katybee
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Post by katybee on Jan 2, 2021 21:09:22 GMT
I can’t decide whether or not to be offended...
For reference, it was said by a school board member in a discussion about opening schools during the pandemic—a discussion in which this so-called “human capital” (i.e. teachers) were not invited to be part of.
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Post by ntsf on Jan 2, 2021 21:19:02 GMT
it takes away the individual humanity of people and pretends they are clogs in a gear...the taylor school of management circa 1911.
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Post by catmom on Jan 2, 2021 21:19:36 GMT
They referred to a person as human capital? That’s super weird. I understood it to mean the knowledge and experience an organization has access to (because of their people), not people themselves. Either they don’t know how the word should be used (or I’m wrong) or he doesn’t even want to acknowledge as actual people.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jan 2, 2021 21:21:04 GMT
I’d be offended.
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katybee
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Post by katybee on Jan 2, 2021 21:27:31 GMT
They referred to a person as human capital? That’s super weird. I understood it to mean the knowledge and experience an organization has access to (because of their people), not people themselves. Either they don’t know how the word should be used (or I’m wrong) or he doesn’t even want to acknowledge as actual people. Here’s the quote (about possible school closures): In addition, (our district) has a responsibility to educate our students with the resources (top-tier human capital & world class facilities) our community has come to expect and invested in for many years. This particular board member has shown many times before that she does not support teachers. So, a lot of teachers in my district are HOT about this comment (she wants to keep schools open at all costs, no matter how high our infection rate goes and against the specific wishes of our local health department). At least she called us “top-tier”...
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 2, 2021 21:50:38 GMT
They referred to a person as human capital? That’s super weird. I understood it to mean the knowledge and experience an organization has access to (because of their people), not people themselves. Either they don’t know how the word should be used (or I’m wrong) or he doesn’t even want to acknowledge as actual people. Here’s the quote (about possible school closures): In addition, (our district) has a responsibility to educate our students with the resources (top-tier human capital & world class facilities) our community has come to expect and invested in for many years. This particular board member has shown many times before that she does not support teachers. So, a lot of teachers in my district are HOT about this comment (she wants to keep schools open at all costs, no matter how high our infection rate goes and against the specific wishes of our local health department). At least she called us “top-tier”... She said top-tier, but you and I both know that people like this consider us “the help.”
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Post by peano on Jan 2, 2021 21:55:22 GMT
I would think that if this is a school board member, then their day job is dealing with widgets in a corporation. Not terribly appealing and I agree, very offensive, but I guess I would be more alarmed if a school administrator were talking like this. I like my school administrators to be warm and fuzzy, since they deal with children.
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Post by idahopea on Jan 2, 2021 22:00:08 GMT
They referred to a person as human capital? That’s super weird. I understood it to mean the knowledge and experience an organization has access to (because of their people), not people themselves. Either they don’t know how the word should be used (or I’m wrong) or he doesn’t even want to acknowledge as actual people. Here’s the quote (about possible school closures): In addition, (our district) has a responsibility to educate our students with the resources (top-tier human capital & world class facilities) our community has come to expect and invested in for many years. This particular board member has shown many times before that she does not support teachers. So, a lot of teachers in my district are HOT about this comment (she wants to keep schools open at all costs, no matter how high our infection rate goes and against the specific wishes of our local health department). At least she called us “top-tier”... Could it be that she was trying to be inclusive of all the adults who work in your schools (teachers, administrators, custodians, para-pros, etc.)? A weird word for sure!
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Post by peasapie on Jan 2, 2021 22:02:46 GMT
I would think that if this is a school board member, then their day job is dealing with widgets in a corporation. Not terribly appealing and I agree, very offensive, but I guess I would be more alarmed if a school administrator were talking like this. I like my school administrators to be warm and fuzzy, since they deal with children. Exactly what I was thinking. This individual seems far removed from knowing how to speak to humans. I honestly have never heard anyone use that expression toward living beings; only in an esoteric sense.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 2, 2021 22:11:40 GMT
Just plain weird!!
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DEX
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Post by DEX on Jan 2, 2021 22:11:53 GMT
Human capital is a corporate HR buzz word. Lots of corporations use it. It is suppose to convey that the school board values its teachers, kitchen workers, etc. the way they would value the tangible things like buildings, cars, etc. It is suppose to show that you value people just as much (or more) than property. All in all it is part of the organization.
Oxford dictionary definition:
hu·man cap·i·tal /ˈ(h)yo͞omən ˈkapədl/ noun the skills, knowledge, and experience possessed by an individual or population, viewed in terms of their value or cost to an organization or country.
To me it is stupid. Just call them personnel.
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craftykitten
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Post by craftykitten on Jan 2, 2021 22:17:12 GMT
You’re not an object that they own, that’s horrible.
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Post by Jili on Jan 2, 2021 23:47:38 GMT
Horrible wording. They very well could have said “top-tier educators” or “top-tier teaching staff”.
Given the background information you gave, they don’t want to humanize the staff in this statement. My guess is that this word was not chosen inadvertently.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 2, 2021 23:48:46 GMT
You’re not an object that they own, that’s horrible. The attitude of many (including many school board members) is that we ARE, in essence, "owned" by taxpayers.
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 2, 2021 23:51:26 GMT
Yeah, I'd take issue with it.
As association president, I go to all the school board meetings. If they have one. I'm there, if they try to hold one without the public, I'd file a grievance as they aren't usually allowed to do that here (there are some exceptions).
So far, I haven't had to fight our school board, although things have gotten a little heated at times
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Post by birukitty on Jan 2, 2021 23:52:13 GMT
It would make me feel like a slave. Like an object. What a completely horrible word to use.
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AmeliaBloomer
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 3, 2021 0:08:24 GMT
Putting the word “human” in the phrase, ironically, dehumanizes it.
It seems to be meant to mean “assets that are people,” but, lawdy, there are better ways to say that without calling to mind some sort of indentured worker hive.
In my experience, school board members who trot out corporate speak to be fancy pants know-it-alls are often Human ... hmm... Waste?
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Post by hookturnian on Jan 3, 2021 0:18:26 GMT
It's been in use in HR circles for quite a while. I worked in a Human Capital department in South Africa about 15 years ago. The thinking is that a resource is something you use up and discard when no longer useful, whereas capital is an investment.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 3, 2021 0:46:47 GMT
I would be deeply offended. I am a person with my own life, and people who depend on me and love me. I am not expendable. That is what that statement implies. That those teachers are EXPENDABLE. That their lives Do. Not. Matter. That they are replaceable.
No. That is not how we treat fellow humans and employees. That language and mentality needs to be shut down now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 1:01:55 GMT
It's been in use in HR circles for quite a while. I worked in a Human Capital department in South Africa about 15 years ago. The thinking is that a resource is something you use up and discard when no longer useful, whereas capital is an investment. This. The phrase is not personal. Capital is considered to be a valued commodity to the organization they are a part of. The organization invests in you as capital (salary, insurance, 403b, retirement benefits, etc.). Slaves or hired help don't get those things. Yes, "human capital" is a current corporate buzzword but in the grand scheme of things there are more important things to get offended by than being referred to as "human capital".
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Post by hop2 on Jan 3, 2021 4:01:05 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 4:18:01 GMT
I'd be slightly offended and let it go if it's from a board member. The higher in pecking order, the more they seem to love their trendy jargon and buzzwords, IMO. And working in a semi-relaxed corporate setting, I could find a LOT of terminology I could be offended about if I wanted to. Absolutely wish focus could be on the actual, unique humans.
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Post by busy on Jan 3, 2021 4:26:12 GMT
They referred to a person as human capital? That’s super weird. I understood it to mean the knowledge and experience an organization has access to (because of their people), not people themselves. Either they don’t know how the word should be used (or I’m wrong) or he doesn’t even want to acknowledge as actual people. Here’s the quote (about possible school closures): In addition, (our district) has a responsibility to educate our students with the resources (top-tier human capital & world class facilities) our community has come to expect and invested in for many years. This particular board member has shown many times before that she does not support teachers. So, a lot of teachers in my district are HOT about this comment (she wants to keep schools open at all costs, no matter how high our infection rate goes and against the specific wishes of our local health department). At least she called us “top-tier”... I wouldn't be offended at that usage. It's a heck of a lot more concise than listing all the roles that are being referred to, but leaving any roles off for brevity would inevitably cause hurt feelings. What would your preferred language be in this statement? ETA: I think you're pissed about the board member and the potential about schools reopening. Which is totally justifiable. I suspect if the same wording were used in a more positive context, no one would be bothered by it.
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Post by gsquaredmom on Jan 3, 2021 5:49:54 GMT
Here’s the quote (about possible school closures): In addition, (our district) has a responsibility to educate our students with the resources (top-tier human capital & world class facilities) our community has come to expect and invested in for many years. This particular board member has shown many times before that she does not support teachers. So, a lot of teachers in my district are HOT about this comment (she wants to keep schools open at all costs, no matter how high our infection rate goes and against the specific wishes of our local health department). At least she called us “top-tier”... I wouldn't be offended at that usage. It's a heck of a lot more concise than listing all the roles that are being referred to, but leaving any roles off for brevity would inevitably cause hurt feelings. What would your preferred language be in this statement? ETA: I think you're pissed about the board member and the potential about schools reopening. Which is totally justifiable. I suspect if the same wording were used in a more positive context, no one would be bothered by it. I’d be offended no matter the context.
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MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Jan 3, 2021 6:39:52 GMT
Dehumanized.
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Post by miominmio on Jan 3, 2021 6:53:42 GMT
It would not sit well with me. It brings me back to the time when rich people thought of us lesser folks as just a means to a cushy life for them. Wait! It’s still like that!
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Post by lesserknownpea on Jan 3, 2021 8:34:17 GMT
I’m going to play devils advocate here. Not that I love this terminology. However, when I have heard it used before, the context really conveyed a more dignified idea than property. As mentioned above, the value of human personnel is in the future, the potential. I remember reading about members of the wealthy who made it a point to live on their interest income, and “Never touch the capital!” I don’t think it’s meant to be demeaning.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 11:14:11 GMT
Here’s the quote (about possible school closures): In addition, (our district) has a responsibility to educate our students with the resources (top-tier human capital & world class facilities) our community has come to expect and invested in for many years. This particular board member has shown many times before that she does not support teachers. So, a lot of teachers in my district are HOT about this comment (she wants to keep schools open at all costs, no matter how high our infection rate goes and against the specific wishes of our local health department). At least she called us “top-tier”... I wouldn't be offended at that usage. It's a heck of a lot more concise than listing all the roles that are being referred to, but leaving any roles off for brevity would inevitably cause hurt feelings. What would your preferred language be in this statement?
ETA: I think you're pissed about the board member and the potential about schools reopening. Which is totally justifiable. I suspect if the same wording were used in a more positive context, no one would be bothered by it. How about personnel or members of staff ? In addition, (our district) has a responsibility to educate our students with the resources (top-tier personnel/ members of staff & world class facilities) our community has come to expect and invested in for many years.
Sounds much more " human" than speaking of their staff as chattels.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jan 3, 2021 14:31:12 GMT
It's been in use in HR circles for quite a while. I worked in a Human Capital department in South Africa about 15 years ago. The thinking is that a resource is something you use up and discard when no longer useful, whereas capital is an investment. This. The phrase is not personal. Capital is considered to be a valued commodity to the organization they are a part of. The organization invests in you as capital (salary, insurance, 403b, retirement benefits, etc.). Slaves or hired help don't get those things. Yes, "human capital" is a current corporate buzzword but in the grand scheme of things there are more important things to get offended by than being referred to as "human capital". Of course there are more important things to be offended by. But the topic is this particular phrase and what personal reaction it provokes. And it’s emblematic of a larger, historical communication problem between school boards and teachers. (I taught in public schools 30+ years and was a union president; hence, decades of board members, committees, contract negotiations.) There is a certain type of board member who consistently ruffles teacher feathers: the corporate guy who comes in gangbusters - super confident that he can fix the district if he applies his skill set, and equally confident he knows everything there is to know about schools, simply by dint of the fact that he went to school. A lot. Twenty years ago. He might know finance and TIFs and such, but he’s equally confident he knows why Johnny can’t read. He at best views teachers as glorified babysitters and at worst views them with contempt. (Watch his reaction when asked if he’s ever recommended teaching as a career to his own kids.) So it rankles (or confuses) when he keeps lobbing corporate jargon. “Hit the ground running” (because he thinks we show up straight from the pool on Day One). Earnest claims that teachers just need to “buy in” and “think outside the box.” (What a novel idea!) Talk of “our stakeholders.” (Who? parents? kids? taxpayers?) Cumulatively, encounters with this type of person, especially over many years, creates an impression. We believe he condescends. And language is a part of that: hence, the personal reactions seen on this thread. So we bristle at “moving parts” when they try to explain teaching to us and “human capital” within the context of possibly endangering/sacrificing that capital in a pandemic. Words matter - especially when the listener isn’t even sure what they mean so she has to ask here. That said, I fully acknowledge that “educationese” itself can be wincingly off-putting and I dearly hope it doesn’t ever leak into the corporate world because they would ALSO be mighty confused. Hell, I often think it has no place in education. Say what you mean; don’t make it sound shinier by using words others will misunderstand. I also acknowledge that there is a way I could have said this with many fewer words myself ... but that’s Ameliaese for ya’.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 3, 2021 14:48:10 GMT
I think context is highly important here.
When you refer to your teaching staff as human capital but don't include them in a highly important conversation or decision making process, you're dehumanizing and disenfranchising them.
Essentially, in this instance, they're being considered as "property" or "asset."
Those of us who have teaching/school experience know a shitty school board member when we hear one.
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