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Post by peano on Feb 2, 2021 12:09:02 GMT
by Rochester NY (already under fire for the killing of Daniel Prude last year) police responding to a “domestic” crime report which turned out to be the girl threatening to harm herself. Rochester police have implemented “Person In Crisis” team but apparently the dispatcher did not think a “domestic” crime warranted sending the PIC team. www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/02/01/rochester-police-officers-pepper-spray-video-9-year-old/But this isn’t the problem. Sending the PIC team would be like placing a bandaid on a festering wound that is bad cops. The remedy is cutting out the festering flesh. From the top down. Better job candidate screening, WAY more education and training, and better administrative policies. God, it kills me that a child already in crisis was further traumatized.
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Post by Linda on Feb 2, 2021 13:18:55 GMT
I hit a paywall but simply from the headline...and not knowing the circumstances...
I'm having a hard time thinking of a circumstance in which pepper spraying a child would be appropriate.
A Person in Crisis team sounds like a wonderful idea if it's including mental health professionals who are trained to help a person/people in situations such as domestic violance, potential suicide, neighbour disputes and so on... BUT there need to be clear guidelines that are understood by dispatch for sending the team (and for determining the nature of the emergency being called in).
YES - we need to weed out the bad cops. We need to educate the others (and the new trainees). We need to focus on community policing and defusing situations not coming in guns ablaze (or pepper spray ablaze).
And we need to reach a time when people reading that headline don't automatically (and correctly) assume that the victim is a person of colour based on the police response. Because the police response should NEVER be different based on colour/race/gender etc...and yet it is
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Post by anniebygaslight on Feb 2, 2021 13:19:43 GMT
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Post by hop2 on Feb 2, 2021 13:21:05 GMT
The mayor already suspended the officers involved pending investigation. I saw the video and I’m like suspended? Try fired, on the spot. And maybe charged with assault because she was already cuffed & mostly in the car when they pepper sprayed her.
The officer did nothing but escalate the situation. The officer told her she was acting like a child and she said she is a child. I guess the screaming overwrought 9 year old is the least juvenile being in that video.
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Post by hop2 on Feb 2, 2021 13:37:06 GMT
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Post by julie5 on Feb 2, 2021 13:54:45 GMT
Exactly. I heard them say the child “wouldn’t comply”. Um how many 9 year olds know that they need to comply with police? This is so fucking shameful. Absofuckinglutely disgusting.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Feb 2, 2021 13:59:36 GMT
I saw the video below online last night that shows it from the start of the call and the trouble really starts when the 5 EXTRA police cars show up. She's upset when approached by the initial officer, but not hysterical. He speaks calmly with her and tries to find out why she is upset. But then I think he gets frustrated and she gets more upset and then all the extra unnecessary cops show up and they are more agitated that things really escalate. None of it is handled well and there is NO EXCUSE for macing a child. There were like 10 cops and she was already in the backseat when they mace her and shut the door. WTF! www.instagram.com/tv/CKxo-8oBuIZ/?igshid=1lpptydlm6m23
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 14:03:43 GMT
If you can’t de-escalate a 9 year old and you can’t get a handcuffed 9 year old into a car without pepper spraying them then perhaps your in the wrong Career So f#$(ing that. I'd hate to see them in a classroom. Teachers, customer service people, etc have to de-escalate every F#($*ing day w/children AND adults. We don't just get to taze them or spray them into compliance. Maybe the LE orgs should hire some teachers to train them about how to deal w/a non-compliant CHILD.
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Post by peabay on Feb 2, 2021 14:08:40 GMT
This is exactly why police shouldn't be handling situations like this and mental health professionals should. And I would think the police wouldn't even want to handle situations like this.
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Post by MaryMary on Feb 2, 2021 14:19:31 GMT
“You’re acting like a child!” ?!?!?? This is horrifying. That poor girl. I hate everyone.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Feb 2, 2021 14:30:09 GMT
They were SO nonchalant about it all I felt sick.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Feb 2, 2021 14:31:52 GMT
As a school psychologist, do you know how many students I see like her every. single. day?!
I’ve never had to use pepper spray. EVER. Because I’ve actually been trained to deesclate children in a crisis, at least enough to get them to an emergency room with trained doctors who can take over.
This is sickening.
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Post by monklady123 on Feb 2, 2021 14:33:43 GMT
If you can’t de-escalate a 9 year old and you can’t get a handcuffed 9 year old into a car without pepper spraying them then perhaps your in the wrong Career So f#$(ing that. I'd hate to see them in a classroom. Teachers, customer service people, etc have to de-escalate every F#($*ing day w/children AND adults. We don't just get to taze them or spray them into compliance. Maybe the LE orgs should hire some teachers to train them about how to deal w/a non-compliant CHILD.I was thinking just that when I first heard this story and saw the video.
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Post by christine58 on Feb 2, 2021 15:25:25 GMT
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Feb 2, 2021 15:31:34 GMT
This made me so sick to see this morning. That poor little girl.
Those police are the glaring examples of why people hate cops, and why sending cops to that situation is the wrong thing to do.
Are they really telling me that all those adults couldn't de-escalate a situation with a nine year old?
This is assault. There needs to be more than just firing. There needs to be prison time. And I'm not sure that's harsh enough.
What would you do if it was YOUR kid?
Honestly.
My anger would have me sent to prison, I think.
And how young a child, will we as a society, allow them to assault, without severe consequences?
Nine years old happened.
Is eight too young?
Seven?
A big boned five year old?
A strong willed two year old?
Cranky infants that need their nap, as long as they have brown skin?
Or maybe if the punishment for assault on unarmed black adults had been swift and real, maybe then we wouldn't be discussing a bunch of white officers pepper spraying a handcuffed little girl.
Ffs
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Post by Merge on Feb 2, 2021 15:36:08 GMT
JFC. Call in almost any elementary teacher or counselor in America. We do this every day. It’s arguably a more important skill than our content knowledge.
Let the police handle criminals, not children.
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Post by peasapie on Feb 2, 2021 15:50:08 GMT
It's abhorrent. I'm sitting here thinking about what needs to happen to stop this and what each of us can do. There are so many significant problems with law enforcement and how they treat people, especially minorities. I'm so upset seeing this happen and feeling helpless about it.
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Post by ashley on Feb 2, 2021 15:57:31 GMT
How horrifying! That poor little girl. I hope she receives therapy and support to recover from this wrongful treatment.
I have a friend who’s part of a new police programme in a large region in Ontario. He’s a police officer and they’re trained on outreach and de-escalating and aiding. His team visits homes that have been flagged as perhaps benefitting from intervention and assistance from outreach programmes. So they go visit troubled homes and offer help and resources. I know a lot of his training has been on de-escalating, as well as being able to offer referrals to help agencies. On the weekend he attended a day of training on interacting with children — how to deflect and de-escalate an attacking child and how to calm the situation. So I do believe that the police can be effective in these situations given the correct attitudes and training. I also know he was bit while on duty recently, an older gentleman bit him hard enough that the skin was broken right through his jacket and uniform, so I’m not sure sending social workers out to these kinds of calls is always the best answer either.
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Post by gorgeouskid on Feb 2, 2021 15:59:14 GMT
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Post by inkedup on Feb 2, 2021 16:09:29 GMT
If a non-uniformed adult did this to a child, they'd be arrested.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 16:17:39 GMT
My god what's wrong with these people. They're not fit to be policemen if they can't control a nine year old child Just horrific the whole thing, that poor little kid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 16:21:19 GMT
Agree and the parents need to lose custody. Poor girl, where was her dad in this mess? She kept screaming for him and he never showed up. I feel so sad for this little girl. I haven't read anything about the parents. Why would you say they need to lose custody?
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Post by julie5 on Feb 2, 2021 16:25:01 GMT
Ok maybe the better way to state what I meant was why the duck should a black parent have to teach their compliance. That makes me sick amd I see my privilege showing since I didn’t know POC had to do this with young children. I knew about 16 year olds (driving) because my son saw it on YouTube and asked me if he had to do the same as a black person when pulled over and even that made me so angry. What on earth do we hsge to do to make this shit stop. Because I’m ready to do my part.
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 2, 2021 16:55:44 GMT
As a school psychologist, do you know how many students I see like her every. single. day?! I’ve never had to use pepper spray. EVER. Because I’ve actually been trained to deesclate children in a crisis, at least enough to get them to an emergency room with trained doctors who can take over. This is sickening. Exactly. The people who want respect for being the toughest are often the ones who most escalate and overreact to situations that other people handle all the time.
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Post by auntkelly on Feb 2, 2021 17:25:21 GMT
I think police officers are woefully undertrained to handle many of the situations they are expected to handle.
One of the things that really bothers me about so many of these situations is that the junior officers always seem to go along w/ whatever the more senior officer tells them to do w/out ever saying "now hold on a minute."
In this case, I'm guessing by the way the two police officers interacted, that the male officer was the most senior officer. He was the one who told the female officer to spray the little girl. It's too bad the female officer didn't answer by saying "I've got her restrained, we don't need the pepper spray."
Instead, she immediately pulled out her pepper spray and started spraying until the male officer finally said something like "okay, that's enough."
The junior officers should be trained to speak up in these types of situations.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 2, 2021 17:48:37 GMT
This is the core problem on why nothing changes from christine58 link above: If that's the case there is some serious problems with the protocols.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 17:50:33 GMT
How sad is this. Last night I saw the headline and read an article but could not make the video play on my phone of either the incident or the news recap. But, even without seeing it, I knew the little girl would be Black. I wish I hadn’t been right.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 2, 2021 18:00:08 GMT
Nine years old. Seriously? What the hell is wrong with them? That’s horrific.
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Post by tracylynn on Feb 2, 2021 18:27:43 GMT
Agree and the parents need to lose custody. Poor girl, where was her dad in this mess? She kept screaming for him and he never showed up. I feel so sad for this little girl. Based on what exactly??? And maybe her Dad was at work and couldn't get there. Wow.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 2, 2021 18:31:37 GMT
The mayor already suspended the officers involved pending investigation. I saw the video and I’m like suspended? Try fired, on the spot. And maybe charged with assault because she was already cuffed & mostly in the car when they pepper sprayed her. The officer did nothing but escalate the situation. The officer told her she was acting like a child and she said she is a child. I guess the screaming overwrought 9 year old is the least juvenile being in that video. Some folks need to lose their jobs. Cuffing and spraying her? That poor kid.
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