pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Feb 18, 2021 16:36:37 GMT
Did anyone watch the New York Times documentary Framing Britney Spears? What were your thoughts? What do you think of the Free Britney movement?
Here are my thoughts but I am totally open to changing my mind so I'd like to know what others think.
I watched the documentary last weekend and while her situation is sad, I don't believe she has the mental capacity to make good decisions for herself. I think if she had control of her money, she get taken advantage of and be broke in less than 5 years. While it's her money to lose, I think having someone else watch over her money is good for her and her children so they have something for the future.
I will say, I don't think it's right that she is paying her father any money to be her conservator and maybe he is the wrong person to be the conservator. I also think it's a conflict of interest that she is paying the attorneys who are defending the conservatorship.
What do the peas think?
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Post by cme37 on Feb 18, 2021 16:40:02 GMT
I watched it. I think if she is capable of putting on these elaborate shows to continue to rake in the money then she is capable of controlling it. If she loses it, she loses it. I think there was a time when the conservatorship was necessary, but it has passed now.
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Post by Anita on Feb 18, 2021 16:43:26 GMT
I don't even know why I watched it because I'm not a fan of hers, but it was interesting. I got the impression that she needs some sort of guardianship, but it should not be her father, and he most certainly should not be profiting from it. That part pissed me off. You're well enough to perform like a trained monkey, but too impaired to handle the money. Well then maybe she should be retired from the limelight and allowed to live a normal life.
I got such a feeling from that show that she was simply never allowed to grow up.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 18, 2021 16:54:30 GMT
I think if she had control of her money, she get taken advantage of and be broke in less than 5 years. While it's her money to lose, I think having someone else watch over her money is good for her and her children so they have something for the future. I don't think she has any problem with a third party conservator, she just wants her father out of there. From what I saw, I agree. It is one thing to watch her money and make sure it is well invested and quite another to commit her to performance contracts that increase his profits. The other conservator/trustee that applied to the court for an increase in his pay said something in the petition about this being the best business deal he's ever been part of said volumes to me about their motivation and how he viewed Britney.
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Post by busy on Feb 18, 2021 17:15:25 GMT
I don’t think ANYONE in the general public knows enough about her mental condition to know if a conservator is needed or not.
If one is, I think she should have input in who it is. Wanting a professional instead of her father is not unreasonable and I 100% think that should happen.
Britney clearly has had some difficult times in her life and needed professional help. But I can’t help but be bothered by this kind of thing never being pursued for high-profile, wealthy men who have had clear mental health problems as well.
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Post by beepdave on Feb 18, 2021 17:30:22 GMT
I think it a stupid waste of money and time. I don't think she's as mentally unstable as people think. I think it's a case of Munchausen syndrome by proxy and way too many people are being paid to further the ruse that Britney is unwell. Ever since she left MMC, her entire career was her parents'. Her singing voice was changed, etc.
I think she's hanging out with Richard Simmons somewhere. ;-)
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Post by maryland on Feb 18, 2021 17:37:10 GMT
I don’t think ANYONE in the general public knows enough about her mental condition to know if a conservator is needed or not. If one is, I think she should have input in who it is. Wanting a professional instead of her father is not unreasonable and I 100% think that should happen. Britney clearly has had some difficult times in her life and needed professional help. But I can’t help but be bothered by this kind of thing never being pursued for high-profile, wealthy men who have had clear mental health problems as well. I agree! When I heard a little of her story, it reminded me of celebrities (and athletes) who went from being wealthy, then coming into hard times/being taken advantage of and losing a lot of money. And no one mentions help for them.
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tracylynn
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Post by tracylynn on Feb 18, 2021 18:15:05 GMT
I do think she's mentally ill, and she probably does need a conservatorship. But I think her father has continued to push her and takes advantage of her.
And by all accounts, she's OK with a conservatorship as long as it's not her father. I think that's a fair statement from her.
I think she's probably never been allowed to grow up. I think she's probably stuck in a World that doesn't really exist anymore (somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 years ago). I think she's made a lot of bad decisions - maybe because of her mental health, maybe cause she was just a stupid kid rebelling against those trying to control her. I'm not sure. Probably some of both though.
I think there was a report last year saying that they were having to readjust her meds, as they had "stopped" working. Whatever that really means. I think mental health can be an ongoing struggle for some. I just hope she's getting the help she needs.
And while I don't know that I stand one way or the other on the Free Britney ride, I do support her decision to refuse to continue to perform.
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Post by papersilly on Feb 18, 2021 18:27:13 GMT
i didn't watch the documentary but i've heard about her situation. if Britney no longer wants to work, she shouldn't. she has enough money to last her a lifetime. she's worked for most of her life so far.
if she objects to who her conservator is, she should try and get a new one appointment. there is a part of me that thinks that Britney should have good financial care and guidance. i don't think she'll go out and blow a million dollars on shoes in one sitting but i also don't want some guy marrying her for her money and her not having the where with all to sign a prenup first.
i don't think she is mentally ill. i do think she's had some mentally exhausted moments have didn't manifest themselves well. she is not only a person but she is a business. her work generates income and work for lots of other people. that's a lot of pressure to literally and figuratively "perform".
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Post by peabay on Feb 18, 2021 18:55:55 GMT
In regards to her shows: I took my girls to see her and she was like a robot. Not one spontaneous moment and overly rehearsed. It was like she was sleepwalking. So, I wouldn't take the fact that she performs on stage as an indicator that she should be in charge of her finances.
I think she's mentally ill - have you seen the recent videos she's shared on Instagram? She's like a child. I'm not sure what her diagnosis is, but she really doesn't seem well. At all.
All that being said, her father doesn't always come across like he has her best interests at heart. I think having an unbiased, professional conservator keep track of her money makes the most sense. It's not even that she would spend it all, but I could see her being preyed upon by people with ill intent.
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Post by sasha on Feb 18, 2021 19:08:42 GMT
I completely agree with you, pinklady . It's a horrendous situation, but I do think she has extreme mental health issues and that this protects her. It's very sad and eye opening how she was basically slut shamed by interviewers and what a different world it was back then (well, I guess not really that much).
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Post by busy on Feb 18, 2021 19:10:54 GMT
In regards to her shows: I took my girls to see her and she was like a robot. Not one spontaneous moment and overly rehearsed. It was like she was sleepwalking. So, I wouldn't take the fact that she performs on stage as an indicator that she should be in charge of her finances. I think she's mentally ill - have you seen the recent videos she's shared on Instagram? She's like a child. I'm not sure what her diagnosis is, but she really doesn't seem well. At all. All that being said, her father doesn't always come across like he has her best interests at heart. I think having an unbiased, professional conservator keep track of her money makes the most sense. It's not even that she would spend it all, but I could see her being preyed upon by people with ill intent. I can't help but wonder if having her father as her conservator has actually contributed to keeping her unwell. Having her compliant and under this thumb has enriched him.
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Belle
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Post by Belle on Feb 18, 2021 19:11:00 GMT
We watched it over the weekend. I did wonder why her mom hadn’t stepped in earlier and instead just allowed the dad to take the lead? Especially if the dad isn’t trust worthy with making e best decisions for his daughter. Why aren’t both her parents acting as co-conservators? I didn’t know what to make of her brother’s statement. I thought the documentary was extremely sad but also consisted of a lot of innuendo without a lot of facts. busy - You bring up an interesting point about famous men like Charlie Sheen for instance, going through similar situations.
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Post by PEAcan pie on Feb 18, 2021 20:09:22 GMT
I do think she is mentally ill and without the right interventions/treatment she could be in as bad of shape as Amanda Bynes. The videos I have watched of her the last few years reminds me of teenager behavior.
I am not sure her Dad is the right person. I do not understand why her Mom is not a part of the conservatorship? I would hope her Father would be someone she can count on, although it is hard to know if that is the case or not. Is it because she is still rebelling or is he pushing her to perform against her will? Without inside information and facts it is so hard to speculate.
I do think she needs some sort of conservatorship but who can she trust?
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Post by chaosisapony on Feb 18, 2021 23:10:47 GMT
I watched it. It was really interesting and very sad.
She doesn't seem to protest having a conservator just that she doesn't want that person to be her father. I think it's a reasonable request and that she is in enough control of her faculties to know her wishes on that. With regard to her mental state, who knows. There's not enough information out there for the general public to truly know.
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Post by Zee on Feb 18, 2021 23:29:39 GMT
I'm kind of torn. I follow her on IG and I don't really think she's capable of managing a large amount of money or a career without guidance. But lots of other people are out there less functional than she is, living how they want to. But then again lots of them make really really poor life decisions and end up abusing substances, losing cars and hines and possessions and child custody. This way sometime is watching out for her and it's a lot harder for unsavory types to cheat her or take advantage of her.
She's just not quite right. God love her.
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Post by rickmer on Feb 19, 2021 0:02:05 GMT
i have not watched it, i don't think we can get in canada? i have read a bunch about it and i have to say, it seems pretty straightforward. it's her money that she earned. whether she has mental illness or not, if she acknowledges she could use a conservator BUT doesn't want it to be her dad, then it SHOULDN'T be her father.
i have always thought it was bizarre and unnatural to have the family being supported by a child's efforts. that seems like way too much pressure for a young person. and if i was her father, i would respect her wishes over the risk of ruining our relationship.
my ex would put my son on the ice to play hockey with a raging fever and barely able to hold his head up, there is no financial pressure there, he is just HUGE on "but your commitment to the team!!!!" and hockey means everything (to ex, not my son). we have gone head-to-head on this issue with hockey in the past. ugh.
i am grateful for my sweet but decidedly average kids...
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Post by lesserknownpea on Feb 19, 2021 11:58:58 GMT
It makes me sick to think of anyone enriching themselves on this poor woman’s back. A strictly professional arrangement, with a third party auditor should be set up. As well as an impartial medical review. If her meds are calibrated to keep her compliant and productive, that’s disgusting.
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Post by peasapie on Feb 21, 2021 14:46:51 GMT
I don’t think ANYONE in the general public knows enough about her mental condition to know if a conservator is needed or not. If one is, I think she should have input in who it is. Wanting a professional instead of her father is not unreasonable and I 100% think that should happen. Britney clearly has had some difficult times in her life and needed professional help. But I can’t help but be bothered by this kind of thing never being pursued for high-profile, wealthy men who have had clear mental health problems as well. 100 percent agree.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 21, 2021 16:13:38 GMT
I don’t follow her anywhere but just looked at her IG. OMG. The image she puts out is like that of an immature teenager on Tiktok, not like an almost 40 year old woman.
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Post by sean&marysmommy on Feb 21, 2021 17:32:16 GMT
I didn't realize she has, or possibly has, mental health issues. Doesn't she have children? Does she have custody of them?
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Rhondito
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Post by Rhondito on Feb 21, 2021 17:32:40 GMT
I think there are things the public does not know. She has petitioned the court many times to have her father removed as conservator - even to have someone else replace him - and for some reason they keep him. There has to be a reason for that.
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Post by Rhondito on Feb 21, 2021 17:33:20 GMT
I didn't realize she has, or possibly has, mental health issues. Doesn't she have children? Does she have custody of them? No, Kevin does.
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Post by christine58 on Feb 21, 2021 17:34:12 GMT
pinkladyI have not followed her story much at all..actually thought there was already a conservatorship. Is this documentary on HULU??
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Post by Dani-Mani on Feb 21, 2021 18:50:26 GMT
In regards to her shows: I took my girls to see her and she was like a robot. Not one spontaneous moment and overly rehearsed. It was like she was sleepwalking. So, I wouldn't take the fact that she performs on stage as an indicator that she should be in charge of her finances. I think she's mentally ill - have you seen the recent videos she's shared on Instagram? She's like a child. I'm not sure what her diagnosis is, but she really doesn't seem well. At all. All that being said, her father doesn't always come across like he has her best interests at heart. I think having an unbiased, professional conservator keep track of her money makes the most sense. It's not even that she would spend it all, but I could see her being preyed upon by people with ill intent. See, my take is opposite. If her shows are robotic, she’s drugged more than she is suffering from her illness. A mentally ill person couldn’t perform one robotic show after another without showing some signs of breaking. A person who is drugged is. I firmly believe they are over drugging her and claiming it’s for her own good. Mentally ill Britney shaved her head and took umbrellas to cars. She showed extreme highs and lows, as characterized by being bipolar, and she showed emotion. A lot of emotion. This catatonic person we are seeing reminds of what it’s like when I visit an inpatient rehab for severely psychotic people-theyre heavily drugged and they’re almost robotic.
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Post by elaine on Feb 21, 2021 20:03:43 GMT
In regards to her shows: I took my girls to see her and she was like a robot. Not one spontaneous moment and overly rehearsed. It was like she was sleepwalking. So, I wouldn't take the fact that she performs on stage as an indicator that she should be in charge of her finances. I think she's mentally ill - have you seen the recent videos she's shared on Instagram? She's like a child. I'm not sure what her diagnosis is, but she really doesn't seem well. At all. All that being said, her father doesn't always come across like he has her best interests at heart. I think having an unbiased, professional conservator keep track of her money makes the most sense. It's not even that she would spend it all, but I could see her being preyed upon by people with ill intent. See, my take is opposite. If her shows are robotic, she’s drugged more than she is suffering from her illness. A mentally ill person couldn’t perform one robotic show after another without showing some signs of breaking. A person who is drugged is. I firmly believe they are over drugging her and claiming it’s for her own good. Mentally ill Britney shaved her head and took umbrellas to cars. She showed extreme highs and lows, as characterized by being bipolar, and she showed emotion. A lot of emotion. This catatonic person we are seeing reminds of what it’s like when I visit an inpatient rehab for severely psychotic people-theyre heavily drugged and they’re almost robotic. FYI, Peabay is a Clinical Psychologist. I think that her opinion is as valid, at least, as yours as a School Psychologist. YMMV. eta: Peabay has been judicious, in my experience, over the years in her comments on what she observes about people’s mental health. I trust her opinions.
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Feb 21, 2021 20:58:25 GMT
pinklady I have not followed her story much at all..actually thought there was already a conservatorship. Is this documentary on HULU?? I think it is but I have spectrum cable and it was in the on demand section under the “New York Times Presents” series. It was free to watch
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Post by elaine on Feb 21, 2021 22:43:09 GMT
FYI, Peabay is a Clinical Psychologist. I think that her opinion is as valid, at least, as yours as a School Psychologist. YMMV. eta: Peabay has been judicious, in my experience, over the years in her comments on what she observes about people’s mental health. I trust her opinions. I’m well aware of what her training is. Yours too. I’m not sure why I can’t be allowed to have a difference of opinion? What the is the point of your post??? I didn’t attack peabay (and I wouldn’t). I didn’t say anything about anyone’s training. I said my take is the opposite than hers and it still is. My mileage won’t vary knowing her training since I already know it. My opinion 100% stands as I wrote it. The bottom line is we are speculating as Britney is none of our patient so we can differ in our opinions. For fucks sake. This is why I rarely post anymore. Back to staying off this board.. It’s become so damn toxic and I’m so much happier without it. I don’t know why I keep coming back. You certainly are entitled to your opinion. You came across, to me, to be contradicting her and talking down to her as to why her judgment was off-base in your opinion, so I wasn’t sure if you were aware of her training. And I’m sincerely sorry that my eta: came across as rude to you, that wasn’t my intent. It was to highlight that I don’t think that Peabay throws out statements about someone seeming to be mentally ill without cautious consideration. It was an observation only about her, and honestly not about you. My apologies if I hurt you.
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Post by Zee on Feb 21, 2021 22:49:12 GMT
In regards to her shows: I took my girls to see her and she was like a robot. Not one spontaneous moment and overly rehearsed. It was like she was sleepwalking. So, I wouldn't take the fact that she performs on stage as an indicator that she should be in charge of her finances. I think she's mentally ill - have you seen the recent videos she's shared on Instagram? She's like a child. I'm not sure what her diagnosis is, but she really doesn't seem well. At all. All that being said, her father doesn't always come across like he has her best interests at heart. I think having an unbiased, professional conservator keep track of her money makes the most sense. It's not even that she would spend it all, but I could see her being preyed upon by people with ill intent. See, my take is opposite. If her shows are robotic, she’s drugged more than she is suffering from her illness. A mentally ill person couldn’t perform one robotic show after another without showing some signs of breaking. A person who is drugged is. I firmly believe they are over drugging her and claiming it’s for her own good. Mentally ill Britney shaved her head and took umbrellas to cars. She showed extreme highs and lows, as characterized by being bipolar, and she showed emotion. A lot of emotion. This catatonic person we are seeing reminds of what it’s like when I visit an inpatient rehab for severely psychotic people-theyre heavily drugged and they’re almost robotic. Do you follow her on IG? She's not catatonic and doesn't appear to be drugged. She's very childlike though. I'm glad someone is looking out for her even if she doesn't like it. Her bank of her choosing was awarded joint financial conservatorship with her father, so her dad doesn't have total control. And he hasn't had conservatorship of her person for some time. Someone else does. She hasn't had custody of the boys for a long time and there's a reason for that. But I certainly wish all the best for her.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 23:58:26 GMT
I watched the documentary a few weeks ago. I also checked out her IG. I was shocked to see her dance posts. She still dresses & acts the way she did when she was 19 or 20. She seems to be stuck in the past.
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