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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Mar 7, 2021 13:12:11 GMT
A friend in veterinary medicine shared this on Facebook. “If you are linked to a person on social media who works in veterinary medicine you may have noticed them changing their profile picture to include "NOMV" with the Rod of Asclepius. Some of you may know, but if you don't, NOMV stands for Not One More Vet, because we have one of the highest suicide rates of any profession. When you see your friend or social media acquaintance change their profile, it's usually because they have learned of another colleague that succumbed to suicide. Be kind to your veterinary staff. From the front desk staff, technicians, kennel attendants and doctors. We are literally dying trying to help you.” www.globalvetlink.com/news/how-not-one-more-vet-nomv-is-supporting-veterinary-professionals/I think awareness is always good. I honestly had no idea that the suicide rate was that high among vets.
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 7, 2021 13:22:00 GMT
Awful. I had no idea.
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Post by peabay on Mar 7, 2021 13:25:20 GMT
Being around grieving families so often must be really, really hard.
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Post by purplebee on Mar 7, 2021 13:37:31 GMT
Yes. A veterinarian friend just posted this on FB.
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Post by peasapie on Mar 7, 2021 13:53:17 GMT
I had no idea what that meant and appreciate you sharing. Imagine having a job where your patients are almost always afraid of you and when they get old or sick you have to put them to sleep.
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Post by busy on Mar 7, 2021 14:02:38 GMT
Being around grieving families so often must be really, really hard. And literally every day, they are tasked with ending animal's lives. Not to mention the side of humanity they see - so many animals suffering either through passive neglect or through active abuse. Having to put to sleep many animals because the owners cannot afford the care that might let them survive - and yet the vets themselves cannot afford to charge less if they want to stay in business and have a decent life. When I was about 28, I went back to school so I could go to vet school. I took a couple science courses I needed as prereqs that I didn't take I college the first time, and volunteered 12 hrs/wk with a local vet. I loved it working with the vet and it was also beyond horrible. As someone who has struggled with depression most of my life, including a few very severe periods, I decided it was not in the best interests of my mental health to pursue the the career after all.
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 7, 2021 14:04:04 GMT
I'm so glad they are talking about it. I knew, because many years ago my sweet, loving veterinarian cousin, JM, died by suicide.
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Post by iluvpink on Mar 7, 2021 14:28:09 GMT
I remember reading an article about this subject, sometime in the last year or so. So sad.
My dd is a huge animal lover and while her math/science skills would never have her going to veterinary school, she did consider becoming a vet tech. But she struggles with anxiety and depression and decided it would not be a good field for her mental health.
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Post by Basket1lady on Mar 7, 2021 14:48:08 GMT
Yes. I have a few friends who are vets and I’ve seen this go back up on their pages this week. A very good friend of mine talks quite openly about this. She serves a local homeless community and freely takes donations to support the tent community. She also runs what she calls her “xyz home for mother’s” and has had 2-3 litters per year over the years with canine moms who come into the shelters and need a calm place to birth and nurse their puppies. Daily she hears about how heartless she is and how she charges too much. It’s a lot to bear. She has a nice home, but it isn’t fancy. She’s one of my favorite people ever.
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Post by gizzy on Mar 7, 2021 15:09:45 GMT
I didn't know that. How sad.
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Post by busy on Mar 7, 2021 15:13:11 GMT
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Post by librarylady on Mar 7, 2021 15:24:33 GMT
Dentists have a high rate as well.
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Post by janeinbama on Mar 7, 2021 15:29:00 GMT
I just heard that this week, as our community lost a young vet this week. So sad.
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Post by Really Red on Mar 7, 2021 15:34:19 GMT
I am surprised to hear this. I wonder why? I know the people I know who are vets are SO caring and compassionate, but that the reason they are vets is because they prefer animals to humans. I wonder if there is a proclivity in this profession for depression prior to becoming a vet? Animals are incredible companions.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 7, 2021 15:35:45 GMT
That is really sad. Back when I was very little I used to think I wanted to be a Veterinarian, but around the age of 6 or 7 I realized what a sad job that would be. I appreciate the kindness and compassion all our vets have shown my pets and myself throughout my life. I have always sent a thank you note after they have had to help me say goodbye to a pet or have to handle their cremation for us (we have had a few pass away at home), but I think I will just send our vet’s office a card this week to let them know thankful we are for them and their kind care they provide.
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Post by Horse scrap on Mar 7, 2021 15:40:09 GMT
I am surprised to hear this. I wonder why? I know the people I know who are vets are SO caring and compassionate, but that the reason they are vets is because they prefer animals to humans. I wonder if there is a proclivity in this profession for depression prior to becoming a vet? Animals are incredible companions. Here is how my niece, who is a vet, explains it. Imagine going in and doing a well puppy check- everyone is happy. Your next patient is a dog filled w/cancer and you have to put him to sleep- with the grieving family there- it’s heart wrenching. Then you have to put your happy face on and go to the next patient. Your emotions and all over the place- everyday. It takes a toll. My niece regularly meets w/a vet mentor to process the emotions.
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Post by gramasue on Mar 7, 2021 15:41:10 GMT
I had no idea of these statistics. It is incredibly sad to lose these wonderful, compassionate professionals to suicide.
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Post by kelly8875 on Mar 7, 2021 15:51:57 GMT
My SIL is a vet, so she’s posted that too. I think a big issue is that there aren’t enough Vets to do the work the public demands. But, the problem is that the Universities don’t accept that many people into the programs. And they’re expected to know about just about every part/system of every animal species. It’s rare to make them have a specialty, and when they do, the training is rediculous for years. SIL is board certified in Animal Dentistry, and it took her 4 years to add that after just becoming a regular Vet. Which, I get it similar to human dentistry, but the type of things she had to do to get that was extreme. lol, she has put braces on a cat before. Seriously, why?! But, she’s also done a root canal on a tiger, and that’s cool.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Mar 7, 2021 15:57:27 GMT
While I hadn't heard of the initials, I had heard of this issue. I remember talking one day with the tech at one of our appointments about how hard the job is emotionally. We had had a recent trip to the ER vet, and our tech at the regular vet also worked at an ER vet. We talked about how draining the regular vet job is, but at least there are those new kitten, perfectly healthy check up appointments in that setting. At the ER vet, literally every single appointment is someone hurt, sick, dying. I could never do this job, and so I never begrudge the cost.
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Post by maryannscraps on Mar 7, 2021 16:00:40 GMT
The specialty surgeon in my vet’s practice committed suicide a few years ago. It was devastating to everyone there. Such a sad sad story. He was a really great guy who suffered from depression.
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Post by DEX on Mar 7, 2021 16:01:23 GMT
I read a review of my vet on line. This person was complaining about when they brought in their dog, who was very sick, the vet wanted to charge them $$$ and they couldn't afford it. She made it sound like he was a heartless bastard.
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Post by freecharlie on Mar 7, 2021 16:05:21 GMT
I had no idea, but after reading some reasons why, I totally get it. In late elementary/middle school I wanted to be a vet, but I couldn't even help dissect a frog. I knew there was no getting through vet school that way.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Mar 7, 2021 16:14:08 GMT
Dentists have a high rate as well. That kind of surprises me a little. The dentist I’ve been going to for probably 25 years is the most cheerful, happy go lucky guy I’ve ever known, and the younger dentist he brought into the practice a few years ago is equally always genuinely cheerful and outgoing. Maybe we’ve just been lucky! I can understand why being a vet or anyone working in that field could be quite stressful and sad, especially for those working in emergency.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 16:41:17 GMT
I’m surprised that it’s one of the highest, but the emotional toll of having to put pets to sleep must be extremely high. It did make me wonder why other similarly difficult professions like hospice workers, cancer doctors, etc. don’t have the same numbers and read that it might be due to the ease of access vets have to phenobarbital. If that is true, I hope they do look into restrictions to prevent further suicides. www.avma.org/javma-news/2020-01-15/access-lethal-means-looked-lower-veterinary-suicide-rate
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Post by Zee on Mar 7, 2021 16:45:05 GMT
While I hadn't heard of the initials, I had heard of this issue. I remember talking one day with the tech at one of our appointments about how hard the job is emotionally. We had had a recent trip to the ER vet, and our tech at the regular vet also worked at an ER vet. We talked about how draining the regular vet job is, but at least there are those new kitten, perfectly healthy check up appointments in that setting. At the ER vet, literally every single appointment is someone hurt, sick, dying. I could never do this job, and so I never begrudge the cost. Something about a scared sick cat just tears me apart. I'm not sure I could do that job. Dogs and people I can treat objectively but the kitties, I think I'd cry every day. I know I'm weird that way, no one needs to tell me that 😌
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Post by Really Red on Mar 7, 2021 16:49:34 GMT
I am surprised to hear this. I wonder why? I know the people I know who are vets are SO caring and compassionate, but that the reason they are vets is because they prefer animals to humans. I wonder if there is a proclivity in this profession for depression prior to becoming a vet? Animals are incredible companions. Here is how my niece, who is a vet, explains it. Imagine going in and doing a well puppy check- everyone is happy. Your next patient is a dog filled w/cancer and you have to put him to sleep- with the grieving family there- it’s heart wrenching. Then you have to put your happy face on and go to the next patient. Your emotions and all over the place- everyday. It takes a toll. My niece regularly meets w/a vet mentor to process the emotions. That is a great (and sad) explanation.
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Post by chaosisapony on Mar 7, 2021 16:57:56 GMT
I did not know what those initials meant but I am aware of the terrible suicide rates among vets. A friend of mine is a vet and it seems like at least annually she is sharing the news of one of her vetmed college class mates dying by suicide.
In my friend's circumstance, she describes her career as starting with $200,000 in student loans to only last a year in a private practice before she became so overwhelmed by people's unrealistic expectation to cure their animals while never wanting to follow any of her treatment advice because it was too expensive and/or inconvenient. Then she would be asked to euthanize a good animal with a treatable condition. Or euthanize it because the owner was moving, it snapped at their baby, whatever the case may be. She just couldn't do it and went to work for a non-profit organization doing spay/neuter clinics. She still has to put a lot of animals to sleep but for the most part the animals she now has to euthanize are because it is truly in their best interest.
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Post by Skellinton on Mar 7, 2021 18:13:36 GMT
I’m surprised that it’s one of the highest, but the emotional toll of having to put pets to sleep must be extremely high. It did make me wonder why other similarly difficult professions like hospice workers, cancer doctors, etc. don’t have the same numbers and read that it might be due to the ease of access vets have to phenobarbital. If that is true, I hope they do look into restrictions to prevent further suicides. www.avma.org/javma-news/2020-01-15/access-lethal-means-looked-lower-veterinary-suicide-rate I have a family member who ran a hospice and their staff received emotional support and a kind of counseling as a regular practice. Also, not all her hospice nurses stayed long term. When you are a nurse there is a fair amount of flexibility in where you can work, my family member started in home health before moving to hospice. I have another nurse in my family who did hospice for awhile and moved over to another job when it was too much. Vets don’t really have that luxury. After the intense and specialized training they have, what else can they do?
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Post by malibou on Mar 7, 2021 18:19:16 GMT
I had no idea, but it makes frightening sense. We don't have any pets currently, but I think I will send a note to my vet.
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Post by dillydally on Mar 7, 2021 18:33:11 GMT
I just this week heard that this was an issue, when an acquaintance posted about losing 2 vet friends in the past 2 weeks to suicide. I had not seen the initials, so thanks for sharing that. It's really sad.
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