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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 14:17:37 GMT
I saw this picture from the debate last night that Pete Buttigieg posted on twitter and thought those two represent the future of the Democratic Party once we get rid of all the old folks.
Besides these two the Democrats having Cory Booker, Beta O’Rourke, Joe Kennedy III, AOC, Julian Castro & Gavin Newsom coming up the pike. A diverse group of individuals. And I’m sure there are others who’s names I can’t remember.
But who do the Republicans have once trump is gone?
I googled “up and coming Republicans “ and got who might be running for president in 2024. Three names popped up. Pence, Tom Cotton, & Nikki Haley.
Are there any real “up & coming” Republicans out there besides those three? Some that aren’t on the national stage yet?
I have to say as a Democrat I’m feeling pretty optimistic about the Party. But one thing does have to happen and that’s the progressives and moderates must learn to compromise with each other. Because if they don’t the Party will end up on the “what could have been” pile.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 14:41:11 GMT
I don’t think the guy can still be seen as the future of the Republican Party..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 14:55:23 GMT
If Biden wins. This guy had better be part of his Administration.
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Post by pinklady on Oct 8, 2020 15:51:38 GMT
I'm all for this New Democratic Party.
Fox News is so dumb, they keep inviting Buttigieg on they get schooled! I love it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 15:56:44 GMT
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Post by pinklady on Oct 8, 2020 16:32:20 GMT
Nice come back Pete!  |
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Post by peabay on Oct 8, 2020 16:40:59 GMT
I don't know that I'd include Joe Kennedy III on the list but yeah, I agree with your point. And I think Buttigieg loves tweaking Fox's nose - and I enjoy that.
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Post by Merge on Oct 8, 2020 18:48:45 GMT
From Texas ... MJ Hegar and Lina Hidalgo (v. young but you'll hear more from her).
I think Ted Cruz thinks he's still the future of the Republican party. What's true is that guys like he and Rubio and Sasse are now the future of the hopefully doomed to failure Trump party. I hope for everyone's sake that there are some sane, principled conservatives hanging in the wings to take the GOP back over. Anyone with the stink of Trump on them is going to have a hard time going forward.
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Post by inkedup on Oct 8, 2020 18:59:47 GMT
If Biden wins. This guy had better be part of his Administration. That was fucking brilliant. |
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Post by peabay on Oct 8, 2020 19:37:45 GMT
From Texas ... MJ Hegar and Lina Hidalgo (v. young but you'll hear more from her). I think Ted Cruz thinks he's still the future of the Republican party. What's true is that guys like he and Rubio and Sasse are now the future of the hopefully doomed to failure Trump party. I hope for everyone's sake that there are some sane, principled conservatives hanging in the wings to take the GOP back over. Anyone with the stink of Trump on them is going to have a hard time going forward. where are the young fiscally conscious, small government conservatives? They'd win my husband back if they separated themselves from the hard right, anti-gay Christians. |
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Post by lucyg on Oct 8, 2020 20:04:58 GMT
From Texas ... MJ Hegar and Lina Hidalgo (v. young but you'll hear more from her). I think Ted Cruz thinks he's still the future of the Republican party. What's true is that guys like he and Rubio and Sasse are now the future of the hopefully doomed to failure Trump party. I hope for everyone's sake that there are some sane, principled conservatives hanging in the wings to take the GOP back over. Anyone with the stink of Trump on them is going to have a hard time going forward. where are the young fiscally conscious, small government conservatives? They'd win my husband back if they separated themselves from the hard right, anti-gay Christians. I think you mean the Log Cabin Republicans. HA HA HA |
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Post by peabay on Oct 8, 2020 20:35:54 GMT
where are the young fiscally conscious, small government conservatives? They'd win my husband back if they separated themselves from the hard right, anti-gay Christians. I think you mean the Log Cabin Republicans. HA HA HA Hahaha! I might mean that - I think he'd be very comfortable there! He has two gay siblings but he's fiscally moderate. He feels very unrepresented - although he recognizes that Biden is pretty moderate when it comes to Democrats. |
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Post by pyccku on Oct 8, 2020 20:50:08 GMT
You forgot Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 8, 2020 21:24:58 GMT
What about all of the up and coming white supremacist, QAnon supporting Republicans that are running right now? There seems to be no shortage of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 21:45:29 GMT
I'm all for this New Democratic Party. Fox News is so dumb, they keep inviting Buttigieg on they get schooled! I love it. |
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Post by breetheflea on Oct 8, 2020 22:03:57 GMT
Nothing will change. Look what happened when there were a bazillion Democrat candidates... they eliminated everyone under 70 years old. Also, from what I've read on my local "mom" board on Facebook. Trump has "done so much for our country and is a true American," obviously the fact that he isn't able to make a coherent sentence or spell isn't important because abortion. The comments on Pence winning the debate and Kamala being condescending and smug make me want to quit humanity. I can only hope something really changes, otherwise it's the same old same old  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2020 23:06:53 GMT
From Texas ... MJ Hegar and Lina Hidalgo (v. young but you'll hear more from her). I think Ted Cruz thinks he's still the future of the Republican party. What's true is that guys like he and Rubio and Sasse are now the future of the hopefully doomed to failure Trump party. I hope for everyone's sake that there are some sane, principled conservatives hanging in the wings to take the GOP back over. Anyone with the stink of Trump on them is going to have a hard time going forward. where are the young fiscally conscious, small government conservatives? They'd win my husband back if they separated themselves from the hard right, anti-gay Christians. I often hear that label - 'fiscally conservative' and it seems to be attributed to Republicans, yet everytime I see an economic graph it shows Democratic presidents seem to have the edge on most financial metrics. I wonder if this whole 'fiscally conservative' trope is outdated as far as what party it should be attributed to? Admittedly I didn't do a great deal of googling before posting but this came up: www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/obama-most-fiscally-conservative-president-in-modern-history/254658/Btw I'm not disparaging your husbands point of view...just genuinely curious about that label that I see often when people label themselves in a political way. I'm also not American so my complete understanding is limited. As I said...I'm curious to learn more. |
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Post by peabay on Oct 8, 2020 23:13:06 GMT
where are the young fiscally conscious, small government conservatives? They'd win my husband back if they separated themselves from the hard right, anti-gay Christians. I often hear that label - 'fiscally conservative' and it seems to be attributed to Republicans, yet everytime I see an economic graph it shows Democratic presidents seem to have the edge on most financial metrics. I wonder if this whole 'fiscally conservative' trope is outdated as far as what party it should be attributed to? Admittedly I didn't do a great deal of googling before posting but this came up: www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/obama-most-fiscally-conservative-president-in-modern-history/254658/Btw I'm not disparaging your husbands point of view...just genuinely curious about that label that I see often when people label themselves in a political way. I'm also not American so my complete understanding is limited. As I said...I'm curious to learn more. The smaller government aspect is important to my dh. I'm sure you're correct - I mean, Trump has been a big spender (but he doesn't care about anything - he has no real beliefs). So much of it probably doesn't end up being how much is spent but where the money is going, I suppose. |
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Post by Dani-Mani on Oct 8, 2020 23:16:33 GMT
I’m 34 and have always voted democratic but I’m actually one of those “young” fiscally conservative, socially liberal voters. I don’t always like what the Democratic Party wants to do with my money, but ultimately, human rights will always win in my book because that’s what my Christian religion says.
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Post by lisae on Oct 9, 2020 0:08:40 GMT
When you look at who ran for president in the Democratic primary in 2020 versus who ran for president in the Republican primary in 2016, it is clear which party has a future and which doesn't.
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Post by AussieMeg on Oct 9, 2020 0:58:52 GMT
Nice come back Pete! The best! "Folks wanna play that game we could do it all night....." after throwing a porn star into the conversation. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Oct 9, 2020 1:02:16 GMT
where are the young fiscally conscious, small government conservatives? They'd win my husband back if they separated themselves from the hard right, anti-gay Christians. I often hear that label - 'fiscally conservative' and it seems to be attributed to Republicans, yet everytime I see an economic graph it shows Democratic presidents seem to have the edge on most financial metrics. I wonder if this whole 'fiscally conservative' trope is outdated as far as what party it should be attributed to? Admittedly I didn't do a great deal of googling before posting but this came up: www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/obama-most-fiscally-conservative-president-in-modern-history/254658/Btw I'm not disparaging your husbands point of view...just genuinely curious about that label that I see often when people label themselves in a political way. I'm also not American so my complete understanding is limited. As I said...I'm curious to learn more. A huge part of those graphs is actually the fact that presidents aren't kings. They work with Congress, and Americans in general, love to split power. It's pretty common even if one party sweeps one election for presidency, house and senate, they're almost guaranteed to lose the house the next go around. President Obama's "fiscal conservatism" was really gridlock. People have forgotten that sequestration was really a game of chicken between President Obama and Congress which neither thought would actually happen where not only domestic spending was frozen but also defense - but it was enacted and absolutely reigned in the budget. Similarly President Clinton "worked" with Gingrich where they were putting forth budgets that were more conservative. The end result was a reduction of spending. From a fiscal conservatism standpoint a republican congress and democratic president is the best combo. |
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Post by Merge on Oct 9, 2020 2:04:29 GMT
Unpopular take, but I don’t care.
Fiscal conservatism isn’t really a thing. Republicans like to spend money on wars and corporate bailouts; Democrats like to spend it on domestic social programs and environmental incentives. They’re all spending money.
(Likewise, no such thing as small government. Republicans want the government to control individuals and government-funded services based on religion or who they deem “worthy” of help, and Democrats want to pass gun control and environmental regulations.)
My cynical take: many people who call themselves fiscally conservative mean that they don’t want their tax dollars spent on those they’ve deemed “lazy” or “irresponsible.” And those people are always someone else, outside of their own social circle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 3:33:33 GMT
I often hear that label - 'fiscally conservative' and it seems to be attributed to Republicans, yet everytime I see an economic graph it shows Democratic presidents seem to have the edge on most financial metrics. I wonder if this whole 'fiscally conservative' trope is outdated as far as what party it should be attributed to? Admittedly I didn't do a great deal of googling before posting but this came up: www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/obama-most-fiscally-conservative-president-in-modern-history/254658/Btw I'm not disparaging your husbands point of view...just genuinely curious about that label that I see often when people label themselves in a political way. I'm also not American so my complete understanding is limited. As I said...I'm curious to learn more. The smaller government aspect is important to my dh. I'm sure you're correct - I mean, Trump has been a big spender (but he doesn't care about anything - he has no real beliefs). So much of it probably doesn't end up being how much is spent but where the money is going, I suppose. I love that people are still fixated on "small government" = GOP while Trump's blown a $3T hole in the budget giving money back to the richest of the rich. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 3:37:24 GMT
My cynical take: many people who call themselves fiscally conservative mean that they don’t want their tax dollars spent on those they’ve deemed “lazy” or “irresponsible.” And those people are always someone else, outside of their own social circle. Exactly that. "Small government" = "don't spend money on the poors or the browns or the blacks." |
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Post by inkedup on Oct 9, 2020 5:03:03 GMT
The smaller government aspect is important to my dh. I'm sure you're correct - I mean, Trump has been a big spender (but he doesn't care about anything - he has no real beliefs). So much of it probably doesn't end up being how much is spent but where the money is going, I suppose. I love that people are still fixated on "small government" = GOP while Trump's blown a $3T hole in the budget giving money back to the richest of the rich. When people tell me Republicans are the party of "small government" I always mention Trump's deficit and the fact that they want a government so "tiny", it'll fit in my uterus. |
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Post by papersilly on Oct 9, 2020 11:34:48 GMT
You forgot Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka. If I manage to forget those three, then I'll be satisfied never being lucid again. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 9, 2020 11:40:28 GMT
where are the young fiscally conscious, small government conservatives? They'd win my husband back if they separated themselves from the hard right, anti-gay Christians. I often hear that label - 'fiscally conservative' and it seems to be attributed to Republicans, yet everytime I see an economic graph it shows Democratic presidents seem to have the edge on most financial metrics. I wonder if this whole 'fiscally conservative' trope is outdated as far as what party it should be attributed to? Admittedly I didn't do a great deal of googling before posting but this came up: www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/03/obama-most-fiscally-conservative-president-in-modern-history/254658/Btw I'm not disparaging your husbands point of view...just genuinely curious about that label that I see often when people label themselves in a political way. I'm also not American so my complete understanding is limited. As I said...I'm curious to learn more. I, too, wonder what fiscally conservative means. Lately it seems that it is a nice way of saying they are against any kind of social program. How the money is wasted/spent doesn’t matter as long as it isn’t going to poor people. Or god forbid, health care. |
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Post by DEX on Oct 9, 2020 12:06:06 GMT
You forgot Don Jr, Eric and Ivanka.  |
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Post by Dani-Mani on Oct 9, 2020 12:24:56 GMT
I think people need to be careful of generalizations. I think government spending is out of control but I also support social programs. And I’m black. I’ve also benefited from social programs like first time homebuyer down payment assistance due to being an educator, public service loan forgiveness, and others.
I’m sorry people don’t believe you can be against outrageous government spending and still believe in helping people, but I have many friends also in this category. This is why people get pushed away from the Democratic Party. It sucks to be told you don’t care about minorities when that can’t be further from the truth.
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