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Post by Margie on Jun 2, 2021 3:50:55 GMT
Meanwhile, back in Tulsa in 1921... Whitewashed from Day 1.
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Post by dewryce on Jun 2, 2021 5:47:14 GMT
margie Seeing that makes me sick. Can you imagine experiencing something so unimaginably horrible and waking up to that headline? Absolutely disgusting.
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Post by fwscrapper on Jun 2, 2021 9:21:24 GMT
I grew up in a small town less than 50 miles outside of Tulsa. I graduated from HS in the mid 90’s. As freshmen we took Oklahoma history. It was the first time I had ever heard of it. The textbook had one small paragraph on it and that was it. We didn’t even discuss it much.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 9:44:35 GMT
I grew up in northern WI and I am certain that it was never taught in the years that I was in school (70s-early 80s). The first time that I can remember learning of the Tulsa Race Massacre was last year at this time. I was horror struck by the revelation, but even more so this year learning that it wasn't just Tulsa, but so many more "race riots" over many years, in many locations across the country. Absolutely disgusting that they are still referred to as "riots," rather than the massacres they were. Equally appalling that none of these events are incorporated into the teaching of history. I once read that "history is written by the victors." And those victors are most often white Anglo-Saxon men. It is beyond time for our history to be properly told, with reverence towards those who have been wronged. Not sure that you are familiar with who Anglo-Saxons are or what they have to do with the Tulsa Massacre. Yes, the perpetrators were white but I wouldn't class any of them as Anglo-Saxon - The Anglo-Saxons were a cultural group who inhabited England in the Early Middle Ages. They traced their origins to the 5th century settlement of incomers to Britain, who migrated to the island from the North Sea coastlands of mainland Europe.
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Post by peasapie on Jun 2, 2021 9:58:06 GMT
Meanwhile every year kids are taught the same prepackaged stuff during Black history month. Second graders know about Rosa Parks and George Washington Carver, and most schools just keep reteaching famous Black Americans, rather than having in-depth discussions about topics like this that could make them uncomfortable. Unfortunately the BHM curriculum in most places doesn’t spiral enough as kids get older to cover the truly difficult topics.
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Post by peasapie on Jun 2, 2021 10:01:09 GMT
I grew up in northern WI and I am certain that it was never taught in the years that I was in school (70s-early 80s). The first time that I can remember learning of the Tulsa Race Massacre was last year at this time. I was horror struck by the revelation, but even more so this year learning that it wasn't just Tulsa, but so many more "race riots" over many years, in many locations across the country. Absolutely disgusting that they are still referred to as "riots," rather than the massacres they were. Equally appalling that none of these events are incorporated into the teaching of history. I once read that "history is written by the victors." And those victors are most often white Anglo-Saxon men. It is beyond time for our history to be properly told, with reverence towards those who have been wronged. Not sure that you are familiar with who Anglo-Saxons are or what they have to do with the Tulsa Massacre. Yes, the perpetrators were white but I wouldn't class any of them as Anglo-Saxon - The Anglo-Saxons were a cultural group who inhabited England in the Early Middle Ages. They traced their origins to the 5th century settlement of incomers to Britain, who migrated to the island from the North Sea coastlands of mainland Europe. White Anglo-Saxon Protestant or WASP is a term used in the United States for upper-class white American Protestants, usually of British descent.
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Post by blue tulip on Jun 2, 2021 11:58:00 GMT
Today the podcast “The Daily” had a very educational and somber episode about it. Like you, I do not remember learning about this in school. After listening to the podcast episode, I am positive that it wasn’t taught. thanks for recommending this, i'm listening to it now. my first ever podcast.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jun 2, 2021 12:11:40 GMT
I think it's mentioned in "Killers of the Flower Moon" because I recall, when I was reading it, thinking "wait, THAT happened?!?!!" Either it was in the book or I did more research into Tulsa on my own while reading it and found out about it. But I only read the book 2 or 3 years ago, so I definitely didn't learn it in school. I'm pretty sure that's when I first heard about it. Then after I saw the show Watchmen, I looked into it more. I went to school in in the 70s and it was never covered in any of my classes. I certainly would remember hearing about something so horrifying.
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Post by MichyM on Jun 2, 2021 16:22:21 GMT
Nope. Not schooled about Tulsa, or massacres of native Indians, or internment of citizens due to race. No Vietnam either but then again we were busy living it. Yes, agree on all accounts. I need to look into Vietnam. I was a child during the war. Later on when I was about 17 (1979-ish), I dated a (10-12 years older than me) Vietnam Veteran, and then another Vietnam Veteran about 8 years later. I wish I has asked them more about it. I never learned anything about the Korean War either, even though my dad was in the army at that time. Adding them to the long list of info for me to learn about....
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Post by MichyM on Jun 2, 2021 16:23:14 GMT
Meanwhile, back in Tulsa in 1921... Whitewashed from Day 1. I saw that yesterday as well. Sickening.
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Post by MichyM on Jun 2, 2021 16:25:30 GMT
Today the podcast “The Daily” had a very educational and somber episode about it. Like you, I do not remember learning about this in school. After listening to the podcast episode, I am positive that it wasn’t taught. thanks for recommending this, i'm listening to it now. my first ever podcast. Try the 3 parter from ABC podcasts that epeanymous recommended upthread if you want to delve deeper. I listened to the first part last night. The slant is less forgiving than The Daily's episode.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Jun 2, 2021 16:44:53 GMT
I've known about this horrific massacre since I was a child. My great grandfather owned a business downtown, not on Greenwood Ave, but a few blocks over. He was there working late the night the massacre began, and always told my Gramma, and then her me, how awful it was and that the few white people that tried to help the people in Greenwood were harmed or their business was harmed. He hid a woman and her two small boys in the back of his shop till they could get away safely. Someone saw him and the next day all the windows were smashed and most of the inside of the shop was vandalized. He always said he would do it again and again. There are some great IG accounts to follow that will have current info in the fight for reparations and anything else going on in regards to Greenwood Ave. @justiceforgreenwood @bwstimes @greenwoodculturalcenter Also some great books that tell the story of that night: Black Wall Street & Black Wall Street 100 by Hannibal B. Johnson The Burning by Tim Madigan The Nation Must Awake by Mary E Jones (This is a survivors firsthand account) Death in a Promised Land by Scott Ellsworth Tulsa 1921 by Randy Krehbiel
ETA: A Kids Book about the Tulsa Race Massacre by Carlos Moreno
I hope the promises Biden made at his conference yesterday come to fruition. I was glued to the tv all afternoon and you could feel the electricity during his speech. He ACKNOWLEDGED them and their truth and I think that was a huge first step. The people of Greenwood, the survivors and descendants needed to know someone believed what happened, acknowledged it out loud to the world and would help make things right.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 2, 2021 16:59:03 GMT
I grew up in CA and did not learn about it in school - I can't really say that my education was very whitewashed though. We did learn about red lining and the civil rights movement - and Vietnam for that matter as it's been brought up. My 9th grade history teacher was a Vietnam vet, so we covered everything from Agent Orange to the protests at home in quite a bit of detail. My 10th grade history teacher was an African American woman who grew up in Alabama - and lived the civil rights movement - so it was covered in quite a bit of detail, although very southern focused, which is probably why Tulsa wasn't mentioned. I'll never forget her discussion of the dogs - even as an adult she was terrified of dogs after living through having them turned on protestors. We learned about the Japanese internment as well - also in quite a lot of detail. I went to a school that was extremely diverse - probably 75% people of color - so perhaps that also had skewed my experience from others here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 17:06:54 GMT
My great grandfather owned a business downtown, not on Greenwood Ave, but a few blocks over. He was there working late the night the massacre began, and always told my Gramma, and then her me, how awful it was and that the few white people that tried to help the people in Greenwood were harmed or their business was harmed. He hid a woman and her two small boys in the back of his shop till they could get away safely. Someone saw him and the next day all the windows were smashed and most of the inside of the shop was vandalized. He always said he would do it again and again. Thank you for sharing. So moving and important to hear the stories. I long for the day when my country protects, celebrates and respects the lives and histories of ALL her citizens, not just the well-off or well-connected white ones who we've revered in a vacuum for decades.
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Post by hopechest on Jun 2, 2021 18:09:18 GMT
Several years ago I had a WOC client tell me about it. She and her family were from Tulsa. I was then and I am now shocked an appalled that I was never taught about this in school. In fact, I e-mailed her yesterday and let her know that I think of that conversation often and how it has shaped my thinking about my own (inadvertent) racism and biases that I have. It's made me take a hard look at things that I did or said that although didn't come with the intent of being "racist" certainly smacked of my white privilege.
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Post by mom2jnk on Jun 2, 2021 20:56:10 GMT
Not sure that you are familiar with who Anglo-Saxons are or what they have to do with the Tulsa Massacre. Yes, the perpetrators were white but I wouldn't class any of them as Anglo-Saxon - The Anglo-Saxons were a cultural group who inhabited England in the Early Middle Ages. They traced their origins to the 5th century settlement of incomers to Britain, who migrated to the island from the North Sea coastlands of mainland Europe. White Anglo-Saxon Protestant or WASP is a term used in the United States for upper-class white American Protestants, usually of British descent. thank you peasapie. My reference was not tying Anglo-Saxons to the Tulsa Race Massacre, but rather to the quote I referenced in the sentence before about history being written by the victors...the victors being usually upper-class white American Protestant men who told their version of history.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Jun 2, 2021 23:03:38 GMT
I just learned yesterday that by calling it a “riot”, the insurance companies justified making NO payouts for the destruction and loss.
Add that to the fact that NOT ONE person was even accused much less convicted for the murders, it just so infuriating to me.
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Post by gorgeouskid on Jun 2, 2021 23:10:55 GMT
I was a history major at a major university. I did not hear of Tulsa or the internment of Japanese-American citizens until well after I graduated (25+ years ago, for Tulsa, 15+ for Japanese-American internment).
I was a US history focused history major. /shame
(ETA, I graduated university in 1991 and didn't learn of the Tulsa massacre or the Japanese internment until social media exposed me to them. My grandmother gave birth to my father on December 7, 1941 and was asked when in her California hospital if she objected to sharing a room with a Japanese-American mother. She quipped, "I hardly think she was involved with the bombing of Pearl Harbor." The Japanese-American family lost everything.)
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