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Post by merry27 on Oct 23, 2020 4:05:28 GMT
There is no way in hell I would vote for Trump. I will be voting for Biden, but I have so many reservations. There were so many great Democratic candidates and I was sad that he was chosen.
I’m concerned about his age. You wouldn’t hire a 78 year old to run your company so why are we voting for him to run the country? I worry how long he will be able to run the country.
I personally didn’t feel like Obama Care was a good option. Healthcare is a big concern of mine and with Biden, he will continue to implement that.
I worry about him shutting the country down. We are self employed and were hit HARD this year. I don’t know that we can survive another shutdown.
Like I said, I’m voting for Biden. I just don’t feel excited about it.
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Post by roxley on Oct 23, 2020 4:10:01 GMT
I’m excited about Kamala. Tonight I realized I am not excited about the president I am voting for, but that pales to my excitement to get Trump out.
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Post by scrappinspidey2 on Oct 23, 2020 4:14:09 GMT
There is no way in hell I would vote for Trump. I will be voting for Biden, but I have so many reservations. There were so many great Democratic candidates and I was sad that he was chosen. I’m concerned about his age. You wouldn’t hire a 78 year old to run your company so why are we voting for him to run the country? I worry how long he will be able to run the country. I personally didn’t feel like Obama Care was a good option. Healthcare is a big concern of mine and with Biden, he will continue to implement that. I worry about him shutting the country down. We are self employed and were hit HARD this year. I don’t know that we can survive another shutdown. Like I said, I’m voting for Biden. I just don’t feel excited about it. Me! I have lots of reservations about it, but I cannot let President Trump remain in office. There are bigger things at stake and If I have to suck it up for 4 years with VP Biden then I guess Im willing to do so. I don't agree with his agenda. I am not a fan of Obama Care, but when it comes down to it, he has plans. Solid plans. I may not like the direction of said plans and they may not align with my personal/political stance, however they are better than the chaos and nightmare of hate this country has seen the last four years. Im also a firm believer in Science, not government when it comes to the pandemic and that played a big role in my decision. I do worry, but not on the levels I am currently.
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Post by samantha25 on Oct 23, 2020 4:14:24 GMT
No concerns about Biden... Joe cares and has empathy for everyone. Yes, there will be another shut down, doesn't matter who is president at the time. In fact, Trump will still be in charge with the next shut down.
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Post by ~summer~ on Oct 23, 2020 4:16:13 GMT
No concerns. He is not the most eloquent and has a stutter but I think he is going to surprise us all.
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Post by merry27 on Oct 23, 2020 4:22:28 GMT
No concerns. He is not the most eloquent and has a stutter but I think he is going to surprise us all. I really hope so!
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Post by ~summer~ on Oct 23, 2020 4:23:54 GMT
I’m curious for those of you who say you don’t like Obamacare what would you like to see?
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Post by femalebusiness on Oct 23, 2020 4:26:25 GMT
No concerns at all. I have watched Joe for decades and he is a truly decent man. I haven't always agreed with him politically but I have never doubted that he does what he believes is best for America and her people. The bonus is we will have an intelligent, classy first lady instead of the skank that is now in the White House.
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Post by snyder on Oct 23, 2020 4:34:35 GMT
I’m curious for those of you who say you don’t like Obamacare what would you like to see? It's not affordable. For myself, it is $953 a month and my employer kicks in $230. When I retired, I paid $270 a month with employer kicking in the same $230. Huge difference and takes a huge bit out of my retirement income.
ETA - It is going up $75 in January.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 23, 2020 4:46:08 GMT
I wouldn’t choose a president in his 70s, given another reasonable option. Other than that, I think he’s great, and he seems to be more on top of things than I am, and he’s a lot older! Also he has good backup in Kamala Harris.
But given the alternative, he could be 100 years old and demented, and I’d still vote for him. Literally ANYone other than Trump.
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Post by mnmloveli on Oct 23, 2020 4:50:54 GMT
I’m curious for those of you who say you don’t like Obamacare what would you like to see? I live in NY and we had Healthy New York before Obamacare. Healthy NY was approximately $800 a month for my husband and I with a $1,000 deductible (500 each), minimal co-pays ($10-$20) and choose your own doctor. When Obamacare started, Healthy NY stopped. Now we have one of the cheapest bronze plans on the exchange. We pay $1,000 a month for my husband and I, $15,200 deductible ($7,600 a person), co-pay is 50% but at least I got to keep my doctor. I would love for NY to bring back Healthy NY.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 23, 2020 5:12:36 GMT
I’m curious for those of you who blame the ACA for increased premiums. Do you realize that premiums were rising before the ACA and probably would have increased without it? There are other factors beyond the ACA driving up premiums. Also, if you have a different plan, it’s like comparing apples to oranges. There are so many intricacies of co pays, co insurance, premiums, what’s covered etc. www.factcheck.org/2017/03/employer-premiums-and-the-theres a lot of variation from state to state, but a lot of the recent increases are a result of uncertainty in the market. Also, eliminating the mandate so that insurers can’t spread out the risk increased premiums. If left in place, it might have had a positive effect by now. www.nytimes.com/2017/10/03/health/aca-insurance-rate-increases.htmleta - The ACA certainly has flaws, but there are also a lot of benefits including Young adults can stay in plans until age 26 those with pre- existing conditions are no longer excluded Many Americans now have health insurance that didn’t before Well visits and vaccinations are covered at 100% birth control is covered medicaid in some states was expanded Along with those benefits, there might be increased costs for some. I have a few concerns about his age, but a lot of confidence in Kamala Harris. I’m also excited about a cabinet of well qualified candidates instead of lobbyists with financial interests in tearing down their department (deJoy & Betsy deVos). If he is elected, I will be relieved to have a president who will listen to experts and follow the science instead of a radiologist from Fox News. I will be happy to have a president who is not an embarrassment, who is capable of speaking intelligently with words with more than 1 or 2 syllables. I won’t wake up with a sense of dread about what stupid thing our president has said or tweeted. And probably most importantly, I’m hopeful that we might have a president who will unite the country rather than divide us.
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Post by Skellinton on Oct 23, 2020 5:14:54 GMT
Nope.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 23, 2020 6:04:44 GMT
I consider him my political palate cleanser.
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Post by tracylynn on Oct 23, 2020 6:17:18 GMT
Not one concern.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 6:57:38 GMT
No concerns at all!
I don't expect to always agree with the President. I do expect a President to be human, empathetic and the best candidate to work for peace and justice. None of which Trump, his VP or his wife embody.
I'm not one to hold age or disability against a person. I adored RGB for her wit and intelligence at 87. Roosevelt was a great leader with a major disability and a fantastic FLOTUS. And his VP stepped up to make one of the toughest decisions of WWII. King George had a huge stutter and was beloved as he and QE led a nation through its darkest hours. All of them outshine Trump and his disgusting inhumanity. And that goes for his family, his VP, and all the current Reps in Congress.
My country desperately needs to go through go a carwash!
Eta: I'm excited to see who he picks for his cabinet!
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Post by nlwilkins on Oct 23, 2020 7:07:37 GMT
While I don't care for some of his plans, I know that they will be tempered by other opinions and that he will listen to experts to get the best plans for the US. Laws and procedures that affect all of us will be the product of people who want the best for us not people motivated by greed and their own personal agenda.
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Post by michellegb on Oct 23, 2020 8:58:04 GMT
I’m excited about Kamala. Tonight I realized I am not excited about the president I am voting for, but that pales to my excitement to get Trump out. I'm really not crazy about his age, but I am excited at the prospect of going back to a time when I wasn't anxious all the time wondering what the POTUS was doing today to wreck this country and destroy our natural resources and generally make sure we are even more divided than ever.
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Post by kluski on Oct 23, 2020 10:25:53 GMT
Yes! Huge concerns! And hoping people are smart enough to NOT vote for him. Seriously! This isn’t a popularity contest. I’m not voting for the nicer guy. I’m voting for the future of my country. I worked my whole flippin life, did without and saved. I would like to be able to retire with the benefits I worked for and to continue to choose the doctor I want to see when I want to see him. The list is long why I would never vote democratic. I do agree Trump is not an eloquent speaker. I do not share his same values and morals but he is running this country like a business NOT like a politician. Joe’s time has come and God willing, gone.
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Post by Merge on Oct 23, 2020 10:34:48 GMT
Yes! Huge concerns! And hoping people are smart enough to NOT vote for him. Seriously! This isn’t a popularity contest. I’m not voting for the nicer guy. I’m voting for the future of my country. I worked my whole flippin life, did without and saved. I would like to be able to retire with the benefits I worked for and to continue to choose the doctor I want to see when I want to see him. The list is long why I would never vote democratic. I do agree Trump is not an eloquent speaker. I do not share his same values and morals but he is running this country like a business NOT like a politician. Joe’s time has come and God willing, gone. You do understand that Trump plans to gut your social security and Medicare and has no actual healthcare plan of his own, right? You understand that he has catastrophically mismanaged the epidemic and put all of us at increased risk? You understand that millions who have also worked all their lives are one serious illness away from bankruptcy? That kids today cannot afford the post-secondary education they need to access the same opportunities that you and I had? His mannerisms and demeanor are the least of it, TBH. Biden was not my first choice, but this country will not survive another four years of Trump.
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Post by littlemama on Oct 23, 2020 10:36:13 GMT
Nope. Not at all. He is a compassionate, empathetic human being with a strong moral compass and he chose his running mate well in case anything happens to him.
As for health care, we are the only first world country where health insurance is tied to employment. It is a ridiculous policy.
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Post by littlemama on Oct 23, 2020 10:40:55 GMT
I’m curious for those of you who say you don’t like Obamacare what would you like to see? It's not affordable. For myself, it is $953 a month and my employer kicks in $230. When I retired, I paid $270 a month with employer kicking in the same $230. Huge difference and takes a huge bit out of my retirement income.
ETA - It is going up $75 in January.
I work in a position where I see many, many health care plans and their renewals and I can tell you that in the 2 years before the Affordable Care Act passed, the insurance companies were routinely giving 40% increases. That is when the rates really started getting out of hand. What would solve that, as well as solving high dedictibles and ridiculous out of pocket amounts is doing away with our current system and not tying health insurance to employment. That would also solve the issue of preexisting conditions (called Medical History and not held against a person in every other civilized nation)
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 23, 2020 10:51:25 GMT
I’m curious for those of you who blame the ACA for increased premiums. Do you realize that premiums were rising before the ACA and probably would have increased without it? There are other factors beyond the ACA driving up premiums. Also, if you have a different plan, it’s like comparing apples to oranges. There are so many intricacies of co pays, co insurance, premiums, what’s covered etc. www.factcheck.org/2017/03/employer-premiums-and-the-theres a lot of variation from state to state, but a lot of the recent increases are a result of uncertainty in the market. Also, eliminating the mandate so that insurers can’t spread out the risk increased premiums. If left in place, it might have had a positive effect by now. www.nytimes.com/2017/10/03/health/aca-insurance-rate-increases.htmleta - The ACA certainly has flaws, but there are also a lot of benefits including Young adults can stay in plans until age 26 those with pre- existing conditions are no longer excluded Many Americans now have health insurance that didn’t before Well visits and vaccinations are covered at 100% birth control is covered medicaid in some states was expanded Along with those benefits, there might be increased costs for some. I have a few concerns about his age, but a lot of confidence in Kamala Harris. I’m also excited about a cabinet of well qualified candidates instead of lobbyists with financial interests in tearing down their department (deJoy & Betsy deVos). If he is elected, I will be relieved to have a president who will listen to experts and follow the science instead of a radiologist from Fox News. I will be happy to have a president who is not an embarrassment, who is capable of speaking intelligently with words with more than 1 or 2 syllables. I won’t wake up with a sense of dread about what stupid thing our president has said or tweeted. And probably most importantly, I’m hopeful that we might have a president who will unite the country rather than divide us. I’m good. If he is elected he will have a mess to clean up. An absolute mess. The economy is a mess and the virus is still raging. But Joe has been in the Senate, and in the WH. He knows how this works, he knows the players on Capitol Hill, and he knows foreign leaders. He knows how this works, and there will not be a learning curve. He has run an excellent campaign, and I have every confidence that he will choose knowledgeable, competent people for his Cabinet. Make no mistake; they will all have a lot of hard work to do. One of the things that Trump has done is to get rid of our competent government workers; that will have to be corrected. Much of what Trump has done must be undone. The first year will be difficult. But he will have a lot of help from people of all political persuasions who realize that we have been going down the wrong road, and it is time to put country over party.
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Post by schizo319 on Oct 23, 2020 10:58:06 GMT
Of course I have concerns. I have concerns EVERY single time we get a new president in office, regardless of party affiliation - not one of them is in 100% lockstep with what *I* think is best for the country. But my concerns with Biden are about .01% of the concerns I have about the current administration.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 11:06:47 GMT
Yes! Huge concerns! And hoping people are smart enough to NOT vote for him. Seriously! This isn’t a popularity contest. I’m not voting for the nicer guy. I’m voting for the future of my country. I worked my whole flippin life, did without and saved. I would like to be able to retire with the benefits I worked for and to continue to choose the doctor I want to see when I want to see him. The list is long why I would never vote democratic. I do agree Trump is not an eloquent speaker. I do not share his same values and morals but he is running this country like a business NOT like a politician. Joe’s time has come and God willing, gone. A business he's bankrupting, you fucking idiot. I'm tired of trump supporters. And yes, I will be rude. He's a horrible person.
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Post by keriwest on Oct 23, 2020 11:20:38 GMT
Huge concerns for many reasons.
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Post by mollycoddle on Oct 23, 2020 11:22:10 GMT
Yes! Huge concerns! And hoping people are smart enough to NOT vote for him. Seriously! This isn’t a popularity contest. I’m not voting for the nicer guy. I’m voting for the future of my country. I worked my whole flippin life, did without and saved. I would like to be able to retire with the benefits I worked for and to continue to choose the doctor I want to see when I want to see him. The list is long why I would never vote democratic. I do agree Trump is not an eloquent speaker. I do not share his same values and morals but he is running this country like a business NOT like a politician. Joe’s time has come and God willing, gone. It’s a free country, but I couldn’t disagree more. One of the things that alarms me is that the Trump administration has a case in front of the SC very soon that might destroy the ACA. They have NO plan to replace it. The conservative majority that will soon be 6 to 3 is very likely to gut Roe, LGBTQ protections, and further undermine voting rights-to name a few. Covid is raging and he acts like it’s on the decrease. Those are just a few of the things that alarm me about Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 11:32:40 GMT
Yes! Huge concerns! And hoping people are smart enough to NOT vote for him. Seriously! This isn’t a popularity contest. I’m not voting for the nicer guy. I’m voting for the future of my country. I worked my whole flippin life, did without and saved. I would like to be able to retire with the benefits I worked for and to continue to choose the doctor I want to see when I want to see him. The list is long why I would never vote democratic. I do agree Trump is not an eloquent speaker. I do not share his same values and morals but he is running this country like a business NOT like a politician. Joe’s time has come and God willing, gone. I usually don’t argue with children, but you need to go to your room!
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Post by hop2 on Oct 23, 2020 11:34:03 GMT
I voted against Trump. Then again I haven’t voted ‘for’ a candidate in many years. But this time & 2016 my votes were cast as strategically as I could against Trump. No 3rd party games or anything like that. I’ve known first hand that Trump is a selfish, scheming, conniving, lying, jack hole since the 1990’s and he should never have been allowed anywhere near the Oval Office with his bunch of grifters.
Do I have reservations about Biden? Sure, but it’s better than the road we are on now. Yes, healthcare is super important to me but so are my rights, the constitution etc. Not to mention I’d like to pull back from the plutocracy we are headed for. The Trump administration is the biggest dumpster fire I’ve ever seen.
However, I’m not *that* afraid of Biden, I believe he has enough compassion & decency to let go of the reigns if he has difficulties, which is something Trump & co will NEVER do, not even temporarily during a medical procedure. He’s too much of a narcissist. Besides Trump is nearly as old, in worse health than Biden and less sane to begin with.
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Post by aj2hall on Oct 23, 2020 11:36:44 GMT
Yes! Huge concerns! And hoping people are smart enough to NOT vote for him. Seriously! This isn’t a popularity contest. I’m not voting for the nicer guy. I’m voting for the future of my country. I worked my whole flippin life, did without and saved. I would like to be able to retire with the benefits I worked for and to continue to choose the doctor I want to see when I want to see him. The list is long why I would never vote democratic. I do agree Trump is not an eloquent speaker. I do not share his same values and morals but he is running this country like a business NOT like a politician. Joe’s time has come and God willing, gone. The country is not a business, it’s a government that provides services. And under his administration, it’s doing a lousy job. He has put unqualified people in his administration, starting with his children. And used the government to line his own pockets. Is that really how good businessmen operate? Not only that, despite appearances on the Apprentice, he’s a lousy businessman and has filed bankruptcy a number of times.
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