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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 14:02:32 GMT
A teacher showed cartoons of Muhammad. " Authorities announced immediately after the killing that it was being investigated by an anti-terrorist judge, suggesting there was little doubt it was an act of terror. The education minister tweeted: “Our unity and our firmness are the only responses faced with the monstrosity of Islamic terrorism.” The teacher was a professor who taught history-geography — the subjects are taught together in France — but also gave the obligatory courses in “moral and civil education”. It was as part of these, and while talking about freedom of speech, that the professor showed pupils the cartoons. This sparked complaints from parents and the 18-year-old Moscow-born suspect is said to have shared photos of the incident on social media.... I am a parent of a student at this college. The teacher just showed caricatures from Charlie Hebdo as part of a history lesson on freedom of expression. He asked the Muslim students to leave the classroom if they wished, out of respect … He was a great teacher. He tried to encourage the critical spirit of his students, always with respect and intelligence. This evening, I am sad, for my daughter, but also for teachers in France. Can we continue to teach without being afraid of being killed?”" www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/16/french-police-shoot-man-dead-after-knife-attack-near-paris-school
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 14:46:02 GMT
That is so insane and sick! I had to take a second look when I saw it was in FRANCE! I was not expecting that!
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Post by gar on Oct 19, 2020 14:58:12 GMT
That is so insane and sick! I had to take a second look when I saw it was in FRANCE! I was not expecting that! France is known to have a problem with Islamic extremists sadly. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Oct 19, 2020 16:32:35 GMT
That is so insane and sick! I had to take a second look when I saw it was in FRANCE! I was not expecting that! France is known to have a problem with Islamic extremists sadly. Yep and it's not a random problem (see: our history including recent). Islam is the second religion in France and is followed by approximately 9%. Catholicism and nones make up the majority of the religious landscape (40% each). We have and will continue to deal with not only Islamist extremism but also Islamist separatism and the rise of Islamic radicalisation. Political Islam is on the rise everywhere in Europe and France is on the forefront of this. Here is an interesting article to read up on where things stand currently. Lest we forget, Europe and Islam have a longstanding, not always very peaceful history going back to the 8th century. I'm surprised this came as a shock to you @bdhardy. The Charlie Hebdo massacre was widely publicised and the trial for this attack is currently underway. My friends discussed how we wouldn't make it through this trial without at least one other attack on French soil. |
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Post by naby64 on Oct 19, 2020 17:47:32 GMT
I heard this over the weekend and sadly, when I heard it was France, I was not shocked. It does seem that they have had too much violence related to Islamic extremism. Reading what sleepingbooty typed out made me feel less of a horrible person not being shocked. Does that make sense? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 1:40:51 GMT
"After Teacher’s Decapitation, France Unleashes a Broad Crackdown on ‘the Enemy Within’ With dozens of raids against Muslim individuals and groups accused of radicalism, the fury of the response had France’s right wing speaking in terms of warfare. France on Monday unleashed a broad crackdown on Muslims accused of extremism, carrying out dozens of raids, vowing to shut down aid groups and threatening to expel foreigners as anger swept the country following the decapitation of a high school teacher for showing caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad in class. Many of those swept up in raids were already in police files for showing “signals” of potential radicalization, like preaching radicalized sermons or sharing hate messages on social networks, government officials said. More than 200 others — the bulk already in prison — were threatened with a rare mass expulsion. But other groups targeted in the raids included Muslim associations previously given government subsidies for their work promoting better civic relations, and only 15 of the people arrested had any connection to the gruesome attack on Friday." www.nytimes.com/2020/10/19/world/europe/france-raids-teacher-beheading.htmlUnprovable fanatical religious beliefs are a danger to the world. |
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Post by flanz on Oct 20, 2020 5:05:09 GMT
France is known to have a problem with Islamic extremists sadly. Yep and it's not a random problem (see: our history including recent). Islam is the second religion in France and is followed by approximately 9%. Catholicism and nones make up the majority of the religious landscape (40% each). We have and will continue to deal with not only Islamist extremism but also Islamist separatism and the rise of Islamic radicalisation. Political Islam is on the rise everywhere in Europe and France is on the forefront of this. Here is an interesting article to read up on where things stand currently. Lest we forget, Europe and Islam have a longstanding, not always very peaceful history going back to the 8th century. I'm surprised this came as a shock to you @bdhardy . The Charlie Hebdo massacre was widely publicised and the trial for this attack is currently underway. My friends discussed how we wouldn't make it through this trial without at least one other attack on French soil. It's a heartbreaking ugly reality. |
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Post by michellegb on Oct 20, 2020 8:24:46 GMT
This is so disturbing. I truly can't imagine the thought process that leads to "I must do this". That level of emotion and justification are just beyond something I can understand. We are living in scary times.
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Post by Rainy_Day_Woman on Oct 20, 2020 11:46:46 GMT
It's so heartbreaking that such ugliness persists.
My friend immigrated to Canada a couple of years ago from France because of the extremism on both sides. She didn't want her kids growing up among such discrimination against Islamics and the radicalization among Islamic youth (which unfortunately grow side by side). She feels much safer and hopeful here for her family.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 13:45:45 GMT
We are living in scary times. The sad thing is, we lived through them before - they were called the middle ages. Savagery and butchery between religions and WITHIN religions (Catholics v Protestants and millions SLAUGHTERED for unprovable "beliefs"). How we are looking at going through this again is mind-boggling when you think how far we've advanced technically, in knowledge of science, health, psychology, etc. But these unprovable beliefs keep bringing people down and hurting them. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 13:51:19 GMT
"Today is the 500th anniversary of the birth of the Protestant Reformation. Martin Luther published his 95 Theses precisely half a millennium ago. It’s tempting for libertarians to celebrate this day as a great victory for freedom of speech and freedom of religion, but the Reformation’s main fruit was over a century of horrifying warfare. The Thirty Years’ War, with a death toll around eight million, is the best known. The French Wars of Religion claimed yet another three million lives. These numbers are even more gruesome when you remember that Europe’s population was far lower back then: For 1500 AD, Angus Maddison assigns twelve million to Germany and fifteen million to France. " www.econlib.org/archives/2017/10/hard_questions.htmlEuropean wars of religion: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_religion |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Oct 20, 2020 14:01:30 GMT
We are living in scary times. The sad thing is, we lived through them before - they were called the middle ages. Savagery and butchery between religions and WITHIN religions (Catholics v Protestants and tens of thousands SLAUGHTERED for unprovable "beliefs"). How we are looking at going through this again is mind-boggling when you think how far we've advanced technically, in knowledge of science, health, psychology, etc. But these unprovable beliefs keep bringing people down and hurting them. Terrorism is a very complex matter in which the weight of religion is often overestimated which tends to oversimplify the actual issue at hand, unfortunately. Jeff Victoroff's (USC Medical School's Neurology and Psychatry department) The Mind of the Terrorist is a solid, easy-to-understand academic paper that helps put more elements (and critically analyse how these elements came to be - often not actually backed by science) into focus if anyone's ever interested. The American Psychologists Association ahs a very neat and short entry on understanding terrorism (which clearly shows the surprising lack of data collected for such a hot subject that has been on the table for decades now). Looking at terrorism through the prism of "religion caused this" is an easy mistake to make (and so often used as an excuse by politicians). And I say this as a staunch atheist who is really not a partisan of religion in general. I just wish the media would push to develop the discussion around terrorism further and better, forcing governments to start acting better for the long term. Anyhoo, apologies for dragging criminology into this now and dulling the sensationalist decapitation news. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 14:22:57 GMT
The sad thing is, we lived through them before - they were called the middle ages. Savagery and butchery between religions and WITHIN religions (Catholics v Protestants and tens of thousands SLAUGHTERED for unprovable "beliefs"). How we are looking at going through this again is mind-boggling when you think how far we've advanced technically, in knowledge of science, health, psychology, etc. But these unprovable beliefs keep bringing people down and hurting them. Terrorism is a very complex matter in which the weight of religion is often overestimated which tends to oversimplify the actual issue at hand, unfortunately. Jeff Victoroff's (USC Medical School's Neurology and Psychatry department) The Mind of the Terrorist is a solid, easy-to-understand academic paper that helps put more elements (and critically analyse how these elements came to be - often not actually backed by science) into focus if anyone's ever interested. The American Psychologists Association ahs a very neat and short entry on understanding terrorism (which clearly shows the surprising lack of data collected for such a hot subject that has been on the table for decades now). Looking at terrorism through the prism of "religion caused this" is an easy mistake to make (and so often used as an excuse by politicians). And I say this as a staunch atheist who is really not a partisan of religion in general. I just wish the media would push to develop the discussion around terrorism further and better, forcing governments to start acting better for the long term. Anyhoo, apologies for dragging criminology into this now and dulling the sensationalist decapitation news. Agreed. Terrorism is the root (as it likely was in the middle ages as well.) For some, the religious beliefs pull the trigger while the princes and potentates use the cover of god and religion to stir up the foot soldiers. I sincerely hope we've learned enough to stop this savagery (literal and figurative w/the LGBTQ issues in the US). |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Oct 21, 2020 21:12:14 GMT
National hommage at the Sorbonne today where President Macron spoke. Public school teachers in France are directly employed by the country's government, not the schools or regions. I'm not surprised this is turning into such a big, social and political event (and his family was in attendance so clearly in agreement with this). Just in case anybody wanted an update.
If you know any French, you can listen to Macron's speech here:
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Post by gar on Oct 21, 2020 22:14:53 GMT
I don't understand much French unfortunately sleepingbooty, but it seems a fittingly sombre ceremony. Such an awful, barbaric act  |
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Post by mnmloveli on Oct 21, 2020 22:23:59 GMT
Just a horrific way to die. Hope the ceremony helps the family heal.
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Post by beebee on Oct 22, 2020 0:47:33 GMT
That made me hurt. It was a horrific act of terrorism.
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Post by jess on Oct 22, 2020 1:39:41 GMT
This makes my heart ache not just for those involved, but for my friends who are Muslim. When things like this happen many people tend to lump all Muslims in together and assume they're all radical extremists and they get increased hatred directed their way.
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