lies about everything.
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Post by sam9 on Oct 6, 2020 23:32:30 GMT
I agree with elaine . Blame Trump for Conley (and Ronny Jackson before him). We just need a better president. But about sharing honest information with the public ... we may not have a legal right to know if Trump doesn’t want us to, but politically/morally, the right thing to do is to be upfront with the American people about the situation. We don’t need every detail, but we need an honest assessment of the president’s condition and prognosis. Especially this president, who lies about everything. After Mr. Trump, I find Dr. Conley (and the other doctors at Walter Reed) to be the most despicable person in relation to the WH Covid infections. Why doesn't he just quit his military career if he has to and come out and tell Amercans that what Mr. Trump is doing is just wrong. I have no use for Conley. He is a coward and not a real doctor. Didn't he take an oath to do no harm?
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Post by elaine on Oct 6, 2020 23:45:04 GMT
I agree with elaine . Blame Trump for Conley (and Ronny Jackson before him). We just need a better president. But about sharing honest information with the public ... we may not have a legal right to know if Trump doesn’t want us to, but politically/morally, the right thing to do is to be upfront with the American people about the situation. We don’t need every detail, but we need an honest assessment of the president’s condition and prognosis. Especially this president, who lies about everything. After Mr. Trump, I find Dr. Conley (and the other doctors at Walter Reed) to be the most despicable person in relation to the WH Covid infections. Why doesn't he just quit his military career if he has to and come out and tell Amercans that what Mr. Trump is doing is just wrong. I have no use for Conley. He is a coward and not a real doctor. Didn't he take an oath to do no harm? I hate to beat a dead horse, but it isn’t as simple as quitting when you don’t like orders. I hate Trump as much as anyone, and crave more medical transparency, but this isn’t on the military docs. When you accept a promotion as an officer in the military, you sign a contract that you WILL stay in for 3 more years. I don’t know when his last promotion was, but it is likely it has been within the past 3 years. If the Navy paid for his medical school, then he had a a 4-year commitment AFTER he finished residency. I would guess that he completed that. But I wouldn’t be surprised if he is less than 3-years post his last promotion, and legally cannot “just quit.” This is on Trump as Commander in Chief and the officers above Conley who were promoted since Trump took office.
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 6, 2020 23:50:05 GMT
After Mr. Trump, I find Dr. Conley (and the other doctors at Walter Reed) to be the most despicable person in relation to the WH Covid infections. Why doesn't he just quit his military career if he has to and come out and tell Amercans that what Mr. Trump is doing is just wrong. I have no use for Conley. He is a coward and not a real doctor. Didn't he take an oath to do no harm? I hate to beat a dead horse, but it isn’t as simple as quitting when you don’t like orders. I hate Trump as much as anyone, and crave more medical transparency, but this isn’t on the military docs. When you accept a promotion as an officer in the military, you sign a contract that you WILL stay in for 3 more years. I don’t know when his last promotion was, but it is likely it has been within the past 3 years. If the Navy paid for his medical school, then he had a a 4-year commitment AFTER he finished residency. I would guess that he completed that. But I wouldn’t be surprised if he is less than 3-years post his last promotion, and legally cannot “just quit.” This is on Trump as Commander in Chief and the officers above Conley who were promoted since Trump took office. Yes, I read earlier this week that he confided in friends and colleagues that this spring/summer he was under more stress than he'd ever been in his life. And he was a combat doctor. I don't have any idea about the character of Dr. Conley but he's active duty under orders from the Commander in Chief. I don't think resigning is an option for him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 0:16:39 GMT
After Mr. Trump, I find Dr. Conley (and the other doctors at Walter Reed) to be the most despicable person in relation to the WH Covid infections. Why doesn't he just quit his military career if he has to and come out and tell Amercans that what Mr. Trump is doing is just wrong. I have no use for Conley. He is a coward and not a real doctor. Didn't he take an oath to do no harm? I hate to beat a dead horse, but it isn’t as simple as quitting when you don’t like orders. I hate Trump as much as anyone, and crave more medical transparency, but this isn’t on the military docs. When you accept a promotion as an officer in the military, you sign a contract that you WILL stay in for 3 more years. I don’t know when his last promotion was, but it is likely it has been within the past 3 years. If the Navy paid for his medical school, then he had a a 4-year commitment AFTER he finished residency. I would guess that he completed that. But I wouldn’t be surprised if he is less than 3-years post his last promotion, and legally cannot “just quit.” This is on Trump as Commander in Chief and the officers above Conley who were promoted since Trump took office. I recently reviewed what is considered a lawful order. Here it is in a nutshell (bold mine). UCMJ = Uniformed Code of Military Justice. “In sum, an order is presumed lawful if it has a valid military purpose and is a clear, specific, narrowly drawn mandate. United States v. Moore , 58 M.J. 466 (C.A.A.F. 2003). The dictates of a person's conscience, religion, or personal philosophy cannot excuse disobedience.” www.ucmjdefense.com › resources The lawfulness of orders -
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