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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 3:13:25 GMT
"Plans by a little-known whites-only church to open in a small Midwestern town drew sharp opposition Wednesday from residents, who don't want their community known as "the hate capital of Minnesota." Nearly 50 residents of Murdock filed into a town hall to largely voice opposition to the Asatru Folk Assembly (AFA) which wants to establish its Midwest regional center in the western Minnesota city that's home to less than 300 people.... The Southern Poverty Law Center has branded the Asatru Folk Assembly as a "neo-Volkisch hate group" that couches "their bigotry in baseless claims of bloodlines grounding the superiority of one’s white identity."... The City Council will act on the conditional use permit at a meeting scheduled Nov. 4." www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/whites-only-church-eyes-small-town-residents-fears-becoming-hate-n1243538When is a church not a church? From the AFA website: "Healthy families are the cornerstone of folk society and its strength and prosperity is derived from them. We in Asatru support strong, healthy white family relationships. We want our children to grow up to be mothers and fathers to white children of their own. We believe that those activities and behaviors supportive of the white family should be encouraged while those activities and behaviors destructive of the white family are to be discouraged." Got a set of beliefs? Just file some papers, create a church and line up for the tax advantages, skirting the laws on health insurance, etc. And I'll bet they pitch a fit and cry "religious persecution" when/if the council denies them their permit. |
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Post by Zee on Oct 20, 2020 3:20:36 GMT
😂😂😂
I admire your dedication. Have a good night! (Said sincerely!)
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But in all seriousness: there should be no room in this country for this kind of bullshit. It does make me sad to read about things like this and think of how emboldened these people have become since Trump took office.
I truly truly wish for a healing of this country, but I know it was never really fixed in the first place. It's just that these roaches feel ok coming out of the dark.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Oct 20, 2020 3:24:29 GMT
Well good luck to them on that!! That’s down near my home town. There is absolutely nothing there. And no where around. Ya have to drive an hour for groceries. It’s prarie and wind and nothing. Are they moving people there? Because it’s pretty much established Lutherans and Catholics.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Oct 20, 2020 8:50:08 GMT
I don’t know why I’m still shocked when I read stuff like this.
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Post by michellegb on Oct 20, 2020 8:59:25 GMT
This is our world now. Any and all divisive behavior is welcomed and in some cases encouraged. It's sad and disappointing and scary.
I hope they shut this nonsense down and I truly hope that they really aren't a governmentally recognized church with all the benefits (which should generally go away in my opinion).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 13:29:56 GMT
This is our world now. Any and all divisive behavior is welcomed and in some cases encouraged. It's sad and disappointing and scary. I hope they shut this nonsense down and I truly hope that they really aren't a governmentally recognized church with all the benefits (which should generally go away in my opinion). I believe they are a church - in the legal sense of tax advantages and skirting laws. runestone.org/declaration-of-purpose/ |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 13:31:38 GMT
"The Asatru Folk Assembly (AFA) is an international Ásatrú organization, founded by Stephen A. McNallen in 1994. Its doctrines are based on ethnicity, an approach it calls "folkish".[3] Headquartered in Grass Valley, California,[4][5] with chapters worldwide, the AFA is recognized as a 501(c)(3) non-profit religious organization.[6][7]" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asatru_Folk_AssemblyYep - a 501c(3). No 990s required. No prop tax. No income tax. Ignore parts of the ACA that you don't like, etc. |
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Post by workingclassdog on Oct 20, 2020 15:07:14 GMT
How is this legal? Mind blown. But not really. But still is.
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Post by pancakes on Oct 20, 2020 15:48:12 GMT
What gives me hope is that 50 people showed up (which I assume is quite a few for this small town) to try to stop them from settling in their town.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 15:56:41 GMT
What gives me hope is that 50 people showed up (which I assume is quite a few for this small town) to try to stop them from settling in their town. Yep. Knowledge is power. (which is why i bang on about this stuff  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 14:59:40 GMT
And they got their permit: "Voting anonymously, the Murdock, Minn., City Council granted a permit allowing a white supremacist church to use an abandoned Lutheran church as its third gathering spot in the United States. The vote Wednesday night came after the council was advised that rejecting the Asatru Folk Assembly's request could violate its religious rights. Meeting online because of the COVID-19 pandemic, the council kept its video camera turned off, meaning that other meeting attendees couldn't see the members' faces. Despite repeated requests from the online audience, council members refused to identify who voted for or against the permit, passing it on a voice vote without a roll call. One member on the five-person council could be heard voting no." m.startribune.com/tiny-minnesota-town-to-vote-today-on-allowing-white-supremacist-church/573344361/www.mprnews.org/story/2020/12/09/murdock-to-decide-whether-whitesonly-group-can-use-former-churchNow the AFA can use the property as a "hof". In spite of the community's objections. The Council's attorney said that not granting the permit would likely lead to costs for lawsuits from the AFA. |
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Post by pinklady on Dec 11, 2020 16:30:18 GMT
In my world, hundreds of armed Black Panthers with semiautomatic rifles will show up to “attend” church services.
It is an open carry state right.
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Post by Merge on Dec 11, 2020 16:54:38 GMT
The totally predictable result of a national policy that prioritizes the "rights" of "religious" groups over all others.
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Post by vspindler on Dec 11, 2020 22:18:47 GMT
Most Norse religion followers I know detest how their religion is tainted by white supremacists (also medieval reenactors). This group may learn the hard way that Minnesota nice has its limits.
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Post by fuji on Dec 11, 2020 22:23:40 GMT
The residents of that community did everything they could to prevent this from happening. Ultimately, the city council was advised by their attorney that there would be a legal issue if they denied it.
The community is incredibly disappointed and disgusted by the whole thing.
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Post by Merge on Dec 11, 2020 22:35:13 GMT
The residents of that community did everything they could to prevent this from happening. Ultimately, the city council was advised by their attorney that there would be a legal issue if they denied it. The community is incredibly disappointed and disgusted by the whole thing. I have no doubt. Like the anti-maskers who hold reasonable people hostage by threatening or engaging in violence, this group to now holds an entire town hostage in the name of religious freedom. The right not only permits but encourages this “freedom.” And they throw tear gas and shoot rubber bullets at peaceful protestors of actual injustice. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2020 23:15:30 GMT
The totally predictable result of a national policy that prioritizes the "rights" of "religious" groups over all others. Unless it is a mosque. |
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Post by Merge on Dec 11, 2020 23:20:41 GMT
The totally predictable result of a national policy that prioritizes the "rights" of "religious" groups over all others. Unless it is a mosque. Well, yeah. "Religious" was in quotes because what they really want to protect is right-wing hate. |
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Post by paulao on Dec 11, 2020 23:23:04 GMT
The city council has no balls. They should have denied the permit and the hell with your so called religion. It’s people like those council,workers that open the door enough for hatred to get through. They should be ashamed.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 11, 2020 23:31:58 GMT
I want to point out this is a rural community, probably 99% white and they want nothing to do with them. Sometimes I find it discouraging what is said about the "rural folks" and their lack of education, racism, and ignorance on this board.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2020 1:59:25 GMT
I want to point out this is a rural community, probably 99% white and they want nothing to do with them. Sometimes I find it discouraging what is said about the "rural folks" and their lack of education, racism, and ignorance on this board. I don't think anyone has said anything like that on this thread. They've called out the good actions of this community several times. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Dec 12, 2020 2:04:45 GMT
The city council has no balls. They should have denied the permit and the hell with your so called religion. It’s people like those council,workers that open the door enough for hatred to get through. They should be ashamed. They council basically had no choice. They would have been fined, and put thru a huge legal battle. This is a town of 250. They just don't have that money. |
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Post by mikklynn on Dec 12, 2020 13:34:37 GMT
The city council has no balls. They should have denied the permit and the hell with your so called religion. It’s people like those council,workers that open the door enough for hatred to get through. They should be ashamed. There is no legal standing for that. They wanted to, but were advised against it. |
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Post by paulao on Dec 12, 2020 14:42:27 GMT
The city council has no balls. They should have denied the permit and the hell with your so called religion. It’s people like those council,workers that open the door enough for hatred to get through. They should be ashamed. There is no legal standing for that. They wanted to, but were advised against it. No legal standing? The first amendment guarantees the right to practice religion but doesn’t guarantee the right to purchase buildings. If a “huge legal case” emerged, there are plenty of groups to step in. Groups that do not promote hate. I hope the city council gets fired or not re elected. Too many times bad people get their way because good people are afraid of law suits. Any good lawyer would be able to shoot down a case like this. |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Dec 12, 2020 18:11:45 GMT
No legal standing? The first amendment guarantees the right to practice religion but doesn’t guarantee the right to purchase buildings. If a “huge legal case” emerged, there are plenty of groups to step in. Groups that do not promote hate. I hope the city council gets fired or not re elected. Too many times bad people get their way because good people are afraid of law suits. Any good lawyer would be able to shoot down a case like this. Of course the council had legal counsel before they voted. They didn't just randomly decide, oh, we can't do that, we'll get fined. They were legally advised on how to vote. |
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Post by mikklynn on Dec 12, 2020 20:02:21 GMT
There is no legal standing for that. They wanted to, but were advised against it. No legal standing? The first amendment guarantees the right to practice religion but doesn’t guarantee the right to purchase buildings. If a “huge legal case” emerged, there are plenty of groups to step in. Groups that do not promote hate. I hope the city council gets fired or not re elected. Too many times bad people get their way because good people are afraid of law suits. Any good lawyer would be able to shoot down a case like this. It's a zoning issue. Nobody wanted to allow it. link |
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 13, 2020 1:43:25 GMT
I don't think anyone has said anything like that on this thread. They've called out the good actions of this community several times. I know. I said board, not thread. |
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