pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Jan 23, 2021 3:19:08 GMT
The shit that is coming out is fucking frightening.
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Post by FurryP on Jan 23, 2021 3:27:41 GMT
What a sad, desperate, delusional, little man.
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Post by SAHM wannabe on Jan 23, 2021 3:37:31 GMT
This might explain why Barr resigned. That shit was too f’d up even for him.
It’s probably a good thing the impeachment trial is delayed for 2 weeks. By then there will be so much evidence that the reasonable Republican Senators won’t be able to sugarcoat the facts.
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Post by freecharlie on Jan 23, 2021 3:45:54 GMT
This might explain why Barr resigned. That shit was too f’d up even for him. It’s probably a good thing the impeachment trial is delayed for 2 weeks. By then there will be so much evidence that the reasonable Republican Senators won’t be able to sugarcoat the facts. I think the Lincoln Project will go after any Senator that doesn't vote to convict
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jan 23, 2021 4:17:50 GMT
This might explain why Barr resigned. That shit was too f’d up even for him. It’s probably a good thing the impeachment trial is delayed for 2 weeks. By then there will be so much evidence that the reasonable Republican Senators won’t be able to sugarcoat the facts. Republicans are moving away from wanting impeachment—regardless of what comes out.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 23, 2021 6:08:04 GMT
This might explain why Barr resigned. That shit was too f’d up even for him. It’s probably a good thing the impeachment trial is delayed for 2 weeks. By then there will be so much evidence that the reasonable Republican Senators won’t be able to sugarcoat the facts. Republicans are moving away from wanting impeachment—regardless of what comes out. However they are more likely to follow McConnell if he goes for guilty.
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Post by amom23 on Jan 23, 2021 8:06:01 GMT
This might explain why Barr resigned. That shit was too f’d up even for him. It’s probably a good thing the impeachment trial is delayed for 2 weeks. By then there will be so much evidence that the reasonable Republican Senators won’t be able to sugarcoat the facts. Republicans are moving away from wanting impeachment—regardless of what comes out. Yes, but the reporting from the NYT tonight is REALLY bad. Like not sure how the republicans can spin it any other way bad. It also very likely is just the tip of the iceberg for what else will be exposed in the coming days and weeks. Trump himself created election fraud.
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Post by wellway on Jan 23, 2021 8:49:09 GMT
The one good thing Trump has done for America is shown how it is possible to upend democracy. If he had been brighter, more palatable, less petty he might have got away with it.
With the same system the next guy with dictator ambitions might just do it.
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Post by mlynn on Jan 23, 2021 8:55:53 GMT
Republicans are moving away from wanting impeachment—regardless of what comes out. Yes, but the reporting from the NYT tonight is REALLY bad. Like not sure how the republicans can spin it any other way bad. It also very likely is just the tip of the iceberg for what else will be exposed in the coming days and weeks. Trump himself created election fraud. What is the NYT reporting?
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Post by cade387 on Jan 23, 2021 12:55:47 GMT
Republicans are moving away from wanting impeachment—regardless of what comes out. Yes, but the reporting from the NYT tonight is REALLY bad. Like not sure how the republicans can spin it any other way bad. It also very likely is just the tip of the iceberg for what else will be exposed in the coming days and weeks. Trump himself created election fraud. But the articles of impeachment are solely on inciting the riot/sedition type stuff. They can’t just throw in the election fraud stuff too. That would need to be additional articles sent from the house, right?
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Post by schizo319 on Jan 23, 2021 13:12:32 GMT
Yes, but the reporting from the NYT tonight is REALLY bad. Like not sure how the republicans can spin it any other way bad. It also very likely is just the tip of the iceberg for what else will be exposed in the coming days and weeks. Trump himself created election fraud. But the articles of impeachment are solely on inciting the riot/sedition type stuff. They can’t just throw in the election fraud stuff too. That would need to be additional articles sent from the house, right? I don't know. I would expect that since claims of fraud predicated incitement, a good lawyer could find a way to bring up the fact that he himself attempted fraud. Besides, this isn't like a jury trial where they are expected to stay away from media and only take into consideration what is said in a courtroom - they are receiving briefings and probably know more than we do. Now do I expect that it will cause them all to find him guilty? Nope, because so many of them have decided that their future careers as politicians are more important than the country. Ironic given that their leader's whole shtick was that he was going to "drain the swamp" of career politicians.
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Post by oliquig on Jan 23, 2021 13:36:10 GMT
Yes, but the reporting from the NYT tonight is REALLY bad. Like not sure how the republicans can spin it any other way bad. It also very likely is just the tip of the iceberg for what else will be exposed in the coming days and weeks. Trump himself created election fraud. But the articles of impeachment are solely on inciting the riot/sedition type stuff. They can’t just throw in the election fraud stuff too. That would need to be additional articles sent from the house, right? No, I was listening to an interview with on of the Congress prosecutors last night and they had included everything from refusing to concede, lying about mail in votes, the Georgia phone calls, and basically everything leading up to 1/06.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 23, 2021 13:44:57 GMT
Shocking. We got very lucky, but wow. The NYT story is riveting. I just glanced at Fox News-bupkus. They do have a story about Katie Couric though. 🙄
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 23, 2021 13:50:28 GMT
Here is the first part of the story from the NYT. You get some free articles each month, so if you haven’t used them, you can go read the whole thing. Link: www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/us/politics/jeffrey-clark-trump-justice-department-election.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage“ WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results. The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark. The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed? The answer was unanimous. They would resign. Their informal pact ultimately helped persuade Mr. Trump to keep Mr. Rosen in place, calculating that a furor over mass resignations ”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 13:54:25 GMT
Trump himself created election fraud. Accuse your enemies of that of which you are guilty. Dictator 101
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 23, 2021 14:08:37 GMT
If they’re smart, and want to save their party, they’ll rip the bandaid off trump, impeach him, and then he will be banned from ever holding office again. He will go away, and all this nonsense will end. Their “base” (jesus do I ever hate that word) will be pissed, but they’ll get over it because Americans have short attention spans and they’ll find some other republican to prop up.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 23, 2021 14:10:37 GMT
Here is the first part of the story from the NYT. You get some free articles each month, so if you haven’t used them, you can go read the whole thing. Link: www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/us/politics/jeffrey-clark-trump-justice-department-election.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage“ WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results. The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark. The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed? The answer was unanimous. They would resign. Their informal pact ultimately helped persuade Mr. Trump to keep Mr. Rosen in place, calculating that a furor over mass resignations ” This doesn’t make any sense. Unless he had similar plans in all the other states he lost so that all those overturns would add up to nab him the election. Otherwise, why only focus on Georgia? Alley overturning that election would not have resulted in him winning.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 23, 2021 14:11:05 GMT
This might explain why Barr resigned. That shit was too f’d up even for him. It’s probably a good thing the impeachment trial is delayed for 2 weeks. By then there will be so much evidence that the reasonable Republican Senators won’t be able to sugarcoat the facts. Republicans are moving away from wanting impeachment—regardless of what comes out. It’s disgraceful. They are terrified of being primaried.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 23, 2021 14:12:01 GMT
Here is the first part of the story from the NYT. You get some free articles each month, so if you haven’t used them, you can go read the whole thing. Link: www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/us/politics/jeffrey-clark-trump-justice-department-election.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage“ WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results. The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark. The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed? The answer was unanimous. They would resign. Their informal pact ultimately helped persuade Mr. Trump to keep Mr. Rosen in place, calculating that a furor over mass resignations ” This doesn’t make any sense. Unless he had similar plans in all the other states he lost so that all those overturns would add up to nab him the election. Otherwise, why only focus on Georgia? Alley overturning that election would not have resulted in him winning. 🤷♀️I’m not sure that he was thinking rationally.
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Post by pierkiss on Jan 23, 2021 14:13:35 GMT
This doesn’t make any sense. Unless he had similar plans in all the other states he lost so that all those overturns would add up to nab him the election. Otherwise, why only focus on Georgia? Alley overturning that election would not have resulted in him winning. 🤷♀️I’m not sure that he was thinking rationally. Of course he wasn’t. He didn’t have a rational thought the entire time he was president.
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Post by peabay on Jan 23, 2021 14:14:44 GMT
The one good thing Trump has done for America is shown how it is possible to upend democracy. If he had been brighter, more palatable, less petty he might have got away with it. With the same system the next guy with dictator ambitions might just do it. I think you're right. He was undone by his Twitter rants and is uncontrolled id. Someone more charming and sly could succeed where Trump failed.
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Post by peano on Jan 23, 2021 14:31:55 GMT
Here is the first part of the story from the NYT. You get some free articles each month, so if you haven’t used them, you can go read the whole thing. Link: www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/us/politics/jeffrey-clark-trump-justice-department-election.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage“ WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results. The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark. The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed? The answer was unanimous. They would resign. Their informal pact ultimately helped persuade Mr. Trump to keep Mr. Rosen in place, calculating that a furor over mass resignations ” This doesn’t make any sense. Unless he had similar plans in all the other states he lost so that all those overturns would add up to nab him the election. Otherwise, why only focus on Georgia? Alley overturning that election would not have resulted in him winning. I watched an interview last night with the reporter who wrote this story. The “thinking” from the Trump camp was that if they could get Georgia, the other states he was contesting would somehow fall like dominoes. So crazy, so desperate, so how was this person at the helm for four years.
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Post by Really Red on Jan 23, 2021 14:56:42 GMT
If they’re smart, and want to save their party, they’ll rip the bandaid off trump, impeach him, and then he will be banned from ever holding office again. He will go away, and all this nonsense will end. Their “base” (jesus do I ever hate that word) will be pissed, but they’ll get over it because Americans have short attention spans and they’ll find some other republican to prop up. Read your first three words. I think you have your answer.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 23, 2021 15:52:57 GMT
This doesn’t make any sense. Unless he had similar plans in all the other states he lost so that all those overturns would add up to nab him the election. Otherwise, why only focus on Georgia? Alley overturning that election would not have resulted in him winning. I watched an interview last night with the reporter who wrote this story. The “thinking” from the Trump camp was that if they could get Georgia, the other states he was contesting would somehow fall like dominoes. So crazy, so desperate, so how was this person at the helm for four years. Even now, I am so grateful that we are rid of him. He was really unbalanced after the election.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 16:38:02 GMT
Here is the first part of the story from the NYT. You get some free articles each month, so if you haven’t used them, you can go read the whole thing. Link: www.nytimes.com/2021/01/22/us/politics/jeffrey-clark-trump-justice-department-election.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage“ WASHINGTON — The Justice Department’s top leaders listened in stunned silence this month: One of their peers, they were told, had devised a plan with President Donald J. Trump to oust Jeffrey A. Rosen as acting attorney general and wield the department’s power to force Georgia state lawmakers to overturn its presidential election results. The unassuming lawyer who worked on the plan, Jeffrey Clark, had been devising ways to cast doubt on the election results and to bolster Mr. Trump’s continuing legal battles and the pressure on Georgia politicians. Because Mr. Rosen had refused the president’s entreaties to carry out those plans, Mr. Trump was about to decide whether to fire Mr. Rosen and replace him with Mr. Clark. The department officials, convened on a conference call, then asked each other: What will you do if Mr. Rosen is dismissed? The answer was unanimous. They would resign. Their informal pact ultimately helped persuade Mr. Trump to keep Mr. Rosen in place, calculating that a furor over mass resignations ” This doesn’t make any sense. Unless he had similar plans in all the other states he lost so that all those overturns would add up to nab him the election. Otherwise, why only focus on Georgia? Alley overturning that election would not have resulted in him winning. My theory is that the focus was on GA because of the run off election. If you overturn the results, you don't need the run off and the Senate remains under Republican control.
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Post by hop2 on Jan 23, 2021 19:20:54 GMT
Republicans are moving away from wanting impeachment—regardless of what comes out. Yes, but the reporting from the NYT tonight is REALLY bad. Like not sure how the republicans can spin it any other way bad. It also very likely is just the tip of the iceberg for what else will be exposed in the coming days and weeks. Trump himself created election fraud. When is GA going to file election fraud charges, that’s what I’m waiting for...
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Post by hop2 on Jan 23, 2021 19:27:42 GMT
I watched an interview last night with the reporter who wrote this story. The “thinking” from the Trump camp was that if they could get Georgia, the other states he was contesting would somehow fall like dominoes. So crazy, so desperate, so how was this person at the helm for four years. Even now, I am so grateful that we are rid of him. He was really unbalanced after the election. He was unbalanced in 2016 and everyday since then. Well actually he has been unbalanced since his feud with his brother in the early 1990’s ( if not his whole life ) it went into overdrive in 99 when they started feuding over the old mans money, but that wasn’t as public and evident as it was in 2016. The man has been unbalanced for quite some time.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 23, 2021 19:44:32 GMT
Even now, I am so grateful that we are rid of him. He was really unbalanced after the election. He was unbalanced in 2016 and everyday since then. Well actually he has been unbalanced since his feud with his brother in the early 1990’s ( if not his whole life ) it went into overdrive in 99 when they started feuding over the old mans money, but that wasn’t as public and evident as it was in 2016. The man has been unbalanced fir quite some time. I believe that his behavior after the election was even worse. The absences, the middle of the night rage-filled tweets, his behavior on Jan 6th, attempting to have a stooge at Justice get the GA results overturned, the sudden firings, etc.
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Post by artgirl1 on Jan 23, 2021 19:55:09 GMT
My theory is that the focus was on GA because of the run off election. If you overturn the results, you don't need the run off and the Senate remains under Republican control. Also, because of the Republican Governor and Secretary of state. I suspect he thought he had a better chance at 'controlling' the narrative in GA, then use those as examples as to why there were probably issues in MI and PA. Both MI and PA have democratic governors and Sec of State, and he would not have had as much pull with them. He could also have used the fiasco of the 2018 GA governor race as a basis for 'issues' in the 2020 election. GA was the first step in his pyramid to take down the results. Just my theory
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 23, 2021 20:25:18 GMT
Yes, but the reporting from the NYT tonight is REALLY bad. Like not sure how the republicans can spin it any other way bad. It also very likely is just the tip of the iceberg for what else will be exposed in the coming days and weeks. Trump himself created election fraud. When is GA going to file election fraud charges, that’s what I’m waiting for... Probably waited to draw the papers until after he was truly out of office?!
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