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Post by sam9 on Feb 16, 2021 0:07:10 GMT
Canada’s procurement officer has done a horrible job of getting an adequate supply of the various Covid vaccines for our country. The good news is that India feels sorry for us (an exaggeration I know) and will begin to supply doses of AstraZeneca within a month. Hoping all goes as planned.
As of today, I personally know only one person in Canada who has received a [first] dose - my BIL’s 93 year old grandmother. She died that very same week of Covid (completely unrelated to her receiving the vaccine); a worker in the nursing facility she was in was the source. They get tested every second day, both residents and workers, but obviously there can be a dangerous time lapse between a negative and positive result.
ETA: It is the Indian manufacturer of AstraZeneca who is in a position to supply Canada with doses of the vaccine. Not the country or government of India. I don't believe any country is selling vaccines to anybody.
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Post by psiluvu on Feb 16, 2021 2:05:04 GMT
Astra Zeneca is not approved here in Canada yet. If todays news is correct we should be receiving over 1.5 million doses of Pfizer and 800,00 of Moderna in the next month. So finally (hopefully) getting our vaccination program going.
I have to ask where you live because I am in Ottawa and know tons of people vaccinated. Our long term care homes and staff have all received their first doses and 90% their second. My mom in a long term care home in small town Ontario has also received her first dose. My sister in law, a PSW has also received her first does as has my brother an essential care giver. Two of my dd's friends who are porters at a hospital are fully vaccinated.
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Post by peasapie on Feb 16, 2021 2:22:14 GMT
I know several Canadians who have received the vaccine. I hope you will soon be able to be vaccinated as well.
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Post by valincal on Feb 16, 2021 2:23:48 GMT
I read that news today too. Hopefully we can get more people vaccinated soon. My mom and my MIL (both 82 years old) here in Alberta have not been vaccinated nor have they been given any sort of timeline. Slow rollout so far due to problems with supply from the EU.
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Post by quiltz on Feb 16, 2021 2:36:56 GMT
I know of many people here in SW Ontario that have been vaccinated (with both injections).
I would like it if they would test people to see if positive prior to getting the vaccination. That way vaccines are only given to negative cases.
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Post by quiltz on Feb 16, 2021 2:40:30 GMT
Canada’s procurement officer has done a horrible job of getting an adequate supply of the various Covid vaccines for our country. She has done an amazing job and it is a very stressful job. How can you blame a person if the vaccine producer decides to stop and do a physical re-build of their lab? It was under the Stephen Harper administration that shut down the labs and Canada's ability to produce vaccines for our Country. Stephen was such a micro-manager and was difficult to work with. I have friends who were on his security watch and who worked in his PMO office at the time. |
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Post by pjaye on Feb 16, 2021 3:36:53 GMT
I haven't yet read anything about this, but on the face of it, surely India would be better off vaccinating their own people as a priority before sending th vaccine off shore?
They have almost 1.4 BILLION people! Surely vaccinating as many as they can would be most beneficial. Otherwise the potential is that they will remain a hotspot for covid which will impact their tourist trade. I can definitely see countries like Australia, which has a large immigrant population from India, either restricting travel to there, or requiring mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks on return. That's going to discourage people from going.
It seems to me to be bad economics the sell the vaccine to rich white countries as a priority before looking after your own people.
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Post by sam9 on Feb 16, 2021 4:46:25 GMT
I haven't yet read anything about this, but on the face of it, surely India would be better off vaccinating their own people as a priority before sending th vaccine off shore? They have almost 1.4 BILLION people! Surely vaccinating as many as they can would be most beneficial. Otherwise the potential is that they will remain a hotspot for covid which will impact their tourist trade. I can definitely see countries like Australia, which has a large immigrant population from India, either restricting travel to there, or requiring mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks on return. That's going to discourage people from going. It seems to me to be bad economics the sell the vaccine to rich white countries as a priority before looking after your own people. In principle I agree with you, but AstraZeneca is having huge supplies of their vaccine produced in India. I don't believe the Indian government has a say as to who those doses get sold to. So maybe my title is a bit misleading. I'm just happy that India is a possibility because we certainly haven't been getting orders from Pfizer or Moderna on a timely basis. India is a significant world supplier of pharmaceuticals in general and vaccines in particular. I'm not blaming the Canadian vaccination program for Pfizer's decision to remodel its facilities which resulted in delays of supplies, but there has been a lot of confusion with our procurement of doses from Moderna. We're behind our own schedule, still at the stage of long term care facilities, and behind other countries such as England. Even if Moderna and Pfizer eventually catch up and deliver doses to their end dates, it's doubtful that we'll be able to make up for all the weeks where we didn't have vaccines to give. There's only so many people that can be vaccinated in a day and only so many people to administer those vaccines. We're the only G7 country who has considered taking vaccines out of COVAX, a worldwide supply fund of vaccines that we've bought into and that is intended primarily for use by developing countries. |
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Post by sam9 on Feb 16, 2021 6:19:13 GMT
I know of many people here in SW Ontario that have been vaccinated (with both injections). I would like it if they would test people to see if positive prior to getting the vaccination. That way vaccines are only given to negative cases. My BIL’s grandmother was tested the day before her vaccine and she was negative. ETA: Her nursing home has been extremely careful and had gone all this time without a single case. It was really bad luck. This all happened 10 days ago. |
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Post by sam9 on Feb 16, 2021 6:26:49 GMT
Canada’s procurement officer has done a horrible job of getting an adequate supply of the various Covid vaccines for our country. She has done an amazing job and it is a very stressful job. How can you blame a person if the vaccine producer decides to stop and do a physical re-build of their lab? It was under the Stephen Harper administration that shut down the labs and Canada's ability to produce vaccines for our Country. Stephen was such a micro-manager and was difficult to work with. I have friends who were on his security watch and who worked in his PMO office at the time. I certainly don’t blame her for the Pfizer delays. But we’re a country with a very small population. Maybe we diversified our vaccine portfolio too much. The way we put in an order with Moderna and then cancelled part of it because their end delivery date didn’t meet our September target may have resulted in the delays we’ve experienced with them. We’re small potatoes. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 11:25:43 GMT
According to this BBC report the Oxford/Astra Zeneca hasn't been approved as yet in Canada. I'm not sure where you get the information that they haven't been vaccinating anyone either. Again from the same report:
Yes, Canada do seem to have a supply problem but that seems to be a manufacturing problem rather than a government procurement problem. It's not the Indian Government that will be supplying it as per your suggestion but the Serum Institute of India who are manufacturing it on behalf of Astra Zeneca. |
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Post by christine58 on Feb 16, 2021 11:40:54 GMT
I know of many people here in SW Ontario that have been vaccinated (with both injections). I would like it if they would test people to see if positive prior to getting the vaccination. That way vaccines are only given to negative cases. Curious as to why?? Many people will test negative with a rapid test yet 3 days later test positive so testing is not always accurate. My cousin who works in a hospital in Woodstock ON has told me many there have been vaccinated. |
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Post by catmom on Feb 16, 2021 14:34:06 GMT
I haven't yet read anything about this, but on the face of it, surely India would be better off vaccinating their own people as a priority before sending th vaccine off shore? They have almost 1.4 BILLION people! Surely vaccinating as many as they can would be most beneficial. Otherwise the potential is that they will remain a hotspot for covid which will impact their tourist trade. I can definitely see countries like Australia, which has a large immigrant population from India, either restricting travel to there, or requiring mandatory quarantine for 2 weeks on return. That's going to discourage people from going. It seems to me to be bad economics the sell the vaccine to rich white countries as a priority before looking after your own people. In principle I agree with you, but AstraZeneca is having huge supplies of their vaccine produced in India. I don't believe the Indian government has a say as to who those doses get sold to. So maybe my title is a bit misleading. I'm just happy that India is a possibility because we certainly haven't been getting orders from Pfizer or Moderna on a timely basis. India is a significant world supplier of pharmaceuticals in general and vaccines in particular. I'm not blaming the Canadian vaccination program for Pfizer's decision to remodel its facilities which resulted in delays of supplies, but there has been a lot of confusion with our procurement of doses from Moderna. We're behind our own schedule, still at the stage of long term care facilities, and behind other countries such as England. Even if Moderna and Pfizer eventually catch up and deliver doses to their end dates, it's doubtful that we'll be able to make up for all the weeks where we didn't have vaccines to give. There's only so many people that can be vaccinated in a day and only so many people to administer those vaccines. We're the only G7 country who has considered taking vaccines out of COVAX, a worldwide supply fund of vaccines that we've bought into and that is intended primarily for use by developing countries. Regarding COVAX, I believe Canada is one of only two G7 countries participating in COVAX (UK is the other). Other G7 countries really need to get on board to help achieve world vaccination as quickly as possible. Canada provided $440m, half of which was as a donation and the other half was to purchase vaccines from the COVAX central supply. This was always the plan and is part of COVAX's role. New Zealand and Singapore also purchased vaccines from COVAX. So more precisely, Canada is one of only 2 G7 countries to participate in COVAX (Yay Canada!) and has used COVAX as a vaccine supplier along with a few other countries. |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Feb 16, 2021 15:38:34 GMT
I know of many people here in SW Ontario that have been vaccinated (with both injections). I would like it if they would test people to see if positive prior to getting the vaccination. That way vaccines are only given to negative cases. The only person I know who received the vaccination is my MIL. You know, the one who had Covid this past fall? Yeah, that one. |
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Post by sam9 on Feb 16, 2021 17:16:03 GMT
In principle I agree with you, but AstraZeneca is having huge supplies of their vaccine produced in India. I don't believe the Indian government has a say as to who those doses get sold to. So maybe my title is a bit misleading. I'm just happy that India is a possibility because we certainly haven't been getting orders from Pfizer or Moderna on a timely basis. India is a significant world supplier of pharmaceuticals in general and vaccines in particular. I'm not blaming the Canadian vaccination program for Pfizer's decision to remodel its facilities which resulted in delays of supplies, but there has been a lot of confusion with our procurement of doses from Moderna. We're behind our own schedule, still at the stage of long term care facilities, and behind other countries such as England. Even if Moderna and Pfizer eventually catch up and deliver doses to their end dates, it's doubtful that we'll be able to make up for all the weeks where we didn't have vaccines to give. There's only so many people that can be vaccinated in a day and only so many people to administer those vaccines. We're the only G7 country who has considered taking vaccines out of COVAX, a worldwide supply fund of vaccines that we've bought into and that is intended primarily for use by developing countries. Regarding COVAX, I believe Canada is one of only two G7 countries participating in COVAX (UK is the other). Other G7 countries really need to get on board to help achieve world vaccination as quickly as possible. Canada provided $440m, half of which was as a donation and the other half was to purchase vaccines from the COVAX central supply. This was always the plan and is part of COVAX's role. New Zealand and Singapore also purchased vaccines from COVAX. So more precisely, Canada is one of only 2 G7 countries to participate in COVAX (Yay Canada!) and has used COVAX as a vaccine supplier along with a few other countries. No, there are more than only two G7 countries that are participating. The EU is definitely represented as Team Europe. The only two notable/wealthy countries in the world who are missing are Russia and the USA. Mr. Trudeau is now saying that it was always part of our plan to draw from the COVAX supply. Okay. ETA: I didn’t want to point out that New Zealand and Singapore are also relying on COVAX for doses because, with their very small populations, the fund is probably their only way of having any purchasing power at all. |
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Regarding COVAX, I believe Canada is one of only two G7 countries participating in COVAX (UK is the other). Other G7 countries really need to get on board to help achieve world vaccination as quickly as possible. Canada provided $440m, half of which was as a donation and the other half was to purchase vaccines from the COVAX central supply. This was always the plan and is part of COVAX's role. New Zealand and Singapore also purchased vaccines from COVAX. So more precisely, Canada is one of only 2 G7 countries to participate in COVAX (Yay Canada!) and has used COVAX as a vaccine supplier along with a few other countries. No, there are more than only two G7 countries that are participating. The EU is definitely represented as Team Europe. The only two notable/wealthy countries in the world who are missing are Russia and the USA. Mr. Trudeau is now saying that it was always part of our plan to draw from the COVAX supply. Okay.
ETA: I didn’t want to point out that New Zealand and Singapore are also relying on COVAX for doses because, with their very small populations, the fund is probably their only way of having any purchasing power at all. I believe the arrangement was that some contributing countries were entitled to 20% vaccine allocation through Covax unless they were, like the UK, had made a bi-lateral agreements direct with the manufactures. So there wouldn't be a need for us to have this 20% allocation although we are the highest contributor to the scheme. Germany and France as G7 countries have also made separate contributions, be it lower in value than Canada and the UK separately to their EU membership. |
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Post by sam9 on Feb 16, 2021 18:16:15 GMT
@dottyscrapper Canada has purchased directly from two vaccine manufacturers (so far). I don’t believe that we ever intended to draw from COVAX. As soon as we had signed contracts with these manufacturers we were busy bragging that we were in a position to give away millions of doses to less fortunate countries.
Also, to your earlier point, I said up thread that it wasn’t the government of India who would be supplying doses to Canada, but rather the Indian manufacturer of AstraZeneca.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 18:20:02 GMT
@dottyscrapper Canada has purchased directly from two vaccine manufacturers (so far). I don’t believe that we ever intended to draw from COVAX. As soon as we had signed contracts with these manufacturers we were busy bragging that we were in a position to give away millions of doses to less fortunate countries. Also, to your earlier point, I said up thread that it wasn’t the government of India who would be supplying doses to Canada, but rather the Indian manufacturer of AstraZeneca.Could you change the title of the thread then as it's misleading. |
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Post by sam9 on Feb 16, 2021 18:40:41 GMT
Astra Zeneca is not approved here in Canada yet. If todays news is correct we should be receiving over 1.5 million doses of Pfizer and 800,00 of Moderna in the next month. So finally (hopefully) getting our vaccination program going. I have to ask where you live because I am in Ottawa and know tons of people vaccinated. Our long term care homes and staff have all received their first doses and 90% their second. My mom in a long term care home in small town Ontario has also received her first dose. My sister in law, a PSW has also received her first does as has my brother an essential care giver. Two of my dd's friends who are porters at a hospital are fully vaccinated. I am in Montréal. It's suspicious that our nation's capital seems to be so ahead of the rest of the country in vaccine doses. Do you have a sign up sheet yet for the general population outside of long term care facilities? I mean in order of priority, of course. |
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Post by tallgirl on Feb 16, 2021 18:46:43 GMT
I am also in Canada, and also don't know anyone who has been vaccinated. I'm good with what supplies we have being reserved for LTC, for the time being.
We keep hearing that the majority of our Q1 vaccine deliveries have been pushed to March, and that deliveries will really increase starting early in Q2. For now, I think most Canadians are OK with the current state of things. But if we don't see those deliveries materialize in March/April, or if our governments can't get the vaccines distributed once they are on our shores, we're going to have some very upset citizens. It hasn't been bad thus far because even those US/UK citizens who have been vaccinated haven't been given that many more freedoms than the unvaccinated. But once those freedoms come - immunity passports for travel, for example - it will be tough to have to wait our turn. And I know we're still in a very favourable position compared to much of the world's population.
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Post by catmom on Feb 16, 2021 18:47:00 GMT
Regarding COVAX, I believe Canada is one of only two G7 countries participating in COVAX (UK is the other). Other G7 countries really need to get on board to help achieve world vaccination as quickly as possible. Canada provided $440m, half of which was as a donation and the other half was to purchase vaccines from the COVAX central supply. This was always the plan and is part of COVAX's role. New Zealand and Singapore also purchased vaccines from COVAX. So more precisely, Canada is one of only 2 G7 countries to participate in COVAX (Yay Canada!) and has used COVAX as a vaccine supplier along with a few other countries. No, there are more than only two G7 countries that are participating. The EU is definitely represented as Team Europe. The only two notable/wealthy countries in the world who are missing are Russia and the USA. Mr. Trudeau is now saying that it was always part of our plan to draw from the COVAX supply. Okay. ETA: I didn’t want to point out that New Zealand and Singapore are also relying on COVAX for doses because, with their very small populations, the fund is probably their only way of having any purchasing power at all. My bad. I must have been looking at an old or bad source. |
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Post by psiluvu on Feb 16, 2021 20:54:29 GMT
Astra Zeneca is not approved here in Canada yet. If todays news is correct we should be receiving over 1.5 million doses of Pfizer and 800,00 of Moderna in the next month. So finally (hopefully) getting our vaccination program going. I have to ask where you live because I am in Ottawa and know tons of people vaccinated. Our long term care homes and staff have all received their first doses and 90% their second. My mom in a long term care home in small town Ontario has also received her first dose. My sister in law, a PSW has also received her first does as has my brother an essential care giver. Two of my dd's friends who are porters at a hospital are fully vaccinated. I am in Montréal. It's suspicious that our nation's capital seems to be so ahead of the rest of the country in vaccine doses. Do you have a sign up sheet yet for the general population outside of long term care facilities? I mean in order of priority, of course. Nothing suspicious here! All long term care homes in Ontario have at least had their first vaccine and most retirement homes in the province are the same. It is not just Ottawa. My dd's friends I mentioned are in Kingston and my mom is in Cobourg. On the news today there is talk of a provincial "sign up sheet" starting with the over 80's but nothing up and running yet |
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Post by sam9 on Feb 16, 2021 20:57:41 GMT
I am also in Canada, and also don't know anyone who has been vaccinated. I'm good with what supplies we have being reserved for LTC, for the time being. We keep hearing that the majority of our Q1 vaccine deliveries have been pushed to March, and that deliveries will really increase starting early in Q2. For now, I think most Canadians are OK with the current state of things. But if we don't see those deliveries materialize in March/April, or if our governments can't get the vaccines distributed once they are on our shores, we're going to have some very upset citizens. It hasn't been bad thus far because even those US/UK citizens who have been vaccinated haven't been given that many more freedoms than the unvaccinated. But once those freedoms come - immunity passports for travel, for example - it will be tough to have to wait our turn. And I know we're still in a very favourable position compared to much of the world's population. Yes we are supposed to catch up on deliveries but there is no way we can catch up on vaccinations unless we have a large, unknown to me, supplementary workforce standing by. Manitoba is the only province that I know of that has been busy training people not part of their usual medical staff, i.e., massages therapists, to administer doses. I really admire their forethought. I don’t know where you are, but in Montréal our restrictions are still pretty severe. We’ve had a 20h00 curfew for two months now., with no end in sight. I have a cousin in B.C. who just spent the weekend at Big White, posting pics of her family eating in restaurants. No restaurant has been open for dining here since September. Non essential stores just reopened last week. Our businesses are really suffering. I feel so badly for so many people. |
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Post by sam9 on Feb 16, 2021 21:06:53 GMT
I am in Montréal. It's suspicious that our nation's capital seems to be so ahead of the rest of the country in vaccine doses. Do you have a sign up sheet yet for the general population outside of long term care facilities? I mean in order of priority, of course. Nothing suspicious here! All long term care homes in Ontario have at least had their first vaccine and most retirement homes in the province are the same. It is not just Ottawa. My dd's friends I mentioned are in Kingston and my mom is in Cobourg. On the news today there is talk of a provincial "sign up sheet" starting with the over 80's but nothing up and running yet What do you mean by retirement homes? Surely you don’t mean independent living facilities with on site medical staff, which is what I call a retirement home. Like expensive condos for seniors 55 and over? Our private long term NURSING homes have just started getting first shots this month. We’re no where near moving on to 80 year olds and older. Now I’m super suspicious! |
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Post by psiluvu on Feb 17, 2021 0:00:08 GMT
Nothing suspicious here! All long term care homes in Ontario have at least had their first vaccine and most retirement homes in the province are the same. It is not just Ottawa. My dd's friends I mentioned are in Kingston and my mom is in Cobourg. On the news today there is talk of a provincial "sign up sheet" starting with the over 80's but nothing up and running yet What do you mean by retirement homes? Surely you don’t mean independent living facilities with on site medical staff, which is what I call a retirement home. Like expensive condos for seniors 55 and over? Our private long term NURSING homes have just started getting first shots this month. We’re no where near moving on to 80 year olds and older. Now I’m super suspicious! And again, this is PROVINCE wide, so nothing suspicious. As of 10:30am this morning there are 186,934 people fully vaccinated, long term care homes, retirement residences, workers in these same institutions and essential care gives of people in long term care homes. It looks like Quebec has the same guidelines www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coronavirus/progress-of-the-covid-19-vaccination// and similar, if not higher vaccine numbers as Ontario So I'm not sure what your point is. |
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Post by sam9 on Feb 17, 2021 0:22:59 GMT
What do you mean by retirement homes? Surely you don’t mean independent living facilities with on site medical staff, which is what I call a retirement home. Like expensive condos for seniors 55 and over? Our private long term NURSING homes have just started getting first shots this month. We’re no where near moving on to 80 year olds and older. Now I’m super suspicious! And again, this is PROVINCE wide, so nothing suspicious. As of 10:30am this morning there are 186,934 people fully vaccinated, long term care homes, retirement residences, workers in these same institutions and essential care gives of people in long term care homes. It looks like Quebec has the same guidelines www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coronavirus/progress-of-the-covid-19-vaccination// and similar, if not higher vaccine numbers as Ontario So I'm not sure what your point is. My point is that your definition of a retirement home is probably different from mine. You made me think that people living in luxury condos were already being vaccinated in Ontario. That would annoy me. Québec has given just short of 298,000 doses, not full vaccines. I know someone in a private long term care facility who has still to receive her first dose. Our total number of doses given represents about 3.1% of our population. I’m not impressed. |
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Post by kelaur on Feb 17, 2021 0:33:45 GMT
Canada is doing a horribly slow painful job of this mostly related to supply issues. That being said, my sister and niece who both work in long term care have had both doses. And my husband who is a firefighter had had his first dose. I also work in health care but have been told it probably won’t be until May. Sigh.
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Post by jubejubes on Feb 17, 2021 0:44:30 GMT
My point is that your definition of a retirement home is probably different from mine. You made me think that people living in luxury condos were already being vaccinated in Ontario. That would annoy me. Does it really matter what the definition of a retirement home is to you or to another pea? It is up to EACH PROVINCIAL HEALTH office to determine who, when, where & why the population of their province is going to get the vaccine. Simply because more people in Ottawa, according to you, have had the vaccine than in Montreal doesn't matter because they are in DIFFERENT PROVINCES! Manitoba chose to vaccinate the northern population of their province. Concentrate on what the province of Quebec is doing rather than Ontario. |
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Post by sam9 on Feb 17, 2021 3:40:53 GMT
My point is that your definition of a retirement home is probably different from mine. You made me think that people living in luxury condos were already being vaccinated in Ontario. That would annoy me. Does it really matter what the definition of a retirement home is to you or to another pea? It is up to EACH PROVINCIAL HEALTH office to determine who, when, where & why the population of their province is going to get the vaccine. Simply because more people in Ottawa, according to you, have had the vaccine than in Montreal doesn't matter because they are in DIFFERENT PROVINCES! Manitoba chose to vaccinate the northern population of their province. Concentrate on what the province of Quebec is doing rather than Ontario. Wow, no need to be so rude. I realize that Ontario has a bigger population, I was just surprised that you were already at the stage of vaccinating older, independent living, people. I thought this was a discussion board, but apparently you think 🤔 not. Thanks for the advice on what I should concentrate on. |
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