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Post by joblackford on Mar 2, 2021 21:01:18 GMT
Did anyone see this on IG or the original Reddit post? Feminist Cross Stitch books ordered destroyed by Michaels... Quoting the author's post in case the IG post is deleted or you can't see it. Apparently, according to the comments, Michaels does carry coloring books with "swears" so their issue may have been political, not language-based. @ stephxstitch (Stephanie Rohr) http://instagram.com/p/CL7S8xhnWbk
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Post by wendifful on Mar 2, 2021 21:21:42 GMT
So I can't comment on why this may have happened, but as someone who used to work for a large craft chain, we destroyed books all the time. When books were being phased out for new ones, we'd have to tear up the old ones and throw them away, per a directive from the company. I know this is a common occurrence in book stores too. I agree that it's a waste...but I also know that there's not really a great solution, because if the books are donated, or sold for like 10 cents, the company's brand can be devalued and people will no longer be willing to pay full price for the books. Regardless of the motivation behind the recall, if Michael's decided to pull the books, it probably would have cost more/been more of a waste (with regards to shipping fees/fuel burned) to ship a few books from hundreds of stores. It's much cheaper to destroy them.
I can understand the author's disappointment regarding the timing/reasoning, but this is literally the life cycle of most physical books, so I'm surprised she didn't know that. (ETA: this sounds heartless but I just mean that these days, the value/price of a book reflects the idea/intellectual property more than its physical aspect.)
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Post by mom on Mar 2, 2021 21:34:35 GMT
The book was released in Feb 2019. I am also wondering if it was destroyed because its being phased out? Its a two year old book. Probably time for Michaels to update their offerings.
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Post by JavaJones on Mar 2, 2021 21:57:43 GMT
I don't even cross stitch, but now I want that book!!!
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 2, 2021 22:03:20 GMT
This is unfortunately a practice alive and well around the globe. Contrary to popular belief, more books than ever before are published and printed year after year. The destruction of books is not only a matter of the franchises selling them but first and foremost of the publishers. Approximately 15-20% of all books printed end up being destroyed. That's 1 in 5. As mom pointed out, 2 years is a full cycle and "old enough" to be worthy of the bin treatment. The turnover rate is only getting harsher with the ever-increasing speed at which books are being promoted (in great part on social media) and FOMO'd over. It's time to slow things down and start taxing publishers significantly for the books ordered to be destructed, alas. This is an ecological absurdity, especially when you consider how little recycled paper is used by publishers. The hypocrisy of the book lobbies' "oh, it's ok, it's getting recycled" excuse is ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 22:04:57 GMT
I just don't like that her followers are canceling Michael's and returning just bought items without a full statement from her publisher and or Michael's. 🤷♀️
Why are people so quick to go after a brand or company without all details revealed?
Having dealt with a bookstore for Marketing/Advertising, yes books that are no longer in rotation are destroyed. Just how it is.
Honestly, she should have been way more professional, taken a step back, talked to her publisher, then shared the details IF it was indeed due to the contents.
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Post by jediannie on Mar 2, 2021 23:35:03 GMT
It looks like the post was removed from Instagram.
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Post by joblackford on Mar 2, 2021 23:35:27 GMT
The book was released in Feb 2019. I am also wondering if it was destroyed because its being phased out? Its a two year old book. Probably time for Michaels to update their offerings. My understanding (which is obvs incomplete ETA and maybe completely wrong!) was that this was a brand new order coming in, not a book that had been carried in Michaels for a long time and was now being removed. That's based on how she was talking about it in the comments, but it looks like the post is gone now, so who knows? I don't think she knows the full story either so probably best not to rush to judgement. I just checked her IG and she has archived the post until she can find out more, which is a belatedly sensible move. http://instagr.am/p/CL7t3eknE32
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 3, 2021 3:24:57 GMT
I watched a YouTuber go through a Michael's dumpster (a few months ago). They took out 300 kits of missions from California. None destroyed- just dumped. They pulled them all and gave to schools and old folks home. Why would they dump them? Who knows?
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Post by artsyk on Mar 3, 2021 3:57:59 GMT
Corporate policy - They used to do it with out of date magazines when I worked there. They ripped the covers off (I think they got some sort of credit for it?) and trashed them.
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Post by joblackford on Mar 3, 2021 5:34:55 GMT
Corporate policy - They used to do it with out of date magazines when I worked there. They ripped the covers off (I think they got some sort of credit for it?) and trashed them. Yup. That sounds like standard publishing policy - defacing or tearing off the covers of destroyed books/mags. i remember doing that when I worked in a bookshop many moons ago. Magazines aren’t much use once the new issue comes out.
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Post by sueg on Mar 3, 2021 6:39:56 GMT
Corporate policy - They used to do it with out of date magazines when I worked there. They ripped the covers off (I think they got some sort of credit for it?) and trashed them. And not just Michaels corporate policy -it is pretty standard in the publishing world, especially magazines and paperbacks. If you look at the page of a paperback book with all the copyright info (I know this page has a proper name, it's just not coming to mind right now), you will often see a comment like - If you bought this book without a cover, you should be aware that is is stolen property. It was reported as 'unsold and destroyed' to the publisher, and neither the author or the publisher has received any payment for this 'stripped book' (copied from a paperback I found on my bookcase)
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Post by hop2 on Mar 3, 2021 13:42:37 GMT
I watched a YouTuber go through a Michael's dumpster (a few months ago). They took out 300 kits of missions from California. None destroyed- just dumped. They pulled them all and gave to schools and old folks home. Why would they dump them? Who knows? when I worked in a fabric store we had to do the same thing with patterns. Throw out the pattern give/send back the envelope. It was industry standard. I’ve bought my fair share of sewing patterns in my day. And I know people took the un enveloped patterns home or out of our dumpster. Back then all the envelope info was in the pattern book which were also dumped at the end of the season. Today I can imagine all that info is o line somewhere so I wonder if they destroy the patterns now rather than just take the envelopes. We also had to tear the covers off craft magazines & throw out the rest. We did not have to destroy the rest as long as we tore off the cover. Back then the pattern companies & magazine companies took the envelopes & covers back with the next delivery
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Post by Elsabelle on Mar 3, 2021 18:38:53 GMT
I worked at a book store as a teen and just about every week we’d have a list of books that got tossed. We’d tear off the covers and the manager would look the other way if we wanted to take some home. But the rest went into the dumpster. It’s a common practice and didn’t target specific genres.
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Post by vexedangel on Mar 3, 2021 18:39:25 GMT
It's so wasteful. I wish the laws would change.
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Post by jediannie on Mar 3, 2021 18:57:39 GMT
It's so wasteful. I wish the laws would change. Agreed. My sister used to work for Barnes and Noble and she was so upset every time she had to remove the covers from books.
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Post by ecvnj58 on Mar 3, 2021 19:07:58 GMT
This happens all over the retail industry. It’s so sad because a lot of stuff goes to waste. I have heard clothing and makeup and returns through companies like Amazon.
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Post by joblackford on Mar 3, 2021 19:14:29 GMT
The wastefulness of the book dumping is one thing that's bothersome but sadly normal.
I'm waiting for clarification of whether this was 1. books taken down from display after weeks or months of being available and dumped (normal) or 2. a new product order (a book that just got picked up by Michaels, something they hadn't stocked before) that was then immediately pulled and dumped (which would seem not to be normal).
The latter is what the original posts made it sound like. The author was excited that her book would be carried by a nationwide chain and then was disappointed and confused that they destroyed it. I can't imagine that she would've been so upset about the normal kind of dumping - as people have said, she should've known about that.
I'm frustrated that the original posts are gone so there's no way to clarify which situation this is. Anyway, the author is being sensible and waiting to hear back from her publisher. Hopefully we'll get some more info soon.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 3, 2021 19:42:56 GMT
I'm frustrated that the original posts are gone so there's no way to clarify which situation this is. Do you have the original Reddit discussion thread URL? I'm having issues coming up with the thread through basic Google search. It should still be archived even if the original post has been deleted. ETA: Rohr's book is now #1 in Cross-Stitch on Amazon US. The uproar and drama paid off, whether intentional or not.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Mar 3, 2021 23:17:29 GMT
When I worked for Michael's, I felt like I wasn't trusted. After gathering things I was told to gather, the store manager made a coworker accompany me to receiving to make sure the items were put into the trash and immediately compacted. I felt like he presumed I was going to sneak in and steal them or something...if he had instructed me to do it, I would have followed orders. Destruction of phased out goods was required by policy.
At any rate, there was a big thing a few years back about 'penny items' because that's how they indicated items were due to be pulled and destroyed. Problem was, a lot of customers started to find them before staff could pull the items. Eventually they stopped marking anything down past 90% but it was also the birth of the grab bag and grab box policy given one of the dominant reasons for people getting onto the penny bandwagon was because they were pissed that those items were going to be destroyed rather than donated. That's still their current policy, so I don't believe that destruction of this particular item would fall in line with that UNLESS they had some sort of agreement with the company they work with. If it was a book in the front of the store rather than a book in the cross stitching aisle, those products aren't stocked by M's...think of it like Coca-Cola stocking their own products in a grocery store. M's has a 3rd party stock the books at the front of the store (which is why they'd always been banned from coupons, even after the coupon policy became more generous prior to the pandemic) and the company that stocks the books remain the owners of them.
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Post by joblackford on Mar 4, 2021 0:47:48 GMT
I'm frustrated that the original posts are gone so there's no way to clarify which situation this is. Do you have the original Reddit discussion thread URL? I'm having issues coming up with the thread through basic Google search. It should still be archived even if the original post has been deleted. ETA: Rohr's book is now #1 in Cross-Stitch on Amazon US. The uproar and drama paid off, whether intentional or not. Sorry, I never saw it. It had been deleted before I saw the original IG post and I'm not sure how to find it. It was posted by the daughter of someone who "rescued" one of the books and Michaels was possibly not named in it, as far as I could tell. People expressed surprise that it was a nationwide chain who did it rather than a small shop like they had assumed.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Mar 4, 2021 1:18:46 GMT
Do you have the original Reddit discussion thread URL? I'm having issues coming up with the thread through basic Google search. It should still be archived even if the original post has been deleted. ETA: Rohr's book is now #1 in Cross-Stitch on Amazon US. The uproar and drama paid off, whether intentional or not. Sorry, I never saw it. It had been deleted before I saw the original IG post and I'm not sure how to find it. It was posted by the daughter of someone who "rescued" one of the books and Michaels was possibly not named in it, as far as I could tell. People expressed surprise that it was a nationwide chain who did it rather than a small shop like they had assumed. I also find it weird that this is being passed along as what...some sort of political statement by M's? M's has been doing everything they can to dip their hands into every movement. They have had releases in papercrafting alone centered around autism, pride (LGBTQ+), Black history/empowerment, religion etc, nevermind in other areas of the store. Why would they suddenly want to take a stance AGAINST feminism being that the majority of their income likely comes from women?
ETA: Basically, I feel like there's got to be more to the story than just what the author is saying and accusing Michael's of and it's awfully convenient that she is pushing this and profiting off of doing so.
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Post by jediannie on Mar 4, 2021 1:43:47 GMT
Found out why they removed the book, it’s because of swear words in it. I’m not the person they’re responding to so I blocked out the name although you can probably find it on their Instagram page. Here’s a screenshot of their response.
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Post by joblackford on Mar 4, 2021 2:24:38 GMT
ETA: Basically, I feel like there's got to be more to the story than just what the author is saying and accusing Michael's of and it's awfully convenient that she is pushing this and profiting off of doing so. I would be upset if I were her, if she had heard that she'd been picked up by a nationwide chain and then nope, they'd changed their minds once they opened the book and were dumping it (metaphorically or literally). She didn't seem to know what was going on when she first posted, and yes, she should've waited until she knew more, but it sounded like people were asking her about the Reddit thread. I didn't get the sense that she's being calculated about this or deliberately trying to damage Michaels - just being rash and jumping to conclusions/allowing other people to jump to conclusions. I don't think she's going to get rich on this scandal. And Michaels apparently doesn't check all of their books because lots of people have said they bought "profane" coloring books there - maybe they have different swear words, maybe fewer f-bombs. IDK. Could those be in the magazine part of the store, controlled by someone else? Next time I'm in there I'm going to be looking. I find it a bit odd that Michaels would order a book with 4 patterns with the word fuck in them and not notice until the book arrived. It's fairly obvious to me that the book probably contains some language... I guess their book buyers are not very sharp. But I'm glad to hear that Michaels didn't veto it because of the political content. That seemed out of character.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Mar 4, 2021 5:55:50 GMT
ETA: Basically, I feel like there's got to be more to the story than just what the author is saying and accusing Michael's of and it's awfully convenient that she is pushing this and profiting off of doing so. I would be upset if I were her, if she had heard that she'd been picked up by a nationwide chain and then nope, they'd changed their minds once they opened the book and were dumping it (metaphorically or literally). She didn't seem to know what was going on when she first posted, and yes, she should've waited until she knew more, but it sounded like people were asking her about the Reddit thread. I didn't get the sense that she's being calculated about this or deliberately trying to damage Michaels - just being rash and jumping to conclusions/allowing other people to jump to conclusions. I don't think she's going to get rich on this scandal. And Michaels apparently doesn't check all of their books because lots of people have said they bought "profane" coloring books there - maybe they have different swear words, maybe fewer f-bombs. IDK. Could those be in the magazine part of the store, controlled by someone else? Next time I'm in there I'm going to be looking. I find it a bit odd that Michaels would order a book with 4 patterns with the word fuck in them and not notice until the book arrived. It's fairly obvious to me that the book probably contains some language... I guess their book buyers are not very sharp. But I'm glad to hear that Michaels didn't veto it because of the political content. That seemed out of character. I think one could argue that removing profanity would be failing to be inclusive in the grand scheme of things, too. I don't include swearing in my crafts but it is a constant part of my daily speech and I know many who do include it in their crafts. It's a shame that language that doesn't include hate speech is being censored.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Mar 4, 2021 13:16:41 GMT
Do you have the original Reddit discussion thread URL? I'm having issues coming up with the thread through basic Google search. It should still be archived even if the original post has been deleted. Sorry, I never saw it. It had been deleted before I saw the original IG post and I'm not sure how to find it. It was posted by the daughter of someone who "rescued" one of the books and Michaels was possibly not named in it, as far as I could tell. People expressed surprise that it was a nationwide chain who did it rather than a small shop like they had assumed. The whole thread was deleted? That's mod power nuking. A basic Redditor can't delete a thread even if they started it. I tried finding traces of it in several applicable subreddits yesterday but nothing. Not even a discussion about how a discussion was deleted. Anyhoo, by "archived", the author means she has deleted the post. I went through ALL of her saved IG stories in the hopes of finding a crumb but nada. I can't get much straight. No screenshots. The evidence binder is empty. Between IG and Reddit, I've spent a solid hour on this. I give up on this story. Somebody tag me if there's evidence at some point, merci. Really, all I want is the OG Reddit thread for the drama.
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