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Post by lisae on Nov 28, 2020 23:31:58 GMT
This is a vent. I know there is no logical answer to my questions.
My cousin's uncle on his mother's side passed away last week from Covid 19. I don't know how he and his wife contracted the virus. I'm not sure if they know.
But what I do know is his nephew, my cousin (our father's were brothers), just posted a message with a crossed out mask that says "my body, my choice." He posts all kinds of pro-Trump stuff, too, that I don't agree with. I only continue to follow him to find out family things.
How does anyone not understand by now that wearing a mask is to protect other people? How can someone who just attended their uncle's graveside funeral in which attendees were told to wear masks and socially distance not get this?
I have very few Facebook friends because I despise Facebook for many reasons. The only reasons I keep it are to find information mostly about small businesses and to follow my local knitting shop. Once in a blue moon my stepdaughters post something. The knitting shop owner is retiring and likely having to close in the next few months so I think I'm just going to remove my Facebook icon from my desktop and only go there if I absolutely have to view something.
I've overlooked a lot of stuff my cousin posted but this one just did me in.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 28, 2020 23:35:37 GMT
It’s willful ignorance. How sad.
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Post by Zee on Nov 28, 2020 23:35:39 GMT
I either unfriended or hid the Trumpsters on my FB. I avoided doing that for a long time because I didn't want my FB to be just an echo chamber, but after taking a break from FB I decided to make it just my happy place the way it had been before Trump showed me some people's true colors.
And now it's once again my happy place, and I have my groups I belong to and my friends and family I can stay in touch with. It's once again a positive place for me for the most part.
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Post by quiltz on Nov 29, 2020 0:14:14 GMT
I don't understand as well.
Right now Toronto and Peel Regions are supposed to be on a lock-down BUT there are a lot of people from there going into other Regions that are not in lock-down, doing their Black Friday shopping and some without masks.
I am very concerned that the #'s in my area are going to go up due to people not staying home. There is a huge outlet mall in Niagara and it is FULL of cars, mostly with cars that indicate that they are from the locked-down Regions. I am not happy and am staying at home. Some retailers are asking, prior to admission to their stores for ID to confirm that they are local people and are saying NO to people from the locked-down areas.
I don't understand why people cannot follow the rules.
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Post by purplebee on Nov 29, 2020 0:36:06 GMT
I either unfriended or hid the Trumpsters on my FB. I avoided doing that for a long time because I didn't want my FB to be just an echo chamber, but after taking a break from FB I decided to make it just my happy place the way it had been before Trump showed me some people's true colors. And now it's once again my happy place, and I have my groups I belong to and my friends and family I can stay in touch with. It's once again a positive place for me for the most part. I’ve done the same thing by snoozing or unfollowing and find that I am much happier in my pleasant little FB echo chamber! |
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Post by peasapie on Nov 29, 2020 0:37:07 GMT
I either unfriended or hid the Trumpsters on my FB. I avoided doing that for a long time because I didn't want my FB to be just an echo chamber, but after taking a break from FB I decided to make it just my happy place the way it had been before Trump showed me some people's true colors. And now it's once again my happy place, and I have my groups I belong to and my friends and family I can stay in touch with. It's once again a positive place for me for the most part. I did the same, and I enjoy FB now. As for the deniers, they are part of the Trump cult who all do the same thing. He's a salesman and has been able to convince many people despite his many failed ventures - so I'm not really surprised there are a fair amount of people who believe his stupidity. |
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Post by katybee on Nov 29, 2020 0:41:31 GMT
I have heard many stories from medical professionals about people in the hospital—on vents—still denying that covid is real. So...yeah...nothing surprises me anymore.
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Post by greendragonlady on Nov 29, 2020 0:44:13 GMT
That's absolutely crazy that they would still be in denial after a family member passed away. I either unfriended or hid the Trumpsters on my FB. I avoided doing that for a long time because I didn't want my FB to be just an echo chamber, but after taking a break from FB I decided to make it just my happy place the way it had been before Trump showed me some people's true colors. And now it's once again my happy place, and I have my groups I belong to and my friends and family I can stay in touch with. It's once again a positive place for me for the most part. I think most of the Trumpers on my feed have gone to Parler or something. I don't really see much now. Either that or they've been told "just wait until day after tomorrow...you'll see the evidence!" so many times that they are starting to see the light.* *a girl can dream, can't she? |
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Post by newscrapper05 on Nov 29, 2020 0:48:40 GMT
Please believe that it's not only 'trumpsters' - my bil had covid in July and narrowly avoided hospitalization. We just lost our fil last week. Bil did not wear a mask to the graveside service. Neither did our nephew - both are strong democrats.
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Post by ellen on Nov 29, 2020 2:48:29 GMT
A Trumper on my Facebook feed was ranting about how this is something that we'll all get so it is ridiculous that we're following restrictions. She feels safer at a local restaurant than in stores. She thinks masks aren't helping at all. She won't wear one, but she'll wear a shield. She listed the names of a bunch of Voodoo doctors that people should be listening to instead of the so called experts. She is wondering why hydroxichloriquine isn't more readily available - has to be some sort of a conspiracy. She also said she just has a technical degree, but that she was gifted with common sense - something that is in short supply these days. It was a very thorough rant.
She is someone that I actually like and I am really sorry to know this side of her. Later I went back to check and see if people were still responding to her post and saw that she deleted her account. I think it's a hard time to be a Trumper. He lost the election and Covid didn't go away right after the election like they said it would.
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Post by Miss Lerins Momma on Nov 29, 2020 4:10:01 GMT
It’s insane isn’t it? Dealing with a similar situation with some family members right now... not a Covid death but someone in the icu with COVID. Still being invited to family gatherings. We have to keep saying “no thanks, some other time”. People. Just. Don’t. Get. It.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2020 4:20:23 GMT
They really can not wrap their mind around altruistic motives. It makes absolutely no sense to them. My Gen Z-ers have a saying when it comes to talking about Boomers and some Gen X-ers "I really don't know how to convince you to care about other people." I used to laugh, but now I kind of get it. |
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Post by ComplicatedLady on Nov 29, 2020 4:28:06 GMT
Sigh.
This.
I’m not sure how to make people care.
Numerous health care workers and leaders have said how dangerous COVID-19 is and yet, people don’t seem to believe it.
I’m not sure how to make people realize it’s true and to make people care.
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Post by Anita on Nov 29, 2020 5:49:12 GMT
I completely understand. We just lost our second family member to covid in a week. One of them hung out in a group of eight friends, unmasked because freedom, and five of the eight are now dead. You would think that would be a damn clue. But a bunch of my other family members are still anti-masking all over Facebook. I'm done with a lot of them. I've deleted a bunch of people on my Facebook today. Fuck them. Seriously.
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Post by LeaP on Nov 29, 2020 6:48:54 GMT
I have heard many stories from medical professionals about people in the hospital—on vents—still denying that covid is real. So...yeah...nothing surprises me anymore.  If you read the history of the 1918 pandemic, we were just as foolish back then. It is scary and sad. |
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Post by hookturnian on Nov 29, 2020 11:59:40 GMT
Some retailers are asking, prior to admission to their stores for ID to confirm that they are local people and are saying NO to people from the locked-down areas. "This is a local shop for local people. There's nothing for you here" Sorry, I'll get my coat. |
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Post by sueg on Nov 29, 2020 13:01:17 GMT
I have heard many stories from medical professionals about people in the hospital—on vents—still denying that covid is real. So...yeah...nothing surprises me anymore. If you read the history of the 1918 pandemic, we were just as foolish back then. It is scary and sad. The scary thing is that we haven’t learned in the intervening 100 years. I can almost understand people in 1918 being in denial as scientific knowledge wasn’t as well understood or advanced back then. But we have discovered so much in the past century, but people don’t believe it. |
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Post by t2x on Nov 29, 2020 13:01:57 GMT
Some retailers are asking, prior to admission to their stores for ID to confirm that they are local people and are saying NO to people from the locked-down areas. "This is a local shop for local people. There's nothing for you here" Sorry, I'll get my coat. “This is a local shop. The strangers you would bring would not understand us, our customs, our local ways.”  Wait for me, hookturnian! |
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Post by pyccku on Nov 29, 2020 13:10:04 GMT
If you read the history of the 1918 pandemic, we were just as foolish back then. It is scary and sad. The scary thing is that we haven’t learned in the intervening 100 years. I can almost understand people in 1918 being in denial as scientific knowledge wasn’t as well understood or advanced back then. But we have discovered so much in the past century, but people don’t believe it. But they aren’t interested in the science. They want what they want, and no amount of data or explanation is going to change that. Why do you think so many of them are part of the leopards eating peoples’ faces party? in the end, people are going to do what they want to do. A sizable chunk of the population is unable to understand cause and effect well enough, and definitely don’t get delayed gratification. Why should they give up dining at Cracker Barrel today just because there’s a chance they might die 3 weeks from now? (Picking on cb because we drove past it twice and both times it was packed.) |
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Post by peabay on Nov 29, 2020 13:14:55 GMT
I'm going to say that I have seen that there are a lot of people who can not understand why anyone in their right mind would do something that benefits others. All they can understand is acting to benefit themselves. They really can not wrap their mind around altruistic motives. It makes absolutely no sense to them.
From there it is an easy jump to deciding not to bother with one because it is an annoyance to wear. Not saying it is my way of thinking, but it makes it much more understandable. A known negative vs. a potential negative. They choose the potential, cause maybe it won't happen. It's like never developing the skill of empathy. Some people just don't. There is no forcing that. You either get it, or you don't. It's helped me not to waste my energy. I just use my energy and resources to stay away from them, in every possible way. Yes. I've seen this myself and it's people who I've always seen this in. The people who shove their kids to the front of the lines; who grab the last of something without thinking of other people. I guarantee there's a straight line between the people who hoarded toilet paper or sold Lysol for a markup on eBay and those who won't wear masks. What's ironic is this people call themselves Christians, I'm sure. |
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Nov 29, 2020 13:50:58 GMT
They really can not wrap their mind around altruistic motives. It makes absolutely no sense to them. My Gen Z-ers have a saying when it comes to talking about Boomers and some Gen X-ers "I really don't know how to convince you to care about other people." I used to laugh, but now I kind of get it. Some Gen-Xers? So, then all Boomers? |
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Post by lisae on Nov 29, 2020 14:09:13 GMT
I completely understand. We just lost our second family member to covid in a week. One of them hung out in a group of eight friends, unmasked because freedom, and five of the eight are now dead. You would think that would be a damn clue. But a bunch of my other family members are still anti-masking all over Facebook. I'm done with a lot of them. I've deleted a bunch of people on my Facebook today. Fuck them. Seriously. I'm sorry for your loss. I've held onto the belief that people will eventually see the reality of the situation even if it takes the death of someone they know but clearly that doesn't change anything either. |
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Post by sassyangel on Nov 29, 2020 16:30:26 GMT
They really can not wrap their mind around altruistic motives. It makes absolutely no sense to them. My Gen Z-ers have a saying when it comes to talking about Boomers and some Gen X-ers "I really don't know how to convince you to care about other people." I used to laugh, but now I kind of get it. Can we not do this? Honestly, from where I sit in ND, it’s taking some fairly callous and stupid behaviour from *all* generations to get us to the mess we are in. |
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Post by peabay on Nov 29, 2020 17:28:53 GMT
My Gen Z-ers have a saying when it comes to talking about Boomers and some Gen X-ers "I really don't know how to convince you to care about other people." I used to laugh, but now I kind of get it. Can we not do this? Honestly, from where I sit in ND, it’s taking some fairly callous and stupid behaviour from *all* generations to get us to the mess we are in. I agree. I have two millennial daughters; two Gen Z daughters. My Gen Z daughters complain all the time about their peers who are partying like nothing has happened. |
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Post by sam9 on Nov 29, 2020 17:37:27 GMT
All generations indeed can be thick-headed. I was at my local grocery store Friday afternoon, next up at the cash and waiting to load my groceries on the counter. We still have stickers on the floor here to mark our spots. The old man (70-ish) behind me comes to stand right beside me, like literally close enough for us to share a kiss, and then proceeds to sneeze directly in my face. Yes, we were both wearing masks and he realized the second it happened what he had done (my eyes might have been a big clue) and jumped back to where he was supposed to be. I regret I didn’t take a pic of him and just hope he doesn’t have covid and that, if he does, masks work really well.
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Post by tincin on Nov 29, 2020 17:48:52 GMT
All generations indeed can be thick-headed. I was at my local grocery store Friday afternoon, next up at the cash and waiting to load my groceries on the counter. We still have stickers on the floor here to mark our spots. The old man (70-ish) behind me comes to stand right beside me, like literally close enough for us to share a kiss, and then proceeds to sneeze directly in my face. Yes, we were both wearing masks and he realized the second it happened what he had done (my eyes might have been a big clue) and jumped back to where he was supposed to be. I regret I didn’t take a pic of him and just hope he doesn’t have covid and that, if he does, masks work really well. I now pull my cart in behind me when I check out. I’ve never had a person in front of me in line crowd me. I think it’s easier to keep the fool behind me 6’ away with a cart between us. |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Nov 29, 2020 17:53:33 GMT
All generations indeed can be thick-headed. I was at my local grocery store Friday afternoon, next up at the cash and waiting to load my groceries on the counter. We still have stickers on the floor here to mark our spots. The old man (70-ish) behind me comes to stand right beside me, like literally close enough for us to share a kiss, and then proceeds to sneeze directly in my face. Yes, we were both wearing masks and he realized the second it happened what he had done (my eyes might have been a big clue) and jumped back to where he was supposed to be. I regret I didn’t take a pic of him and just hope he doesn’t have covid and that, if he does, masks work really well. I now pull my cart in behind me when I check out. I’ve never had a person in front of me in line crowd me. I think it’s easier to keep the fool behind me 6’ away with a cart between us. Good idea. I rarely go into a store but dang people just don’t get it. |
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Post by sam9 on Nov 29, 2020 18:04:35 GMT
All generations indeed can be thick-headed. I was at my local grocery store Friday afternoon, next up at the cash and waiting to load my groceries on the counter. We still have stickers on the floor here to mark our spots. The old man (70-ish) behind me comes to stand right beside me, like literally close enough for us to share a kiss, and then proceeds to sneeze directly in my face. Yes, we were both wearing masks and he realized the second it happened what he had done (my eyes might have been a big clue) and jumped back to where he was supposed to be. I regret I didn’t take a pic of him and just hope he doesn’t have covid and that, if he does, masks work really well. I now pull my cart in behind me when I check out. I’ve never had a person in front of me in line crowd me. I think it’s easier to keep the fool behind me 6’ away with a cart between us. Believe me, I do too - my cart is always behind me, even before Covid (I hate people bumping their carts into my ankles). He walked past my cart (and his) and came to stand beside me right squished in at the counter. |
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Post by tincin on Nov 29, 2020 18:22:36 GMT
I now pull my cart in behind me when I check out. I’ve never had a person in front of me in line crowd me. I think it’s easier to keep the fool behind me 6’ away with a cart between us. Believe me, I do too - my cart is always behind me, even before Covid (I hate people bumping their carts into my ankles). He walked past my cart (and his) and came to stand beside me right squished in at the counter. I’m afraid I’d have said something, nicely the first time. I’ve gotten to the point that I have asked people to give me room. |
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 29, 2020 18:29:28 GMT
I am sorry for your loss.
Yeah, it's your choice (we're not arresting people here for not doing it), but it's a stupid choice and you deserve to be shunned and shamed for it.
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If you read the history of the 1918 pandemic, we were just as foolish back then. It is scary and sad. 
