sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Nov 12, 2014 18:12:04 GMT
If so, what was it?
I remember at my brother's funeral, a friend of the family, who was a member of the German Baptist community (sort of Amish-ish), said, "Our God is a powerful God." She looked me in the eye when she said it, gripping my hand.
And you know-- that could have been a disastrous thing to say. Why didn't God's power save my brother and the pain in my family? It could have really been received in a lot of ways. She didn't know my beliefs. She might have assumed, but we never discussed religion.
Anyway, maybe because I knew her, and knew the conviction of her faith... it stuck with me and yes, it was helpful.
I never know what to say to people, other than 'sorry for your loss', or share a good memory I had regarding the deceased.
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Post by lbp on Nov 12, 2014 18:19:36 GMT
When my step sisters husband died in a motorcycle accident there was a pastor and his wife who witnessed the accident and they came to the funeral home for visitation. The pastor's wife said to my step sister "Was he saved? I would hate to think that poor man is going to hell" I was floored. Why would you even think to say such a hurtful thing?
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peabrain
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Post by peabrain on Nov 12, 2014 18:20:09 GMT
Not "said" something. But I was young. After my brother died. Something hit me and I was crying sort of out of the blue. A guy, an acquaintance, saw me and said nothing. And just hugged me. For a long while. And then let me go.
Never said a word.
It felt good to be held. And not to have to explain it.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 12, 2014 18:27:30 GMT
When my FIL died, DH loved the personal comments and stories that told him someone really knew his dad. DH's pet peeve is anyone that made FIL out to be a saint that never did wrong (not that he was a bad guy, but he definitely wasn't perfect). I try to share a kindness the deceased showed me or colorful memory if I have one.
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Post by evelynr on Nov 12, 2014 18:31:41 GMT
My dad passed away earlier this spring. Comforting things said were not so much what was said - as who said them. It felt good hearing from people I knew he was close to - it was just nice to know that they had great memories of him and would miss him too. It's helpful to know that others will think of him often and not let his memory fade away.
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Mystie
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Post by Mystie on Nov 12, 2014 18:33:14 GMT
I remember at my grandmother's visitation, so many of her friends and co-workers shared a special memory of her with me. That just meant the world to me, to kind of see her through other people's eyes and know she was special to them, too.
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Post by monklady123 on Nov 12, 2014 18:35:44 GMT
If so, what was it? I remember at my brother's funeral, a friend of the family, who was a member of the German Baptist community (sort of Amish-ish), said, "Our God is a powerful God." She looked me in the eye when she said it, gripping my hand. And you know-- that could have been a disastrous thing to say. Why didn't God's power save my brother and the pain in my family? It could have really been received in a lot of ways. She didn't know my beliefs. She might have assumed, but we never discussed religion. Anyway, maybe because I knew her, and knew the conviction of her faith... it stuck with me and yes, it was helpful. I never know what to say to people, other than 'sorry for your loss', or share a good memory I had regarding the deceased. Saying "I'm so sorry for your loss" and/or sharing a good memory is just about the best thing I can think of. Particularly UNHELPFUL are: -- God needed another angel. -- God doesn't give us anything we can't handle. -- He/She is in a better place now. -- God's will be done. -- I know exactly how you feel. Ugh.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 18:38:40 GMT
My dad died when I was only 25. I just wanted to hear stories about him from everyone. I wanted to hear how he impacted their lives. He was a GREAT friend and had great friends. Their stories were very comforting to me. I know he wasn't perfect but to this day, I don't want to hear about bad things he did or said. Please keep those to yourself.
In the aftermath, one of the most helpful things someone said was, "Everyone grieves differently. There is no 'wrong' way." I heard that in my head over and over when I felt like I was too sad or sad for too long or cried too much or whatever. People who want you to "remember the good" blah blah blah and move on can suck it. You have my permission to grieve in your own time and way.
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Post by alissa103 on Nov 12, 2014 18:39:46 GMT
Yes, my dad passed away unexpectedly at 51. A friend who lost both parents young told me she was so sorry I was a member of this awful "club" (losing a parent young). Just realizing she understood what I was going through, when none of my other friends really "got it" (although sympathetic), was very comforting. I've since unfortunately had to say the same thing to two friends lately who have lost a parent.
I liked this better than someone saying they understood or had been there. Every situation is different, but the way she worded it as an awful club was just more inclusive and let me draw the meaning, if that makes sense.
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Post by papersilly on Nov 12, 2014 18:44:04 GMT
not after but just before. when my mom was dying after a long illness, I remember my neighbor friend and I were sitting on the front steps of my house. she had just los her husband to esophageal cancer a few months before that and she knew my mom was dying too. I told her I was having a hard time wrapping my head around it all and she said "It's just the cycle of life". she didn't mean it in a dismissive way. it was actually very comforting to me because it meant I was not alone in it all. every day, people are born. people die. we celebrate life and mourn death. as a community, we are never alone in this cycle. I will always remember what she said.
in the past 6 weeks, I have lost 4 very dear people: my FIL, another neighbor friend (cancer), an uncle in law (cancer), and my BIL's brother (cancer) last night. so much loss with all of them, especially my FIL. he was such a good man. my neighbor was such a great father and helpful friend. my BIL's brother was so young and vibrant.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 18:44:22 GMT
I thought it was nice when anyone said they'd heard about the loss of my dad and they were really sorry. I didn't encounter any fake condolences or rude people. They all helped. It made me feel like I had some sort of cushion around me, holding me up.
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Post by ~Zoey~ on Nov 12, 2014 18:47:59 GMT
Like a couple of PP, the most helpful to me after my mom and then my dad died, was the sharing of a memory. I learned new things about my parents from listening to their peers share their favorite memories.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 18:55:31 GMT
Yes, my dad passed away unexpectedly at 51. A friend who lost both parents young told me she was so sorry I was a member of this awful "club" (losing a parent young). Just realizing she understood what I was going through, when none of my other friends really "got it" (although sympathetic), was very comforting. I've since unfortunately had to say the same thing to two friends lately who have lost a parent. Alissa, that reminds me of my favorite quote from Grey's Anatomy, that Cristina said to George when his Dad died:
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Post by putabuttononit on Nov 12, 2014 19:05:37 GMT
My friend lost her three precious little girls in a plane crash. She told me later, how she appreciated so much how I would ask her for advice, as my girls grew. A lot of people acted like she'd never been the mother of little girls. (She was left with only boys)
I also sent her pictures of the girls, with mine, that she'd never seen. My girls ages are right in the middle of her three. She loved it. Since then I often send photos to people of thei loved one, that maybe they've never seen. It's an unexpected gift, I've been told.
When my little eight month old cousin Rylee died, I took photos at her burial for her parents and grandparents. Nobody else took any, and they were given to just her parents. It was at least something I could offer, something they would want to look at, eventually.
I've learned everyone needs something a little different. All we can do is watch carefully for an opportunity to be there for them. My close friend lost her husband to a drunk driver. The first few days I fed her with a spoon, a few times, just to make her eat. Later it was helping sort pictures. Then I went to hearings to put the murderer behind bars. A year later I took her on a cruise to get her away from town. She says she likes it when out of the blue I just say "tell me a Frank story" so she can talk about him. I remember his birthday, make it a point to do lunch or just call.
A good thing to remember is that just because some time passes, they don't stop hurting and needing. So reach out even over time. One, five, ten, even more years. I gave a book to my aunt recently, who lost her four year old son in a fire forty years ago. I gave her the book Heaven Is For Real, and told her I loved her and was sorry she lost Stevie. She cried a lot. And said she was so touched by the book.
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mlana
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Post by mlana on Nov 12, 2014 19:06:55 GMT
When my aunt passed away, it was a surprise to those of us who lived some distance away from her. While we had known that she wasn't doing well, she hadn't been doing well for years, so we didn't realize she had become so critical. She was a mouthy lady, not given to platitudes just to spare someone's feelings. She was by no means cruel, though, just a bit hard to get to know. Those of us who had known and loved her for years were concerned that, due to the isolation her illness caused, she might have died lonely.
At her service, 3 people from her temple (LDS) spoke. Each one shared a story of how they had met her or something special about her that they had noticed. Each story acknowledged her true personality, without making it seem like something bad. The first lady told of bringing over a banana pudding to welcome the new family to the neighborhood, only to be told point blank by Aunt Liz that she didn't like bananas in her banana pudding, something every member of her family sitting in the audience knew. The speaker told us that, for a moment, she was taken aback and thought to herself that this might be someone she did not REALLY want to know, but as she got to know Aunt Liz, she learned to appreciate her candor. She said you never had to wonder for a minute where you stood with her, she'd tell you in no uncertain terms, and she found that Aunt Liz was as quick to tell you when you'd done something right, the way she liked it done, as she was to tell you when you'd done something wrong, which meant not the way she would have done it.
As we listened to these folks tell us how they had met the person that so many chose to walk away from and found something of value in her quirks, I could feel our family relax as we realized this lady that we had loved so much had not died lonely. Maybe it was weird, but by the time the 3rd speaker got up and started his memorial with "Sister Liz had the smallest feet of any grownup I've ever met," we were even able to laugh. Those size 5 feet had been the bane of my 5' tall aunt's life. For years my dad had sent her a pair of children's shoes (that fit!) every Christmas, and she had sent him girdles (Dad had a bit of a belly) It felt good to be reminded of this.
Marcy
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Post by PEArfect on Nov 12, 2014 19:13:12 GMT
The best thing to say is, "I'm so sorry for your loss." I also agree with sharing a memory. If you say, "I'm here for you" mean what you say.
Other widow(ers) that I've talked to do not want to hear "be thankful for the years you had together" "remember the good times" "God doesn't give you more than you can handle" "he/she's at peace now" "he/she is in a better place"
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sharlag
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Post by sharlag on Nov 12, 2014 19:15:42 GMT
She says she likes it when out of the blue I just say "tell me a Frank story" so she can talk about him. I remember his birthday, make it a point to do lunch or just call. This is inspired! Great idea.
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 12, 2014 19:21:49 GMT
"I am sorry. How are you feeling? I'd love to hear more about ____" That is about the best.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2014 19:47:30 GMT
I remember at my grandmother's visitation, so many of her friends and co-workers shared a special memory of her with me. That just meant the world to me, to kind of see her through other people's eyes and know she was special to them, too. "Your mom taught me how to swim" - I heard that over and over at her funeral. She taught pretty much our whole town how to swim. We tried to figure out the numbers and it was over 400 children that she taught swimming lessons too.
I loved hearing all the stories from her friends and neighbors. It's been 15 years since she passed away and I still cherish the stories that were shared with me that day.
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Post by littlemama on Nov 12, 2014 19:52:45 GMT
I cherish the stories about my father-in-law, and what he meant to others. He lived a few hours away, so we weren't involved in his daily life, and it was good to hear from his friends from his town.
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mshershey
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Post by mshershey on Nov 12, 2014 20:10:16 GMT
My mother died earlier this spring with complications from Alzheimer's. She had such a tragic ending to her life. She no longer recognized us, was bedridden, and could not talk. She continually suffered from aspirated pneumonia. At the very end we made the painful decision to let her go and not intervene with medication. This decision has haunted me since then but when I begin beating myself up about this I recall what my mother's cousin said to me when I told her what our final decision was. She said what a beautiful gift you have given your mother to let her go instead of keeping her here and continue to suffer. That statement has brought me so much peace over the last 8 months.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Nov 12, 2014 20:33:07 GMT
To me it doesn't matter WHAT you say, just that you say SOMETHING! A good friend of mine lost her father at a relatively young age so I took her out to dinner a few weeks after the funeral. (I couldn't attend because it was in another city.) To this day she talks about that dinner ~ 35 years later. She talked about her dad the entire time, we laughed at funny stories and we cried at her loss. The saddest thing she said was that her best friend had not acknowledged his death. And never has. That hurt my friend beyond words. She didn't care WHAT the woman said, just needed her to acknowledge that her dad died.
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Post by peabay on Nov 12, 2014 20:58:32 GMT
My mom has a knack for saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. Heart in the right place, foot right in mouth. Seriously - it's a gift. Not. It's SO bad.
Anyway, when I was 15, a 17 year old friend of our family was killed in a motorcycle accident. It was just tragic and awful. And my mom - given her "gift", said to the mom: "Maybe God took him young to protect him from something awful that might have happened later on." And the mom said: "I appreciate you're trying to make me feel better, but what thing could happen that was worse than this!?!!?!?"
I mean, really. Right? SUCH a bad thing to say.
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PrettyInPeank
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Nov 12, 2014 20:58:44 GMT
Someone wrote, "remember, he is only away" in a sympathy card.
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PrettyInPeank
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Nov 12, 2014 20:59:54 GMT
Peabay, that's so bad I laughed.
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Post by jenjie on Nov 12, 2014 21:04:16 GMT
I'm sure I have said a lot of stupid cliche things over the years. But last year I had the opportunity to come alongside someone that went to my church but I had never met. We "met" over email as her beloved was suffering through the final stages of cancer. I had emailed a prayer and we have had a special connection ever since.
Several weeks after he passed, she expressed to me -still through email, she wasn't ready to talk yet - that she was ashamed of herself for still grieving and not yet being able to move past. I sat at my computer with my Bible and asked God for something to help her. I had no idea. His response? "Weep with those who weep."
Below is most of what I sent her. It was out of my comfort zone but I think she needed permission to let go and grieve.
"The Bible has plenty of verses of encouragement but it also speaks again and again of the reality of suffering. Pretending those feelings are not there will do nothing helpful but will eat at you little by little. You need to allow yourself time to grieve so that in time, you can come out of this whole on the other side.
I want to share some scripture with you. It seems the opposite of encouragement but I think right now you need somebody to weep with you.
"To everything there is a season... A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;" Ecclesiastes 3:1,4
"Weeping may endure for a night, but joy comes in the morning." Psallm 30:5
"This is my comfort in my affliction, that your promise gives me life. Psalm 119:50
"Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows:" Isaiah 53:4a
"Blessed [are] they that mourn: for they shall be comforted." Matthew 5:4
"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because... he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted" Luke 4:18
"Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you." 1 Peter 5:7
"He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.” Revelation 21:4
Allow yourself to receive the comfort that God promises to those who mourn! If you need some time alone with the Lord, take it. Climb into your daddy's lap and let him comfort you. If you need a shoulder to cry on, reach out to me. Look at these verses again. He acknowledges the need to mourn. So take that time. But then.. but then comes morning! Don't rush it, morning will come in its time. And Jesus will heal your broken heart and wipe your tears.
Know you are loved."
Obviously not everybody will appreciate this. But for this woman - here was her response:
"Thank you so much for your understanding. I took the time to look up and reflect on each scripture you provided me. Thank you for being sensitive, and understanding my grief and pain. Your statement about weeping with me helps and supports my need to cry without me feeling ashamed. Thank you for that. You are the only person who seems to have wanted to try to understand how to validate me."
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Post by rumplesnat on Nov 12, 2014 21:14:26 GMT
Dad will have been gone 3 weeks tomorrow. Baby boy is 2 weeks old today.
I don't want to hear that God needed another angel or anything like that. It took all I had to not scream out at the top of my lungs during the funeral when "How Great Thou Art" was being played because I wasn't, and am still not, believing that any God who would take away my father during this time in my life is any type of good, let alone great.
My friend left a message on my dad's obituary guest book from the newspaper that has touched me the most. She said that my dad was the type of dad she always wished she had.
It means so much that she understands how great of a man he was and it also reminds me of how great of a loss we have all truly suffered.
I'm sorry. This is still so new and so raw for me. It truly hasn't even hit me full force yet, so I'm probably rattling on and on, not intending to hijack the OP.
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gsquaredmom
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Post by gsquaredmom on Nov 12, 2014 21:19:34 GMT
While my dad was dying, someone told me "no time would ever be enough"
I still cling to those words two years later.
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Post by mjmone on Nov 12, 2014 21:28:00 GMT
After my dad was killed in a car accident, the most remembered thing sent to me was a postcard from a friend of his I had never met. He told the story of how he and Dad were traveling and decided to pee into some hot springs to watch it 'sizzle'. Silly story, such a 'guy' thing, but it really helped.
The most comforting sentiment was a card rec'd from a family friend...she wrote, "though we cannot understand God's timing, we can trust in His will" As a Christian, that was the most comforting thing said to me. As a grieving daughter, it was tough, I went through some anger at God also....but those words did help me get through.
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Post by mikklynn on Nov 12, 2014 21:32:40 GMT
rumplesnat, I am so sorry, again, for your loss. What a terrible time to try to mourn and celebrate your new life.
There is a quote that helps me - "Pray for acceptance, not understanding. There is no understanding some issues" I can't remember where I read it.
Peace to you.
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