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Post by Really Red on Nov 18, 2020 23:07:45 GMT
General Services Administration chief Emily Murphy says she will not do anything and feels like she's between a rock and a hard place. Why? Is the reason that president must concede that makes an election valid? I hardly think so. That makes a democracy, but shouldn't speak to the validity of the election, right?
I really am confused. I am surprised I haven't read more about this. No one thought that Trump would have a temper tantrum for over two weeks, although I have no idea why since he's had a 4-year one.
Murphy is a lawyer. What does she know that we don't (or I don't)?
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Post by gsquaredmom on Nov 18, 2020 23:10:15 GMT
There are reports she is putting out resumes.
She knows the moment she does this, Trump will fire her.
That’s what he does with disloyal employees.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 18, 2020 23:12:43 GMT
There is no reason. None.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 18, 2020 23:15:50 GMT
The only requirement is an “apparent” winner. Joe Biden clearly fits that definition but the majority of the Republicans have remained silent and allowed Trump to undermine our democracy. There would be no harm done to the government if she released funds & offices and gave Biden & Harris access, but she is a political appointee and remains loyal to Trump.
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janeliz
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Post by janeliz on Nov 18, 2020 23:21:15 GMT
Every political appointee in DC is basically in an abusive relationship with our President. Hell, I guess we all are.
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Post by ihaveonly1l on Nov 18, 2020 23:24:01 GMT
I've tried to call everyday. The Lincoln Project posted the office phone number and encouraged people to call. The office isn't taking calls. This is the government of the people....
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Post by simplyparticular on Nov 18, 2020 23:25:16 GMT
I presume she's CYA and waiting for the election to be certified?
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Post by Merge on Nov 18, 2020 23:29:42 GMT
I presume she's CYA and waiting for the election to be certified? Why? This is not normally done.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 18, 2020 23:30:28 GMT
I think this is genuinely one of those messy areas of our system. In a normal year, the loser concedes and the transition begins. The ONLY modern year where no one conceded was 2000 where the GSA waited until the Supreme Court stopped the recount in Florida which made the winner obvious to certify and start the transition process. So she feels like she's in an impossible situation as there is no precedent for a president being a petulant child and abusing the court process frivolously. I HOPE that after the states complete their certifications she can move on to formally authorizing the transition, but I do think that it's one of these areas where we've relied upon people's respect for our process and the voters without clearly defined legal guidelines. From what I've read, she's not a trumpster despite being appointed by him and knows she's going to be vilified no matter what happens so is looking for something other than AP calling the race to legally move forward. There was a good article a read a day or two ago about her background and talking to her associates, I'll see if I can find it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 1:30:33 GMT
I think all her vacillating is BS. Waaah, people hate me, I’m caught in between. Nope! Grow a pair, get some guts, take a stance, DO.YOUR.JOB!!!!! The time to do what is right begins now. Period.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 1:42:55 GMT
The newest strategy is to get to obscure counties and have them not certify results (ala Wayne County in MI). "The moves don’t reflect a coordinated effort across the battleground states that broke for Biden, local election officials said. Instead, they seem to be inspired by Trump’s incendiary rhetoric about baseless fraud and driven by Republican acquiescence to broadsides against the nation’s electoral system as state and federal courts push aside legal challenges filed by Trump and his allies. Still, what happened in Wayne County, Michigan, on Tuesday was a jarring reminder of the disruptions that can still be caused as the nation works through the process of affirming the outcome of the Nov. 3 election. There is no precedent for the Trump team’s widespread effort to delay or undermine certification, according to University of Kentucky law professor Joshua Douglas.
“It would be the end of democracy as we know it,” Douglas said. “This is just not a thing that can happen.”Certifying results is a routine yet important step after local election officials have tallied votes, reviewed procedures, checked to ensure votes were counted correctly and investigated discrepancies. Typically, this certification is done by a local board of elections and then, later, the results are certified at the state level. But as Trump has refused to concede to Biden and continues to spread false claims of victory, this mundane process is taking on new significance. Among key battleground states, counties in Michigan, Nevada and Wisconsin have all made it through the initial step of certifying results. Except for Wayne County, this process has largely been smooth. Arizona, Pennsylvania and Georgia still haven’t concluded their local certifications. Then all eyes turn to statewide certification." apnews.com/article/joe-biden-donald-trump-local-elections-arizona-michigan-fa1f61cc5de6352deaa588dab908128eAnd let's not forget that the only time in recent history we've had such a long delay in concession was in 2000 when the outgoing Clinton admin were definitely readying the transition. They just didn't know who would ultimately win between Bush or Gore at SCOTUS over the 600 "hanging chads". This time it's an admin that is pretending that it's not going anywhere and not readying anything.
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Post by lizacreates on Nov 19, 2020 1:44:15 GMT
I think all her vacillating is BS. Waaah, people hate me, I’m caught in between. Nope! Grow a pair, get some guts, take a stance, DO.YOUR.JOB!!!!! The time to do what is right begins now. Period. Amen. We have a catastrophic pandemic and national security issues, and an orderly transition and release of funds are all dependent one one bureaucrat who’d rather dither than make a reasonable decision based on the obvious.
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Post by edie3 on Nov 19, 2020 2:15:16 GMT
The office isn't taking calls. I have tried to call many times, too.
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Nov 19, 2020 2:21:31 GMT
I think this is genuinely one of those messy areas of our system. In a normal year, the loser concedes and the transition begins. The ONLY modern year where no one conceded was 2000 where the GSA waited until the Supreme Court stopped the recount in Florida which made the winner obvious to certify and start the transition process. So she feels like she's in an impossible situation as there is no precedent for a president being a petulant child and abusing the court process frivolously. I HOPE that after the states complete their certifications she can move on to formally authorizing the transition, but I do think that it's one of these areas where we've relied upon people's respect for our process and the voters without clearly defined legal guidelines. From what I've read, she's not a trumpster despite being appointed by him and knows she's going to be vilified no matter what happens so is looking for something other than AP calling the race to legally move forward. There was a good article a read a day or two ago about her background and talking to her associates, I'll see if I can find it. Bullshit. She works for us, and she is not doing her job. There is an election winner clearly projected. Anything to the contrary is bullshit. I hope she never works again and I am not going to feel sorry for her for her abject failure to do her damn job. Poor baby having a hard time? Then get out of the fucking way so the transition can begin. How many people have to die on your watch, Emily?
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Post by Jili on Nov 19, 2020 2:25:27 GMT
I've tried to call everyday. The Lincoln Project posted the office phone number and encouraged people to call. The office isn't taking calls. This is the government of the people.... I called one day last week and actually got through to a person who spoke respectfully. I left a message for Emily, along with my email and phone number. I know she’ll never see it, but it made me feel like I did something, at least. They’ve obviously stopped answering the phones.
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Post by samantha25 on Nov 19, 2020 3:00:22 GMT
Have her set up a go fund me account and pass the transition order and people will donate until she finds a new job... boo hoo for Emily, I'm so torn on what to do. CNN article was bogus, gathering empathy. Why is it up to her anyway? Another bogus flaw in the US institution that has been brought out by dump because normal people concede.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 19, 2020 3:08:30 GMT
She knows she’s losing her job on 1/21/20 and still won’t sign the letter. She’s a piece of shit who I hope can never find another job.
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Post by peano on Nov 19, 2020 4:06:22 GMT
Emily Murphy meet Chris Krebs. He was just fired for performing his job admirably and refusing to lie for the president. Emily, be like Chris.
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Post by Really Red on Nov 19, 2020 4:55:55 GMT
Why on earth would someone hire her when it is obvious she can't perform the job she has now? Is she looking for something lesser skilled? Yes. I think all her vacillating is BS. Waaah, people hate me, I’m caught in between. Nope! Grow a pair, get some guts, take a stance, DO.YOUR.JOB!!!!! The time to do what is right begins now. Period. Yes She knows she’s losing her job on 1/21/20 and still won’t sign the letter. She’s a piece of shit who I hope can never find another job. Yes. Emily Murphy meet Chris Krebs. He was just fired for performing his job admirably and refusing to lie for the president. Emily, be like Chris. And yes again. Thank you all for confirming what I understood, which is that she is just a POS who is a huge supporter of the president. She loses her job January 21 regardless and she cannot do the right thing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 5:02:04 GMT
Emily Murphy meet Chris Krebs. He was just fired for performing his job admirably and refusing to lie for the president. Emily, be like Chris. That's what "shithole" countries look like. Honest public servants are a threat to the tyrants - they get fired or disappeared. Toadies get bribes and/or benefits and accolades. Maybe Emily is trying to see if Lori Loughlin and her super-rich hubby can get Trump into the Electoral College.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 5:15:43 GMT
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Post by monklady123 on Nov 19, 2020 10:07:13 GMT
Why on earth would someone hire her when it is obvious she can't perform the job she has now? Is she looking for something lesser skilled? A Republican would probably hire her for being "loyal to the party leader".
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Post by lizacreates on Nov 19, 2020 13:35:50 GMT
General Services Administration chief Emily Murphy says she will not do anything and feels like she's between a rock and a hard place. Why? Is the reason that president must concede that makes an election valid? I hardly think so. That makes a democracy, but shouldn't speak to the validity of the election, right? I really am confused. I am surprised I haven't read more about this. No one thought that Trump would have a temper tantrum for over two weeks, although I have no idea why since he's had a 4-year one. Murphy is a lawyer. What does she know that we don't (or I don't)? Red, just to be 100% sure, I read the federal code, congressional directives/notes, summaries, etc, and nowhere does it state a concession by the losing incumbent is a predicate to the ascertainment by the GSA. Nowhere. And there is also no predicate of state certification. She’s doing this under the pretext of the contested election in 2000, which is a ridiculous basis to use because the winner then truly wasn’t known for weeks. Obviously, this is not the case this time as it is clear to everybody who doesn’t believe in crackpot conspiracy theories that Biden is the president-elect. I don’t really know for a fact what Murphy’s genuine motivation is, but whatever it is, it’s becoming more and more suspect with each passing day of inaction.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 13:38:18 GMT
And which party introduced (Dems) and which party ignored (Repubs) the SAFEAct? Oh, right, of course. "Securing America's Federal Elections Act or the SAFE Act This bill addresses election security through grant programs and requirements for voting systems and paper ballots. The bill establishes requirements for voting systems, including that systems (1) use individual, durable, voter-verified paper ballots; (2) make a voter's marked ballot available for inspection and verification by the voter before the vote is cast; (3) ensure that individuals with disabilities are given an equivalent opportunity to vote, including with privacy and independence, in a manner that produces a voter-verified paper ballot; (4) be manufactured in the United States; and (5) meet specified cybersecurity requirements, including the prohibition of the connection of a voting system to the internet. " www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2722
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Post by Really Red on Nov 19, 2020 14:02:19 GMT
General Services Administration chief Emily Murphy says she will not do anything and feels like she's between a rock and a hard place. Why? Is the reason that president must concede that makes an election valid? I hardly think so. That makes a democracy, but shouldn't speak to the validity of the election, right? I really am confused. I am surprised I haven't read more about this. No one thought that Trump would have a temper tantrum for over two weeks, although I have no idea why since he's had a 4-year one. Murphy is a lawyer. What does she know that we don't (or I don't)? Red, just to be 100% sure, I read the federal code, congressional directives/notes, summaries, etc, and nowhere does it state a concession by the losing incumbent is a predicate to the ascertainment by the GSA. Nowhere. And there is also no predicate of state certification. She’s doing this under the pretext of the contested election in 2000, which is a ridiculous basis to use because the winner then truly wasn’t known for weeks. Obviously, this is not the case this time as it is clear to everybody who doesn’t believe in crackpot conspiracy theories that Biden is the president-elect. I don’t really know for a fact what Murphy’s genuine motivation is, but whatever it is, it’s becoming more and more suspect with each passing day of inaction. I just read a WaPo article on this that was really well done. She apparently keeps comparing this election to 2000, but it's a false assumption and not worthy of anyone who is a lawyer. Trump would have to overturn 3 states before he had hopes of winning and that doesn't seem likely or possible. 2000 was down to one state and 537 votes and it was clear we needed to wait. I don't know what Murphy's motivation is either, but at this point, she sounds as stubborn as hell and not going to back down and do what's right. I do not believe anyone deserves death threats and it annoys me that anyone gets them, but I do believe she deserves harassment and to lose her job forever. This is incompetence at best and obstruction at worst.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 19, 2020 14:27:36 GMT
And which party introduced (Dems) and which party ignored (Repubs) the SAFEAct? Oh, right, of course. "Securing America's Federal Elections Act or the SAFE Act This bill addresses election security through grant programs and requirements for voting systems and paper ballots. The bill establishes requirements for voting systems, including that systems (1) use individual, durable, voter-verified paper ballots; (2) make a voter's marked ballot available for inspection and verification by the voter before the vote is cast; (3) ensure that individuals with disabilities are given an equivalent opportunity to vote, including with privacy and independence, in a manner that produces a voter-verified paper ballot; (4) be manufactured in the United States; and (5) meet specified cybersecurity requirements, including the prohibition of the connection of a voting system to the internet. " www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2722It’s this kind of thing that pisses me right off. They blocked the legislation that would have prevented this very scenario from occurring because they knew they wouldn’t benefit from it, and I’m sure it was in an effort to intentionally delay certifying the inevitable. They KNEW this was coming and that the election would be close in some places, they wanted to leave just enough wiggle room for error so they could pull this crap now. It’s this kind of slight of hand, shifty tricks that they have been building into the system to shift power to the minority for the last several decades and it has to end.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 19, 2020 15:08:27 GMT
They want to recind AFTER they spoke to trump
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Post by lizacreates on Nov 19, 2020 15:23:35 GMT
Red, just to be 100% sure, I read the federal code, congressional directives/notes, summaries, etc, and nowhere does it state a concession by the losing incumbent is a predicate to the ascertainment by the GSA. Nowhere. And there is also no predicate of state certification. She’s doing this under the pretext of the contested election in 2000, which is a ridiculous basis to use because the winner then truly wasn’t known for weeks. Obviously, this is not the case this time as it is clear to everybody who doesn’t believe in crackpot conspiracy theories that Biden is the president-elect. I don’t really know for a fact what Murphy’s genuine motivation is, but whatever it is, it’s becoming more and more suspect with each passing day of inaction. I just read a WaPo article on this that was really well done. She apparently keeps comparing this election to 2000, but it's a false assumption and not worthy of anyone who is a lawyer. Trump would have to overturn 3 states before he had hopes of winning and that doesn't seem likely or possible. 2000 was down to one state and 537 votes and it was clear we needed to wait. I don't know what Murphy's motivation is either, but at this point, she sounds as stubborn as hell and not going to back down and do what's right. I do not believe anyone deserves death threats and it annoys me that anyone gets them, but I do believe she deserves harassment and to lose her job forever. This is incompetence at best and obstruction at worst. Yes to all that. I wouldn’t be so enraged if these attempts at stymying Biden-Harris were just minor annoyances. But the fact remains that stunts like this by Murphy are detrimental to actual living, breathing human beings. People like her who cannot deliberate properly and act in a timely fashion to protect the interests of the US and its people have no place in government. I don’t buy any of these pitying claims about her. If she wants to subscribe to the dogma of Trump and the GOP, she ought to do that in her private life, not in her role as public servant. She is clearly violating the spirit of transition law and bipartisan congressional intent. And she’s on a job hunt! How hypocritical is that? On the one hand, she’s refusing to acknowledge the Biden win, and on the other hand she’s preparing for a change in administration! If events were reversed and this had happened to the GOP, I have no doubt the Republicans in Congress would have subpoenaed her and hauled her ass in front of the oversight committee on day two. It’s now over two weeks since the election and she’s still not budging. Not meaning to denigrate my own party, but this is why I get frustrated sometimes – Dems need to take the gloves off and learn to fight mano a mano or they’ll continue to be steamrolled by the GOP.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 19, 2020 15:41:43 GMT
General Services Administration chief Emily Murphy says she will not do anything and feels like she's between a rock and a hard place. Why? Is the reason that president must concede that makes an election valid? I hardly think so. That makes a democracy, but shouldn't speak to the validity of the election, right? I really am confused. I am surprised I haven't read more about this. No one thought that Trump would have a temper tantrum for over two weeks, although I have no idea why since he's had a 4-year one. Murphy is a lawyer. What does she know that we don't (or I don't)? Red, just to be 100% sure, I read the federal code, congressional directives/notes, summaries, etc, and nowhere does it state a concession by the losing incumbent is a predicate to the ascertainment by the GSA. Nowhere. And there is also no predicate of state certification. She’s doing this under the pretext of the contested election in 2000, which is a ridiculous basis to use because the winner then truly wasn’t known for weeks. Obviously, this is not the case this time as it is clear to everybody who doesn’t believe in crackpot conspiracy theories that Biden is the president-elect. I don’t really know for a fact what Murphy’s genuine motivation is, but whatever it is, it’s becoming more and more suspect with each passing day of inaction. I read somewhere that Emily reached out to the man who was the GSA guy in 2000 and he told her this is drastically different and she should sign the letter. He was interviewed and it's on tape. If I can find it I will post. If there is any karma, I hope Emily is sued for wrongful death because her lack of action is going to cause more covid deaths.
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Post by lizacreates on Nov 19, 2020 15:50:39 GMT
Red, just to be 100% sure, I read the federal code, congressional directives/notes, summaries, etc, and nowhere does it state a concession by the losing incumbent is a predicate to the ascertainment by the GSA. Nowhere. And there is also no predicate of state certification. She’s doing this under the pretext of the contested election in 2000, which is a ridiculous basis to use because the winner then truly wasn’t known for weeks. Obviously, this is not the case this time as it is clear to everybody who doesn’t believe in crackpot conspiracy theories that Biden is the president-elect. I don’t really know for a fact what Murphy’s genuine motivation is, but whatever it is, it’s becoming more and more suspect with each passing day of inaction. I read somewhere that Emily reached out to the man who was the GSA guy in 2000 and he told her this is drastically different and she should sign the letter. He was interviewed and it's on tape. If I can find it I will post. If there is any karma, I hope Emily is sued for wrongful death because her lack of action is going to cause more covid deaths. Yes, I read that, too, but she’s still doubling down on her refusal. And, really, what in the devil is all this? We’ll all continue to defer to this one bureaucrat at the expense of people’s well-being and safety up until Dec 14 when electors vote? Or Jan when Congress certifies the electoral votes? Why are we forced to “humor” a president who acts like a toddler and bend over backwards to give him a face-saving “off-ramp” to spare his paper-thin sensibilities? It’s nuts! What modern democratic country does this shit? (And all this talk about effing “healing”! WTF. Why don’t the GOP and their surrogates try NOT bastardizing laws to their advantage and maybe there’d be room for healing? Why did this become a Dem imperative?)
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