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Post by pancakes on Oct 28, 2020 4:26:24 GMT
I was thinking about opening a 529 plan but there are some limitations to the account that I don’t totally love, so I thought I’d ask the wiser Peas what you guys did for your kids.
The goal is to save money, ideally for college, but it’s hard to say what college will be like 18 years from now.
What did y’all do and would you do something differently in retrospect?
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Post by snyder on Oct 28, 2020 4:33:13 GMT
We did a combo of cd's and mutual funds. I too thought it was to difficult to predict the future so was not 100% on board with a 529. I know the interest rates are not all that great right now, and you might want to wait until after the election a bit as they could tank even more. 15 years ago, interest on a Cd was 4.5-5.0%. Now you're lucky if you get 1%. Son has an average of 5.6% return on his mutual funds he's had right at 3 years.
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Post by caangel on Oct 28, 2020 5:03:42 GMT
We have 529s for the kids and small mutual funds.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 28, 2020 12:29:27 GMT
We have ROTH IRAs for our kids’ college funds. I forget exactly why we chose them, but we took them out years before we had kids (infertility issues). We didn’t want them tied to just education because we didn’t know 100% that we would have kids or that our kids would actually go to college. So they are in our names, not the kids’ names. I’m glad we did that, because both kids ended up with huge merit scholarships and used DH’s Post 9-11 GI Bill for their undergrad degrees. DD actually makes about $2,000 a year with her scholarships.
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Post by freecharlie on Oct 28, 2020 12:44:40 GMT
We have the 529 for our kids, partially for the tax break.
We should have started earlier and split some of the money into a different account as well
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Post by J u l e e on Oct 28, 2020 13:05:37 GMT
We opened a 529 when our daughter was born. We didn’t fund it aggressively because it is hard to plan for. She ended up with scholarships that made a huge 529 fund unnecessary, but of course we didn’t know that either. It’s funny to think back to then. She’s a freshman in college this year (attending remotely because her campus is opened to only specific programs right now) and I remember sitting with her in her rocking chair wondering what college would look like in 2020. And we all know how that turned out!
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Post by newscrapper05 on Oct 28, 2020 13:09:29 GMT
Our financial planner thought he could do better with a mutual fund than the 529 for our grandkids. Of course, the tax break is nice. I did not finish college and one of my daughters is just now finishing at 36!
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Post by auntkelly on Oct 28, 2020 13:33:01 GMT
We never specifically earmarked money for our kids education. My husband is a saver by nature (unlike me) so he was never tempted to dip into our savings and he kept me accountable. We didn’t move our savings around often, but we did when it made sense. We always worked with a financial advisor, but did a lot of research on our own. As the kids got close to college age, we made sure that our entire savings were not tied up in long term investments. We made sure that at least some of our savings were readily available to pay college tuition.
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Post by iowgirl on Oct 28, 2020 13:33:20 GMT
We were able to ramp up our business to cover the kids college tuition and first car. They participated heavily in helping us do this, so they worked for it. But that just isn't something that most people can do. We were very lucky to hit some good markets and get some premium prices on our beef for several years, and that premium paid for it all. It was a hell of a lot of work though.
We are just starting to scale back now.
Their grandparents gifted them some investments every year and we did add a little to that, but the kids didn't need to use it. If they had wanted to go to grad school or beyond, it would have got them through that. But now they can use it for a house down payment or emergency if they need it.
It's really something that you have to think hard about before you even start having kids - and whew... who knows what it will be like when they get to college age! Yikes!
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Post by koontz on Oct 28, 2020 14:09:06 GMT
Our financial planner thought he could do better with a mutual fund than the 529 for our grandkids. Of course, the tax break is nice. I did not finish college and one of my daughters is just now finishing at 36! Nothing to add - it's a completely different situation in the Netherlands and much less applicable given the standard annual college tuition here but I just wanted to say that I love your avatar!
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Post by peano on Oct 28, 2020 14:11:58 GMT
We did a Vanguard index fund.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 14:17:38 GMT
Do more research but I'm thinking the 529 would be the most tax beneficial. Ticks me off to no end that there are essentially no tax breaks for parent's paying for their children's college tuition plus if you have the money invested and have earnings, you can pay capital gains tax on top of it I swear we could have done something way better if we had the right advisors at the right time.
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Post by iowgirl on Oct 28, 2020 14:48:15 GMT
Ticks me off to no end that there are essentially no tax breaks for parent's paying for their children's college tuition There is. You can deduct up to $4000 off your gross income - which was a huge benefit for us. I think this is still in effect for 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 15:28:30 GMT
Ticks me off to no end that there are essentially no tax breaks for parent's paying for their children's college tuition There is. You can deduct up to $4000 off your gross income - which was a huge benefit for us. I think this is still in effect for 2020. Yes, although it phases out. If we don't claim them as dependents that the child can claim it, though. Either way, I can't say enough about good advisors early on to run through potential scenarios.
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Post by iowgirl on Oct 28, 2020 15:56:51 GMT
If we don't claim them as dependents that the child can claim it, though This worked out well for our last kid. He needed some expense and it was very beneficial for him. Having a good accountant is important in college savings/financing too! They often have great tips and suggestions.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Oct 28, 2020 16:35:20 GMT
We never specifically earmarked money for our kids education. My husband is a saver by nature (unlike me) so he was never tempted to dip into our savings and he kept me accountable. We didn’t move our savings around often, but we did when it made sense. We always worked with a financial advisor, but did a lot of research on our own. As the kids got close to college age, we made sure that our entire savings were not tied up in long term investments. We made sure that at least some of our savings were readily available to pay college tuition. This is exactly how we did it. DD1 completed undergrad and two years of grad school with no loans. She had several small scholarships, and since she was paying in-state tuition, the bill wasn't that bad. She lived on campus or in an apartment for undergrad but moved home for grad school since we made her ante up a little for that. For both undergrad and grad school, she worked as a server/bar tender for a local hotel, and she made excellent money that covered all of her personal expenses. She also had a GA position that paid a good portion of grad school tuition and a $13,500 annual stipend. We told her she could could live at home for free or pay her own rent during grad school. She opted to live at home and finished with a sizeable savings account to cover expenses when she moved to Virginia for her new job. DD3 is in community college and has only paid a total of about $5000 in tuition plus $7000 last year for room and board (after her refund for the COVID closing). She had some tuition her first year as a part-time student when she was finishing the Pro-Start program through our county's technical school. This year and last she has benefitted from a grant program that covers tuition for certain professions that are a need in our state (Culinary counts as we rely heavily on tourism). That tuition grant ends after next semester, so we will be back on the hook for tuition when she finishes her double major next fall (culinary and nutrition). After she is done with all of her CC requirements, she might finish her bachelor's in Hospitality or General Business, depending on whether or not she gets the job she wants. We will cover the cost of finishing the four to five semesters she will need for a bachelor's. She likes living at home and having access to a car, so I doubt we will have any room and board expenses for her bachelor's degree. DD2 is in her third year of undergrad, and so far she has cost us a total of about $10,000 for her first year room and board. She has had enough scholarships to cover her tuition every year, plus about $1000 refundable to cover books and other expenses. She has been an RA this year and last, so no room and board charges, plus she gets a very small stipend of about $80 per month, I think, which covers her on-campus parking pass. If she decides to go for a masters, she will of course go for a GA position, but even if she doesn't get one, we will help her cover her expenses. I'm not going to cover a $100,000 or higher bill for out-of-state tuition, but if she can reduce that cost with a GA position, we will be happy to help her with the rest. Otherwise, she can do an in-state program or look for funding options to cover the difference between the in-state and out-of-state costs. I think she will probably be able to get a GA position, even if it is as an RA. I know that some schools will cover tuition for graduate RAs, but do not offer the stipend. She currently has a 4.0 in Finance and three minors (and is on track to keep the 4.0 this term!). Based on my experience working with graduate business students, those skills are often in demand in university foundations and administrative units who need students with business experience to help with budgets. Her B.S. Finance plus Accounting minor should at least get her an interview for GA positions. She wants a masters in sports management, and I have put her to work researching the programs she wants to visit next summer when travel hopefully opens back up. I have helped her find some contacts at other schools that she is talking to now about what they need for the application and what GA opportunities are available. I know that my school sometimes has GA positions for business students in the athletic department, and this would be perfect for her. I also have contacts at Ohio State and Auburn, so she has been reaching out there to see what opportunities they might have. She will get at least as much out of us as DD1 did. My best recommendation is to have your college student research the funding that might be available at the undergrad and grad level to cut the overall bill. I have never seen scholarships tied to a job for undergrads, but GA waivers are available for grad students. We have to recruit hard for RAs because most freshmen want an apartment for sophomore year, so that is a good opportunity for just about anyone who wants it on my campus--no rent, utilities, or grocery bill for RAs. Also, check out the student employment office. It amazes me how many student worker positions go unfilled each year for departments who are desperate for the help. These are not work-study, which is a federal aid program for which you have to qualify. These are actual jobs that pay anywhere from minimum wage to $18 per hour, depending on your qualifications and classification as grad or undergrad. They can also cover up to 10 hours per week for undergrads or 20 for grads, I think, but they do not pay for any tuition.
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Post by 950nancy on Oct 28, 2020 16:37:51 GMT
We put money (from an inheritance) into a state program for college.
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Post by caangel on Oct 28, 2020 16:56:49 GMT
We have ROTH IRAs for our kids’ college funds. I forget exactly why we chose them, but we took them out years before we had kids (infertility issues). We didn’t want them tied to just education because we didn’t know 100% that we would have kids or that our kids would actually go to college. So they are in our names, not the kids’ names. I’m glad we did that, because both kids ended up with huge merit scholarships and used DH’s Post 9-11 GI Bill for their undergrad degrees. DD actually makes about $2,000 a year with her scholarships. I'm curious about people who use ROTHs for college. While I know it is allowed ours is intended for our retirement. Is that what you will do with it now? Cuz it is in your name not theirs. Also I believe that if kids get a scholarship there is some way the 529s accommodate for that (less or no fees for an equal amount withdrawal). We are still a few year off from college but it is getting closer. Thanks for sharing your situations! Helps me ask better questions when meeting with our financial advisor.
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Post by redshoes on Oct 28, 2020 17:20:22 GMT
We have a 529 for our daughter and a separate mutual fund account for our son (7 years younger). Whatever funds are available after our daughter has finished can be designated to son and then of course the mutual fund is designated for his education. We have the benefit of their age difference.
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Post by hopechest on Oct 28, 2020 17:20:24 GMT
We're doing both. I have some in a 529 for the state tax break, and the rest in a savings/investment account. Some money market some investments.
I do a set contribution to the 529 and the savings is just extras here and there, birthday money etc. He's 4, so he doesn't know the difference right now. I have the "save up" feature where it sends $1 every time I use my debit card to the account. It's not millions, but I'm surprised on how fast it adds up.
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Post by busy on Oct 28, 2020 17:25:42 GMT
We have some in a 529 but we more aggressively fund a general mutual fund portfolio that's designated for our son. There are definitely more tax advantages to the 529 but there are also significant limitations.
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Post by pancakes on Oct 28, 2020 17:56:12 GMT
We have some in a 529 but we more aggressively fund a general mutual fund portfolio that's designated for our son. There are definitely more tax advantages to the 529 but there are also significant limitations. I think we will probably end up doing something like this, too. Thanks for everyone’s ideas!! It’s hard to think what anything will be like in 2048.
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Post by Basket1lady on Oct 28, 2020 18:01:29 GMT
We have ROTH IRAs for our kids’ college funds. I forget exactly why we chose them, but we took them out years before we had kids (infertility issues). We didn’t want them tied to just education because we didn’t know 100% that we would have kids or that our kids would actually go to college. So they are in our names, not the kids’ names. I’m glad we did that, because both kids ended up with huge merit scholarships and used DH’s Post 9-11 GI Bill for their undergrad degrees. DD actually makes about $2,000 a year with her scholarships. I'm curious about people who use ROTHs for college. While I know it is allowed ours is intended for our retirement. Is that what you will do with it now? Cuz it is in your name not theirs. Also I believe that if kids get a scholarship there is some way the 529s accommodate for that (less or no fees for an equal amount withdrawal). We are still a few year off from college but it is getting closer. Thanks for sharing your situations! Helps me ask better questions when meeting with our financial advisor. Roth’s were a big thing 30 years ago. They were new and I’m pretty sure we converted existing accounts, which were pretty small back then. We initially intended these accts for the kids education, but they can also be used for retirement at 59 1/2. The kids could also use them for grad school, but the accts were making such a good return that we just paid cash for DS’s grad school. We are waiting to see how things are in a year, when DD starts grad school. The accts are way down now, but I’m sure they will eventually recover. We are waiting for acceptances and a decision about what school she chooses.
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Post by karinec on Oct 28, 2020 20:18:48 GMT
My mom put money into a "College Saver" account at our credit union. It was a lump sum, we never really had the means to contribute to it, but the rate of return, esp for our younger daughter (since she started college a couple of years after her sister), was great. I don't recall the details of when the accounts were originally set up - but I am a fan of credit unions, so if that is an option for you, you may want to check in on it.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 28, 2020 20:49:21 GMT
529 account have many limitations
We had them but didn’t use them. My kids got scholarships. We had to apply to get DD’s out because she was going to do her masters over seas and you can’t use a 529 for that. Then Covid but whatever.
If you make a 529 and end up not using it you can get the money back, the circumstances under how you get it back vary depending on why your withdrawing it. In our case ( the scholarships & education seas ) we only had to pay taxes on a portion of the interest whatever the irs said to pay. And since it’s a 529 they institution applies to the irs to see how much you may withdraw in that way. So even if you do use a 529 the money is not necessarily lost to you, just some bureaucracy.
We did not put all their money in the 529 for instance their inheritance from my parents went into a trust account. So many people told me I was crazy why didn’t I put it in a 529. But the taxes were already paid on that money so what benefit would there have been to the 529 with all its limitations. What if my kid wants trade school ( might or might not qualify ) or to start a taco truck ( definitely does not qualify )
If possible as with many things in life a balanced mixed approach might be a good idea. Consult a financial professional to make your goals work
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Post by honeyb on Oct 28, 2020 23:15:11 GMT
We started a 529 for each of my kids waaay too late (they were 10 & 12). We have been aggressively saving for them since. I went back to work and all income is put in their 529s. They are now 17 & 20 and things didn't end up how we thought they would.
My 20 yo decided to get a DTA (direct transfer associates) from a local college and live at home. His tuition is about $6,000/year, we had budgeted $25,000/year. My daughter decided to do Running Start, so at the end of this school year she'll have her diploma and an AA.
They have saved us a tremendous amount of money by making these choices. We have told them they can get a Master's degree with the leftover money. If they don't do that, I guess we'll have to figure out how to withdraw it.
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Post by threegirls on Oct 29, 2020 1:08:31 GMT
I did both a 529 and a Coverdell ESA for all three of our girls. The 529 gives us a state tax break for contributions up to $4,000 (per year). Investments grow tax free. For me, the drawback is the limited number of investments to choose from in our state 529. The Coverdell ESA is much more flexible as far as investments go but the amount of $ you can contribute is lower (capped at $2,000 per year up to a certain income limit. You can open a Coverdell ESA at TD Ameritrade. Info on Coverdell ESAs link
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Post by sabrinae on Oct 29, 2020 1:11:41 GMT
[quote I have helped her find some contacts at other schools that she is talking to now about what they need for the application and what GA opportunities are available. I know that my school sometimes has GA positions for business students in the athletic department, and this would be perfect for her. I also have contacts at Ohio State and Auburn, so she has been reaching out there to see what opportunities they might have. She will get at least as much out of us as DD1 did.[/quote]
She may also want to consider Ohio University if she is looking at Ohio schools. It’s substantially smaller than Ohio State but has a good sports admin program. Their Masters of Sports Admin is run jointly with the College of Business and I think, but am not sure, that they come out of the program with a MBA as well. They definitely have GA positions as part of their program which generally include tuition and a stipend.
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Post by megop on Oct 29, 2020 3:25:47 GMT
529s since birth for the tax break. One used, the other did not ... so far. But, it's there for life should he choose some higher education later or it goes to his children.
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