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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 5, 2021 4:03:06 GMT
I can do just about anything I want with my Cameo, but there is one thing I cannot seem to figure out, and because of that, I still buy dies. As much as I am happy to support companies like Queen & Co., it would be really nice to use my cutter to save money. Dies are expensive.
I love the stitched look that you get with dies. I have tried to get the same look of stitching with my Cameo, but the stitch line is very subtle. Even doing a double or triple cut of the stitched line doesn’t give it nearly as pronounced a stitch like the dies do. It’s not even close.
Is it even possible to mimic the stitched look that dies give? If so, how?
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scrapnnana
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 5, 2021 6:01:10 GMT
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Post by wendifful on Mar 5, 2021 7:28:00 GMT
Hmmm, interesting, thanks for sharing that tutorial! I'm not sure that technique will replace faux stitching dies for me, because I love the details that the pressure of manual die cutting provides. I have a Silhouette Cameo and a manual die cutter and I've found that I use each for different things. I love using my Silhouette for: 1) 3D cards, boxes, crafts 2) Print and cut 3) One-off designs (something I'm only going to use once and don't want to pay $$$ for a physical die) 4) Cutting out stamped images 5) Mass producing (it does the work for me!) I use my manual die cutter for: 1) Dies with stitching, piercing and embossing 2) Super intricate designs 3) Basic shapes I'll use again and again (like A2 layering dies) Of course, I haven't always followed this rule of thumb, but over the past year, I've been more observant of my crafting habits and decided on this system to help guide me for future purchases. Before acquiring either machine, I remember spending a lot of time agonizing over manual vs electronic. My mom actually bought the Silhouette as a Christmas present for me, which solved my initial dilemma! I later picked up a manual die cut machine mostly to do letterpress with the L Letterpress platform, but then began doing die cutting as well. Obviously having either one is a luxury, but for me, I think they're two very different tools, so I prefer a hybrid approach. Anyway, that's my late night musings on die cutting! Fascinating stuff, I know!
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 5, 2021 10:28:55 GMT
wendifful, I love my Cameo and my manual die cutter for all of the same reasons that you do. You listed some excellent criteria for both. Each has advantages and disadvantages. Recent family challenges, however, have made me re-evaluate how much money I spend on crafts. So many of the dies that I bought and expected to use over and over are not actually being used. Even though I prefer dies for certain things, I simply can’t justify spending as much on crafts as I have done in the past. Not everyone can afford an electronic cutter. Not everyone can afford to invest in a manual die cutting machine and dies, either. I have friends who manage to enjoy paper crafting without either system, while I am blessed to have both. If I ever have to make a choice between the two systems eventually, my electronic cutter would win because I can do more with it. I hope that I never have to make that choice, but I really do need to cut my crafty spending. The logical place to cut is to stop buying so many dies. Since some of my dies have been bought mainly because they have stitching, I want to see if my Cameo can give me a satisfactory solution.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 5, 2021 15:59:39 GMT
Results: yes, it worked, but dies still win when it comes to the nicest stitched edge.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 5, 2021 16:09:05 GMT
I agree the dies are great for stitching, but the size (and expense) of the dies is much more limiting. Good to know you can put stitching on your shapes is you want them.
I was even more surprised by the ad for the new Silhouette. I had no idea they were making a 2 footer! I haven't investigated it enough to know what people are making with that size of a Silhouette. I am sure it is signs of all kinds.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 5, 2021 16:34:12 GMT
I agree the dies are great for stitching, but the size (and expense) of the dies is much more limiting. Good to know you can put stitching on your shapes is you want them. I was even more surprised by the ad for the new Silhouette. I had no idea they were making a 2 footer! I haven't investigated it enough to know what people are making with that size of a Silhouette. I am sure it is signs of all kinds. Signs, definitely, but probably also for those who want to decorate their walls, or use it for a home based business.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 5, 2021 16:39:23 GMT
I agree the dies are great for stitching, but the size (and expense) of the dies is much more limiting. Good to know you can put stitching on your shapes is you want them. I was even more surprised by the ad for the new Silhouette. I had no idea they were making a 2 footer! I haven't investigated it enough to know what people are making with that size of a Silhouette. I am sure it is signs of all kinds. Signs, definitely, but probably also for those who want to decorate their walls, or use it for a home based business. I was including the signs as the wall decorations. I had to laugh at the Progressive commercial where the guy asks if you have to have a sign to live laugh, and love. My oldest, 26, has always made fun of those signs. I told him that was fine, but I was going to put pictures of the dogs up instead. I also have to laugh because his girlfriend makes seasonal decorations on the side and now he has some of those signs in his house.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 5, 2021 17:21:28 GMT
I was thinking that signs are more like the wood type that you have to hang on the wall. I think of vinyl on walls as wall art. I would love to do some wall art, just not the common trite sayings that are so prevalent. However, I have textured walls, so no wall art will be happening here.
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 5, 2021 17:44:28 GMT
I was thinking that signs are more like the wood type that you have to hang on the wall. I think of vinyl on walls as wall art. I would love to do some wall art, just not the common trite sayings that are so prevalent. However, I have textured walls, so no wall art will be happening here. I have been gifted several of these. A few I put on glass with a wood frame. I have also made these for a few friends for laundry rooms. They are a great way to decorate a wall for not much money.
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Post by wendifful on Mar 5, 2021 19:46:59 GMT
wendifful , I love my Cameo and my manual die cutter for all of the same reasons that you do. You listed some excellent criteria for both. Each has advantages and disadvantages. Recent family challenges, however, have made me re-evaluate how much money I spend on crafts. So many of the dies that I bought and expected to use over and over are not actually being used. Even though I prefer dies for certain things, I simply can’t justify spending as much on crafts as I have done in the past. Not everyone can afford an electronic cutter. Not everyone can afford to invest in a manual die cutting machine and dies, either. I have friends who manage to enjoy paper crafting without either system, while I am blessed to have both. If I ever have to make a choice between the two systems eventually, my electronic cutter would win because I can do more with it. I hope that I never have to make that choice, but I really do need to cut my crafty spending. The logical place to cut is to stop buying so many dies. Since some of my dies have been bought mainly because they have stitching, I want to see if my Cameo can give me a satisfactory solution. Sorry to hear about the family challenges, I hope things get better for you and your loved ones. I agree with you that having either die cutting system is a luxury, not a need, and that I've wasted a lot of money on metal dies that were not worth the investment. I feel like as a crafter, my understanding/enjoyment of my process deepens/changes the longer I do it, so I think it's all about finding what works for you personally, not just creatively but financially as well. I shared on another thread that lately, I've decided that before buying anything, I'll ask myself, "Will I really use this?" Instead of just looking at the end result (like a beautiful card), I think logically about if this is the kind of product I've used in the past and if I'll be inspired to pick it up when I want to create. (Like layering stamps...love the look, hate the work!) Of course, we all occasionally fall victim to a good sale or irresistible product, but this definitely helps cut down on unneeded purchases for me! Kudos to you for finding solutions that work for you!
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Post by wendifful on Mar 5, 2021 19:48:59 GMT
Signs, definitely, but probably also for those who want to decorate their walls, or use it for a home based business. I was including the signs as the wall decorations. I had to laugh at the Progressive commercial where the guy asks if you have to have a sign to live laugh, and love. My oldest, 26, has always made fun of those signs. I told him that was fine, but I was going to put pictures of the dogs up instead. I also have to laugh because his girlfriend makes seasonal decorations on the side and now he has some of those signs in his house. If you haven't seen it, SNL recently did a sketch about the ubiquity of these types of signs (especially the drinking-themed ones). It's pretty funny!
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Post by 950nancy on Mar 5, 2021 20:09:18 GMT
I was including the signs as the wall decorations. I had to laugh at the Progressive commercial where the guy asks if you have to have a sign to live laugh, and love. My oldest, 26, has always made fun of those signs. I told him that was fine, but I was going to put pictures of the dogs up instead. I also have to laugh because his girlfriend makes seasonal decorations on the side and now he has some of those signs in his house. If you haven't seen it, SNL recently did a sketch about the ubiquity of these types of signs (especially the drinking-themed ones). It's pretty funny! I did see that one. Kind of sad, but yes, funny.
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Post by riversong1963 on Mar 5, 2021 23:04:59 GMT
That was a pretty funny sketch. TFS!
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Post by Basket1lady on Mar 6, 2021 23:15:44 GMT
Results: yes, it worked, but dies still win when it comes to the nicest stitched edge. I fuss with the dashes to get the look that I want. I also have a small stylus with a ball at the end. I use this to run along the edges of my Cameo cuts. It gives a slight beveled edge to the die cuts, similar to what you get with a physical die. It’s not quite as much, but I prefer the softer edge over the straight 90 degree cut of my Cameo.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 7, 2021 1:25:56 GMT
Results: yes, it worked, but dies still win when it comes to the nicest stitched edge. I fuss with the dashes to get the look that I want. I also have a small stylus with a ball at the end. I use this to run along the edges of my Cameo cuts. It gives a slight beveled edge to the die cuts, similar to what you get with a physical die. It’s not quite as much, but I prefer the softer edge over the straight 90 degree cut of my Cameo. I’ve tried the stylus trick, too. It adds to the time it takes. Multiply that amount of time by each time that I want that stitched shape, and it may make more sense to just buy the die, especially since it still doesn’t look quite as good. Part of what bothers me is that the smallest dashed line in the Cameo is too small, too close together. It’s almost more like dots. The next smallest dash line is a bit too long and too far apart for my taste. I’d like a dashed line option that is in between the two. But what also bothered me is that in the dashed line for that second to the smallest one, each dash seemed to be angled slightly outward. (I was cutting a circle. If I’d been cutting something with straight lines, it probably wouldn’t have been an issue.) It seemed just a tiny bit “off.” I’m disappointed that I didn’t get better results with the Cameo for stitching, but it just means that if I want that neat stitch line, I’ll have to save up and be very picky about which dies I buy....or live without stitch lines some of the time. I still love my Cameo, even if it didn’t do what I hoped.
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Post by Basket1lady on Mar 7, 2021 12:30:46 GMT
I fuss with the dashes to get the look that I want. I also have a small stylus with a ball at the end. I use this to run along the edges of my Cameo cuts. It gives a slight beveled edge to the die cuts, similar to what you get with a physical die. It’s not quite as much, but I prefer the softer edge over the straight 90 degree cut of my Cameo. I’ve tried the stylus trick, too. It adds to the time it takes. Multiply that amount of time by each time that I want that stitched shape, and it may make more sense to just buy the die, especially since it still doesn’t look quite as good. Part of what bothers me is that the smallest dashed line in the Cameo is too small, too close together. It’s almost more like dots. The next smallest dash line is a bit too long and too far apart for my taste. I’d like a dashed line option that is in between the two. But what also bothered me is that in the dashed line for that second to the smallest one, each dash seemed to be angled slightly outward. (I was cutting a circle. If I’d been cutting something with straight lines, it probably wouldn’t have been an issue.) It seemed just a tiny bit “off.” I’m disappointed that I didn’t get better results with the Cameo for stitching, but it just means that if I want that neat stitch line, I’ll have to save up and be very picky about which dies I buy....or live without stitch lines some of the time. I still love my Cameo, even if it didn’t do what I hoped. I agree that the dies still look the best. And yes, using the stylus can be quite time consuming! I use a different method when I add stitched lines to a design. I make a line of dashes (just from the keyboard) and then drag it to my shape, adding it just like I do curved text that follows the shape. It works better if you make a second shape that is inset to the first, like the link does for the first step. Try that and see if you like the look better. Different fonts will give you different widths and lengths of the dashes, as does increasing and decreasing the font size.
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 8, 2021 14:10:27 GMT
Thanks, Basket1lady! I will give that a try. I know that machine stitching won’t look quite as good as dies, no matter what, but I don’t expect machine stitching to look as good. I just want it to look better defined than what I typically get. I bought my first electronic cutter (a Wishblade) back in 2005, so that I could use it for titles. I do so much more with it than I ever expected at first. I no longer buy alphabet dies or stickers, but I do still buy dies for some things. I definitely need to be pickier about future purchases, no matter what, so if I can get a decent stitched look, that would help remove at least some of the temptation to buy dies.
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Post by Basket1lady on Mar 8, 2021 17:04:02 GMT
Thanks, Basket1lady ! I will give that a try. I know that machine stitching won’t look quite as good as dies, no matter what, but I don’t expect machine stitching to look as good. I just want it to look better defined than what I typically get. I bought my first electronic cutter (a Wishblade) back in 2005, so that I could use it for titles. I do so much more with it than I ever expected at first. I no longer buy alphabet dies or stickers, but I do still buy dies for some things. I definitely need to be pickier about future purchases, no matter what, so if I can get a decent stitched look, that would help remove at least some of the temptation to buy dies. I don’t buy a lot of stitched dies. I like the look, but not the cost of so many sets. I have so many does now that I’m just trying to use my Cameo to bridge the gap. But, check eBay for fonts. I’ve added so many sets over the years, many for only about $10. I did this earlier on when people were ditching their manual does because they had bought the brand new Cricut or Portrait (I told you this was a while ago!) But then, do you need the manual dies when you have a digital die cutter and dafont?!
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Post by scrapnnana on Mar 9, 2021 1:02:30 GMT
Thanks, Basket1lady ! I will give that a try. I know that machine stitching won’t look quite as good as dies, no matter what, but I don’t expect machine stitching to look as good. I just want it to look better defined than what I typically get. I bought my first electronic cutter (a Wishblade) back in 2005, so that I could use it for titles. I do so much more with it than I ever expected at first. I no longer buy alphabet dies or stickers, but I do still buy dies for some things. I definitely need to be pickier about future purchases, no matter what, so if I can get a decent stitched look, that would help remove at least some of the temptation to buy dies. I don’t buy a lot of stitched dies. I like the look, but not the cost of so many sets. I have so many does now that I’m just trying to use my Cameo to bridge the gap. But, check eBay for fonts. I’ve added so many sets over the years, many for only about $10. I did this earlier on when people were ditching their manual does because they had bought the brand new Cricut or Portrait (I told you this was a while ago!) But then, do you need the manual dies when you have a digital die cutter and dafont?!Nope! I love fonts. I’ve even bought a few. Cutting titles, especially welded ones is one of my favorite things to do with my Cameo. Titles don’t need stitching IMO, but I do like stitching for a lot of other things. When the shutdowns began last year, I was disappointed to realize there would be no conventions for me in 2020. I started looking online at vendors that I had seen at past conventions, and since shaker cards had made a comeback, I started shopping online at Queen & Co. They have a lot of fun dies, most of which are stitched. I am a bit addicted, although I think I would be quite happy to just add a decorative stitch to shapes that I either own or make, IF I can get an acceptable machine stitch with the Cameo.
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