pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Oct 6, 2020 14:40:52 GMT
This is just unfuckingbelievable. The American people need to be outraged by this.
The WH also declined help from the CDC with contact tracing.
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Post by elaine on Oct 6, 2020 14:51:20 GMT
I posted on one of the threads yesterday the link to the statement that McEnany and the White House released stating that they won’t reveal the names and numbers of people testing positive in the White House, nor that they will help with contact tracing.
The rules do not apply to them, once again.
And Trump followers are fine with it. It is a literal equivalent of Trump shooting someone on the street, and it having no negative impact on his supporters whatsoever. The difference being that more than one person will likely die from the fallout ripples of the White House cluster.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 6, 2020 16:07:22 GMT
They won’t do it because they’ll be (rightfully so) responsible for spreading it.
This way the fuckweasel can do his rallies.
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schizo319
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Post by schizo319 on Oct 6, 2020 16:32:33 GMT
First, let me say I totally believe in the importance of contact tracing in most circumstances, but at this point everyone with a pulse knows that the white house is a big-ass cesspool of disease because it has been on every news channel, social media platform, newspaper and magazine all across the country and the whole freaking world for the past 100+ hours. I assume that everyone who has been at the white house knows that they've been there and that they've been exposed at this point.
Why do we keep wringing our hands and expecting this White House to do ANYTHING that isn't morally and ethically repugnant. They've proven over and over for the past 3.5 years that they are either incapable or unwilling to do the right thing...
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 6, 2020 16:42:41 GMT
First, let me say I totally believe in the importance of contact tracing in most circumstances, but at this point everyone with a pulse knows that the white house is a big-ass cesspool of disease because it has been on every news channel, social media platform, newspaper and magazine all across the country and the whole freaking world for the past 100+ hours. I assume that everyone who has been at the white house knows that they've been there and that they've been exposed at this point. Why do we keep wringing our hands and expecting this White House to do ANYTHING that isn't morally and ethically repugnant. They've proven over and over for the past 3.5 years that they are either incapable or unwilling to do the right thing... VOTE!!! |
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Post by elaine on Oct 6, 2020 18:28:52 GMT
First, let me say I totally believe in the importance of contact tracing in most circumstances, but at this point everyone with a pulse knows that the white house is a big-ass cesspool of disease because it has been on every news channel, social media platform, newspaper and magazine all across the country and the whole freaking world for the past 100+ hours. I assume that everyone who has been at the white house knows that they've been there and that they've been exposed at this point. Why do we keep wringing our hands and expecting this White House to do ANYTHING that isn't morally and ethically repugnant. They've proven over and over for the past 3.5 years that they are either incapable or unwilling to do the right thing... The people who were at the White House know it, but the people THOSE people came in contact with don’t necessarily know that that person was at the White House. So, let’s say Joe Staffer was at the White House. He then goes back to his apartment that he shares with 2 other guys. Those guys now have come in contact with COVID potentially. Those 2 go visit their parents and hang out with their girlfriends. All of which now may have come in contact with COVID and have no/little knowledge about Joe and where he works. Joe’s girlfriend is a teacher, she has now potentially come in contact with COVID. If she goes to work, she now has potentially infected all her co-workers and students - none of which have even heard of Joe Staffer. This is why contact tracing is SO IMPORTANT. It is relatively easy to make those first level connections of who has come in contact with patient zero. It becomes much more complex and less transparent to then trace multi-level connections of someone who came in contact with that person who was in contact with patient zero. Which is why we need to do it to slow the spread. |
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Post by schizo319 on Oct 6, 2020 19:02:46 GMT
First, let me say I totally believe in the importance of contact tracing in most circumstances, but at this point everyone with a pulse knows that the white house is a big-ass cesspool of disease because it has been on every news channel, social media platform, newspaper and magazine all across the country and the whole freaking world for the past 100+ hours. I assume that everyone who has been at the white house knows that they've been there and that they've been exposed at this point. Why do we keep wringing our hands and expecting this White House to do ANYTHING that isn't morally and ethically repugnant. They've proven over and over for the past 3.5 years that they are either incapable or unwilling to do the right thing... The people who were at the White House know it, but the people THOSE people came in contact with don’t necessarily know that that person was at the White House. So, let’s say Joe Staffer was at the White House. He then goes back to his apartment that he shares with 2 other guys. Those guys now have come in contact with COVID potentially. Those 2 go visit their parents and hang out with their girlfriends. All of which now may have come in contact with COVID and have no/little knowledge about Joe and where he works. Joe’s girlfriend is a teacher, she has now potentially come in contact with COVID. If she goes to work, she now has potentially infected all her co-workers and students - none of which have even heard of Joe Staffer. This is why contact tracing is SO IMPORTANT. It is relatively easy to make those first level connections of who has come in contact with patient zero. It becomes much more complex and less transparent to then trace multi-level connections of someone who came in contact with that person who was in contact with patient zero. Which is why we need to do it to slow the spread. I get it. In your hypothetical scenario, *Joe* would still know he'd been exposed and could/should contact the people he's come in contact with though, right? I understand that contact tracing is extremely important, I said that up front. What I don't know is what my "outrage" about the White House predictably not participating is supposed to do about it. My outrage certainly hasn't been able to do a damn thing about Amy Barrett, kids in cages, Brett Kavanaugh, Russian election interference, POCs shot by police officers, protesters gassed in the streets, the rich not paying taxes, and the plethora of other outrageous crap too numerous to list. Yeah, I can VOTE and continue to write pointless fiery letters and emails to the elected officials in my very red state, and I will continue to do those things (despite the fact that in my soul I know it is a pointless waste of time) but other than that? Who does all this outrage serve? Are we supposed to believe that if we're all "outraged" enough the White House will suddenly change their mind and start calling folks up? Last time I checked they didn't give two shits what any of us thought - they appear to revel in our outrage... |
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Post by elaine on Oct 6, 2020 19:26:40 GMT
The people who were at the White House know it, but the people THOSE people came in contact with don’t necessarily know that that person was at the White House. So, let’s say Joe Staffer was at the White House. He then goes back to his apartment that he shares with 2 other guys. Those guys now have come in contact with COVID potentially. Those 2 go visit their parents and hang out with their girlfriends. All of which now may have come in contact with COVID and have no/little knowledge about Joe and where he works. Joe’s girlfriend is a teacher, she has now potentially come in contact with COVID. If she goes to work, she now has potentially infected all her co-workers and students - none of which have even heard of Joe Staffer. This is why contact tracing is SO IMPORTANT. It is relatively easy to make those first level connections of who has come in contact with patient zero. It becomes much more complex and less transparent to then trace multi-level connections of someone who came in contact with that person who was in contact with patient zero. Which is why we need to do it to slow the spread. I get it. In your hypothetical scenario, *Joe* would still know he'd been exposed and could/should contact the people he's come in contact with though, right? I understand that contact tracing is extremely important, I said that up front. What I don't know is what my "outrage" about the White House predictably not participating is supposed to do about it. My outrage certainly hasn't been able to do a damn thing about Amy Barrett, kids in cages, Brett Kavanaugh, Russian election interference, POCs shot by police officers, protesters gassed in the streets, the rich not paying taxes, and the plethora of other outrageous crap too numerous to list. Yeah, I can VOTE and continue to write pointless fiery letters and emails to the elected officials in my very red state, and I will continue to do those things (despite the fact that in my soul I know it is a pointless waste of time) but other than that? Who does all this outrage serve? Are we supposed to believe that if we're all "outraged" enough the White House will suddenly change their mind and start calling folks up? Last time I checked they didn't give two shits what any of us thought - they appear to revel in our outrage... No, we aren’t supposed to believe that the WH will change its mind/behavior. It won’t. Because Trump and Melania don’t care one iota about the American people except to the degree that we meet their needs for adulation. I was only responding to your comment which seemed to imply that contact tracing is superfluous in this case. I simply think that it is beyond people like Joe Staffer to track down anyone that came in contact with anyone who came in direct contact with him. And it is unrealistic to expect each level of the equation to be honest, diligent and thorough in contacting everyone they came in contact with. That is why we have paid contact tracers connected with health departments. |
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Post by spitfiregirl on Oct 6, 2020 19:52:32 GMT
they take no responsibility at all.
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RosieKat
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Post by RosieKat on Oct 6, 2020 20:00:41 GMT
I mentioned this in the other thread - there is no reason NOT do this unless there is something they are trying to hide...
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Post by elaine on Oct 6, 2020 20:10:15 GMT
I mentioned this in the other thread - there is no reason NOT do this unless there is something they are trying to hide... They don’t want all the eventual deaths that will be linked to the White House super spreader events, especially events that took place after some staff (and potentially Trump) tested positive, to be made public with direct links back to the White House documented. They potentially have a LOT to hide. One might question whether there could be criminal negligence established if there is a paper trail somewhere of positive test results and events were still held with known infected people in attendance or staffing the events. |
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pyccku
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Post by pyccku on Oct 6, 2020 20:41:18 GMT
Guys, it's worse than you think.
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