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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 19:53:34 GMT
I am so sad that this happened.
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Post by Really Red on Dec 24, 2020 20:00:45 GMT
Nope, you are right lesserknownpea and I am surprised by those who disagree. Your SM may think she's only exposing herself, but she exposed your dad and who knows how many countless others with her need to go to Mass when there were other options available. That is reckless and frustrating. And for those of you who think SM has that right? WTF? This is a giant burden on everyone now and people can DIE because of one person's selfishness.
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Post by peaname on Dec 25, 2020 16:55:44 GMT
I am so sorry. I am on a task force at my church and we have met once a week, via Zoom, for months now with one topic "Are we ready to go back to in-person worship?". Every week the answer is no because our state and our county's numbers are just too horrendous. We also know that the first people in the door, if we were to open to in-person worship, would be those elderly people who should NOT be there. It is such a tough call.... on one hand, we know that a lot of our congregation are elderly, lonely and need personal interaction. On the other hand, yeah, COVID! My pastor says no because he knows there are elderly members who will go to in person worship as soon as we have it and they should not. And therefore he gets hate email from some of them saying he’s bowing to our governor.
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Post by scrapmaven on Dec 25, 2020 17:23:53 GMT
You have every right to be furious. May your dad heal well w/o the need for the hospital.
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Post by Merge on Dec 25, 2020 17:26:03 GMT
I’m so sorry. My best wishes for a good outcome for both of them.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Dec 25, 2020 17:52:06 GMT
My MIL is 82 and has full use of her faculties. She lives alone. Both sons live more than 600 miles away. Daughter is closer but they do not have a relationship. Grandchildren an hour away, but have young children and work. so definitely outside the protection bubble. At this point, she has let us know she doesn't care. She is so lonely that the risk is worth it to her. My BIL flew down with his daughter this week to spend the holiday with her. That's about as risky as it gets. I have the luxury of being in a household with other people. I know it's frustrating, but I'm trying to have some understanding for those who are really struggling with the isolation. This in no way excuses her putting your father at risk
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 25, 2020 18:30:35 GMT
Our temple has not been open for anything in person since the beginning of March.
I wish every house of worship were being that careful. I am sorry about your dad.
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Post by destined2bmom on Dec 25, 2020 18:57:22 GMT
I am really sorry and I am keeping your family in my prayers.
I am going to tell you that I have noticed people in their 70’s and 80’s who live around here do not like staying home or told what to do. I call one of my friend’s mom, the Onery mom. Because she has gone everywhere and done whatever she has wanted and not used any hand sanitizer. She told my friend and her cousin that no one was going to tell her what to do. We are talking 5 hour shopping excursions. Late last week, she began experiencing symptoms. She is now waiting to see if she is Covid-19 positive. My friend is refusing to go to her house for Christmas. I don’t know about my friend’s siblings.
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Post by msliz on Dec 25, 2020 19:00:16 GMT
I'm so sorry. My mother is another one like that. It's frustrating.
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Post by birukitty on Dec 26, 2020 0:13:13 GMT
I am so sorry. I am on a task force at my church and we have met once a week, via Zoom, for months now with one topic "Are we ready to go back to in-person worship?". Every week the answer is no because our state and our county's numbers are just too horrendous. We also know that the first people in the door, if we were to open to in-person worship, would be those elderly people who should NOT be there. It is such a tough call.... on one hand, we know that a lot of our congregation are elderly, lonely and need personal interaction. On the other hand, yeah, COVID! My pastor says no because he knows there are elderly members who will go to in person worship as soon as we have it and they should not. And therefore he gets hate email from some of them saying he’s bowing to our governor. What a lovely way for Christians to behave towards their own pastor. (said with heavy sarcasm of course). Un freaking believable.
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Post by nlwilkins on Dec 26, 2020 0:35:36 GMT
Age is no excuse for ignoring safety. Just because you may not have that much longer to live does not make it right to take others with you. By ignoring safety procedures and not staying home, that is what one is doing.
My husband is 78 and I am 70, life is not easy at that age being alone is not easy, but we do it. My husband is very careful when he has to get out to get parts and the supplies he needs to keep our house and cars running. He wears masks, gloves and will not allow people close to him. We do the same when going to drs. appts. But because of the exposure for these things, we limit other risks. It has become a balancing act of keeping the risks as low as possible.
Going to church is not something that we feel necessary to maintain our faith. There are so many other ways to worship other than in person. I just cannot understand the mentality of those who use religion as an excuse to socialize in person. My faith is sustained in other ways that do not involve risking lives and health needlessly.
I also want to address the issue of children parenting parents. If I come to a point where my children need to talk to me about my behavior, then I hope they will do so. They are in their 40's and I am proud of how they have matured. They know I listen to them when they question my behavior and when they point our things that I am doing that are wrong. Just as they listen to me when I do the same. We are adults and respect each other's opinions. Sometimes there are things I am not aware of or have not thought about that needs addressing. I welcome their viewpoint. Of course not everyone has that respect or trust in their family. It is something that has to be nurtured and come from love. If there is a history of this, then when needed it works.
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Post by Baseballmom23 on Dec 26, 2020 0:36:58 GMT
I am so sorry. I am on a task force at my church and we have met once a week, via Zoom, for months now with one topic "Are we ready to go back to in-person worship?". Every week the answer is no because our state and our county's numbers are just too horrendous. We also know that the first people in the door, if we were to open to in-person worship, would be those elderly people who should NOT be there. It is such a tough call.... on one hand, we know that a lot of our congregation are elderly, lonely and need personal interaction. On the other hand, yeah, COVID! My pastor says no because he knows there are elderly members who will go to in person worship as soon as we have it and they should not. And therefore he gets hate email from some of them saying he’s bowing to our governor. I had to convince my 93 yo mom that God was fine with her not going in person and receiving communion. That if she watched on her TV (she doesn't have a computer) it was fine. This was when the churches were shut down back in late spring. And she was good. Then she runs into two other elderly ladies from church at the store and they tell her that the church reopened and where had she been. And she wanted to go. After much discussion, she finally understood that I worried about others not adhering to the guidelines and her getting sick. That she understood. I update her on what the weekly online bulletin reads and she is still good with it.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Dec 26, 2020 10:56:48 GMT
There are so many other ways to worship other than in person. I just cannot understand the mentality of those who use religion as an excuse to socialize in person. This! Thank you. While I don’t doubt SM’s faith, from my previous visits, I know that morning mass is her primary social life. She and her friends visit before and after and share food. Of course she would miss it, but being safe is more important. They are are still sick, my dad especially. He’s had days he’s completely out of it, with his Oxygen in the mid 80’s. The doctor sent oxygen to be used at home. I’m beyond worried and feel so helpless. I FaceTimed him a little today, and he’s coughing so much, and can barely speak. Every time I talk with him I wonder if it will be the last. I know I sound melodramatic, but his fight with lung cancer a few years back was touch and go, and his continuing struggle with COPD is painful to witness. I can only hope he can come through this, too.
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Post by destined2bmom on Dec 26, 2020 11:33:39 GMT
lesserknownpea Have the doctors given him any instructions on when he should go to the hospital? It sounds like he needs to at least go to the ER. Do they call and talk to him or SM to check on him? A friend’s BF in CA got the virus and a nurse called him every day and then one day told him to go to the ER. PS I didn’t want to like your latest post; but I wanted to let you know that I read it.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Dec 26, 2020 18:25:50 GMT
lesserknownpea Have the doctors given him any instructions on when he should go to the hospital? It sounds like he needs to at least go to the ER. Do they call and talk to him or SM to check on him? A friend’s BF in CA got the virus and a nurse called him every day and then one day told him to go to the ER. PS I didn’t want to like your latest post; but I wanted to let you know that I read it. They have been talking on the phone with the doctor everyday for a week. They use a pulse ox to keep him informed of his sats. I assume if he gets to a certain point they’ll have him go to the hospital, but they are short on beds. Thank you for your concern.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 18:32:29 GMT
lesserknownpea : I am SO sorry!!! How careless and reckless of her!!!!!!!!!!!!! My gosh! Since my DH has a long list of medical issues (cancer/chemo/removing his tumor & some organs in August; emphysema & COPD; diabetes; HBP; high cholesterol; sleep apnea; arthritis, etc....................), I've been making sure that he remains in his safe bubble here at home (only goes to doctors or hospitals if absolutely necessary!).
I go to occasional doctors and I do have to run to the food store, unfortunately....... I haven't gotten my hair cut in over a year. I WILL NOT take a chance with anything. I also have asthma and lung issues, but I worry much more about him. His immune system is so very fragile.
I'm mad that your father's wife could have thought that it was somehow safe to go to actual church. WTF? ?? Makes NO sense. I'm SO very sorry!!! I'd be livid too. Prayers that your dad will be okay!!! Hugs to you!
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Post by FLA SummerBaby on Dec 26, 2020 18:48:44 GMT
I absolutely validate your frustration and anger. I hope and pray he recovers fully and quickly.
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Post by pierogi on Dec 26, 2020 19:35:13 GMT
I'll validate you as well. Your father is in an extremely vulnerable group when it comes to Covid, and nobody should have been taking chances with his health or life. I'm a practicing Catholic as well, and I find her behavior inexcusable. Marriage is a sacrament as much as communion, and she put her selfishness above him. There is no defending what she did. I know watching mass on TV doesn't feel the same, but in times like these, parishioners still receive the same grace, even if they aren't there in person. Praying for your dad that he beats the odds.
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Post by deekaye on Dec 28, 2020 3:40:26 GMT
I am so sorry. I am on a task force at my church and we have met once a week, via Zoom, for months now with one topic "Are we ready to go back to in-person worship?". Every week the answer is no because our state and our county's numbers are just too horrendous. We also know that the first people in the door, if we were to open to in-person worship, would be those elderly people who should NOT be there. It is such a tough call.... on one hand, we know that a lot of our congregation are elderly, lonely and need personal interaction. On the other hand, yeah, COVID! My pastor says no because he knows there are elderly members who will go to in person worship as soon as we have it and they should not. And therefore he gets hate email from some of them saying he’s bowing to our governor. Oh my gosh, we've gotten phones calls and emails from a few of our members also saying we are just following the governor (uh, yeah we are!) and also a couple who have pulled the "you're just scared" card. I don't understand that silly comment... shouldn't we all be a bit scared of what is happening? Shouldn't we be a bit scared that if we open our church up to in-person worship that the first ones through the door will be the elderly with immunocompromised illnesses? Shouldn't we be scared that until we take this seriously, more and more people are going to die??? Sorry, this has been a hot topic today as it is Sunday and once again I've had to answer a few emails about why we aren't meeting in person yet because, unfortunately, the church across the street from us is... Thankfully, the majority of the congregation understands and agrees with not yet meeting in-person.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Dec 28, 2020 3:44:46 GMT
deekaye stay strong. Why anyone would want to risk infecting the fragile among us when the vaccine is almost here, and there is a light at the end of the tunnel, I don’t know.
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