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Post by librarylady on Jun 13, 2021 21:21:25 GMT
This story is local here, so TV stations have carried interviews. The son says, "It is not about money, it is about being acknowledged."
I admit it is hurtful to the son to be omitted from the will, but I'm not sure the "not about money" part is true.
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Post by magellen on Jun 13, 2021 21:35:06 GMT
Depending on how the Will is written, he may not be able to contest it.
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Post by MrsDepp on Jun 13, 2021 21:56:20 GMT
Aw man! I can’t read it because I’m not a subscriber.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 13, 2021 22:10:30 GMT
Put his name google search and a bunch of articles appear.
So sad families go that way.
What I most remember about Charlie is he was kind, soft spoken, very nice man. He made us laugh when he called soda, sodee(sodie).. not sure how to spell it.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 13, 2021 22:49:06 GMT
Depending on how the Will is written, he may not be able to contest it. This is the perfect, textbook case of someone who has a good chance at contesting a will. A person can write a will so that if someone who gets something in the will contests it and loses that person gets nothing, but there’s nothing you can put in a will to prevent someone from filing a lawsuit. |
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Post by busy on Jun 13, 2021 23:33:19 GMT
What a sad story.
ETA: It makes me think about when I was a teenager and my paternal grandfather passed away. He was not biologically my grandfather; my dad’s dad died when my dad was about 12 and my grandmother married the man I knew as my grandfather when my dad was about 15. But to me, he was my grandfather and I thought I was an equal in his eyes to his biological grandchildren. It wasn’t until he died and my brother and I were left out of his will and everything went to his biological grandchildren that we learned he thought of us differently.
Obviously, this son was never treated equally but what a slap in the face at the end of his father’s life.
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Post by magellen on Jun 14, 2021 1:19:12 GMT
Depending on how the Will is written, he may not be able to contest it. This is the perfect, textbook case of someone who has a good chance at contesting a will. A person can write a will so that if someone who gets something in the will contests it and loses that person gets nothing, but there’s nothing you can put in a will to prevent someone from filing a lawsuit. A will can be contested but the case would probably be dropped if A will written something like this : These are my children from legal spouse, and they are my legal heirs. |
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Post by myshelly on Jun 14, 2021 1:33:52 GMT
This is the perfect, textbook case of someone who has a good chance at contesting a will. A person can write a will so that if someone who gets something in the will contests it and loses that person gets nothing, but there’s nothing you can put in a will to prevent someone from filing a lawsuit. A will can be contested but the case would probably be dropped if A will written something like this : These are my children from legal spouse, and they are my legal heirs. No. That’s not true at all. If there are other heirs, writing a will like that won’t keep them from prevailing in a lawsuit. In fact, it could HELP them in a lawsuit because it would open the argument that they were unknown to the deceased person. In Texas, where this case is, best practice would have been to name the illegitimate son in the will and say he didn’t get anything or to leave him a token amount of money. Listing the children from the spouse and not listing the illegitimate child is going to hurt, not help, the estate. |
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Post by fuji on Jun 14, 2021 1:40:46 GMT
I admit it is hurtful to the son to be omitted from the will, but I'm not sure the "not about money" part is true. My dad's wife insisted he take us out of his will, and he finally did it last summer. I can assure you my feelings have nothing to do with the money. Absolutely nothing. |
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Post by jenjie on Jun 14, 2021 2:44:10 GMT
What a sad story. ETA: It makes me think about when I was a teenager and my paternal grandfather passed away. He was not biologically my grandfather; my dad’s dad died when my dad was about 12 and my grandmother married the man I knew as my grandfather when my dad was about 15. But to me, he was my grandfather and I thought I was an equal in his eyes to his biological grandchildren. It wasn’t until he died and my brother and I were left out of his will and everything went to his biological grandchildren that we learned he thought of us differently. Obviously, this son was never treated equally but what a slap in the face at the end of his father’s life. I’m so sorry. I don’t know your story obviously, but I wonder if there’s something else to it. We have what I would say is a considerable amount of money but ONLY because of choices dh made throughout his life out of a desire to provide for his family. And of course because he died. (PSA for the peas - Make sure you have a good amount of life insurance if that’s important to you!) If I were to get married again, I would have a dilemma. Because I don’t feel like it would be right for money that Fred worked and planned and died for to provide for HIS children to go to someone else’s children. I don’t know if that makes sense. There’s no one on the horizon for me at the moment. If that changes this is a conversation I would have to have. I might leave a token amount to new dh and kids, but ultimately I feel like I’m more of a steward of dh money on behalf of his kids. I don’t know if this helps. I hope it doesn’t make it worse. I talked with my stepmom. She and my dad agreed that their respective kids would be the recipients upon their death. She didn’t even receive any insurance money when he passed. She is more of a mother to me than my mother is. The fact that I won’t receive an inheritance from her won’t change that. Trust that your grandfather loved you. |
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Post by librarylady on Jun 14, 2021 3:09:25 GMT
Aw man! I can’t read it because I’m not a subscriber. Try this link.
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Post by librarylady on Jun 14, 2021 3:11:27 GMT
I admit it is hurtful to the son to be omitted from the will, but I'm not sure the "not about money" part is true. My dad's wife insisted he take us out of his will, and he finally did it last summer. I can assure you my feelings have nothing to do with the money. Absolutely nothing. I wrote that because he is asking for money. |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 14, 2021 13:11:10 GMT
I have strong feelings regarding people who care more about "reputation" than truth - so the response from the wife really rubbed me the wrong way. Charley Pride had a son with another woman who was not his wife. I'm sure it was extremely painful for his wife, but the continued focus on hiding reality and protecting his "reputation" to the detriment of the other son is just wrong. I'm sure it's no more "all about the money" for the son as it is for his wife.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 14:29:31 GMT
What a sad story. ETA: It makes me think about when I was a teenager and my paternal grandfather passed away. He was not biologically my grandfather; my dad’s dad died when my dad was about 12 and my grandmother married the man I knew as my grandfather when my dad was about 15. But to me, he was my grandfather and I thought I was an equal in his eyes to his biological grandchildren. It wasn’t until he died and my brother and I were left out of his will and everything went to his biological grandchildren that we learned he thought of us differently. Obviously, this son was never treated equally but what a slap in the face at the end of his father’s life. I'm very sorry that happened to you. To not be included at all in his will is wrong and a cruel thing to do to a child, imo. |
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 14, 2021 14:53:57 GMT
I have strong feelings regarding people who care more about "reputation" than truth - so the response from the wife really rubbed me the wrong way. Charley Pride had a son with another woman who was not his wife. I'm sure it was extremely painful for his wife, but the continued focus on hiding reality and protecting his "reputation" to the detriment of the other son is just wrong. I'm sure it's no more "all about the money" for the son as it is for his wife. Rozene isn't hiding the reality that Charley had a child from an extramarital affair. She’s not challenging Tyler’s paternity. What she’s challenging is Tyler’s claim to the estate. And maybe Rozene is telling the truth that this is solely motivated by money. One side believes it’s just about the money (and she gave three examples of that), and the other side believes he should have been part of the estate plan since he’s also Charley’s son. Obviously, it’s unknown to the public why Charley excluded Tyler from his will, and I’m only guessing it’s to keep peace with Rozene and his three other children. Or it could be he believed he’d already given Tyler his due ($50,000 and two houses). |
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Post by busy on Jun 14, 2021 15:37:16 GMT
I think we all jump to "if he's suing, of course it's about the money." But I think it's hard to say how one would react if your father publicly contested his paternity of you as a teen "to keep the peace," and continued to make and break promises "to keep the peace" through your life, but you think you've built a pretty decent relationship and then upon death, still he chose to "keep the peace" and completely exclude you from his will. And it sure sounds like he didn't tell his son to expect this. Maybe it's about the money and maybe he's hurt and angry and doesn't feel like he has any other way to be acknowledged as a son equal to the other children. Emotions can be crazy complicated.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 14, 2021 16:16:33 GMT
I have strong feelings regarding people who care more about "reputation" than truth - so the response from the wife really rubbed me the wrong way. Charley Pride had a son with another woman who was not his wife. I'm sure it was extremely painful for his wife, but the continued focus on hiding reality and protecting his "reputation" to the detriment of the other son is just wrong. I'm sure it's no more "all about the money" for the son as it is for his wife. Rozene isn't hiding the reality that Charley had a child from an extramarital affair. She’s not challenging Tyler’s paternity. What she’s challenging is Tyler’s claim to the estate. And maybe Rozene is telling the truth that this is solely motivated by money. One side believes it’s just about the money (and she gave three examples of that), and the other side believes he should have been part of the estate plan since he’s also Charley’s son. Obviously, it’s unknown to the public why Charley excluded Tyler from his will, and I’m only guessing it’s to keep peace with Rozene and his three other children. Or it could be he believed he’d already given Tyler his due ($50,000 and two houses). To me the wife's emphasis on the son trying to "tarnish his reputation" is a whole lot more than just challenging Tyler's claim to the estate. Honestly I think the wife is totally off base - my opinion is way worse now knowing that he was a deadbeat dad who had to be sued to provide for his son and failed to mention him in his estate. Having an affair is excusable - not providing for your child is not. ETA and let's not forget, she's now claiming the houses weren't a gift, but a loan and wants him to repay the estate - it's not a good look. |
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Post by lizacreates on Jun 14, 2021 16:33:42 GMT
Rozene isn't hiding the reality that Charley had a child from an extramarital affair. She’s not challenging Tyler’s paternity. What she’s challenging is Tyler’s claim to the estate. And maybe Rozene is telling the truth that this is solely motivated by money. One side believes it’s just about the money (and she gave three examples of that), and the other side believes he should have been part of the estate plan since he’s also Charley’s son. Obviously, it’s unknown to the public why Charley excluded Tyler from his will, and I’m only guessing it’s to keep peace with Rozene and his three other children. Or it could be he believed he’d already given Tyler his due ($50,000 and two houses). To me the wife's emphasis on the son trying to "tarnish his reputation" is a whole lot more than just challenging Tyler's claim to the estate. Honestly I think the wife is totally off base - my opinion is way worse now knowing that he was a deadbeat dad who had to be sued to provide for his son and failed to mention him in his estate. Having an affair is excusable - not providing for your child is not. ETA and let's not forget, she's now claiming the houses weren't a gift, but a loan and wants him to repay the estate - it's not a good look. Maybe it was a loan and maybe it wasn’t. I don’t know the truth about either side’s claims. That’s my point. None of us knows the truth. That’s why I used the words “maybe,” “unknown,” “guessing.” |
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Jun 14, 2021 16:34:36 GMT
What a sad story. ETA: It makes me think about when I was a teenager and my paternal grandfather passed away. He was not biologically my grandfather; my dad’s dad died when my dad was about 12 and my grandmother married the man I knew as my grandfather when my dad was about 15. But to me, he was my grandfather and I thought I was an equal in his eyes to his biological grandchildren. It wasn’t until he died and my brother and I were left out of his will and everything went to his biological grandchildren that we learned he thought of us differently. Obviously, this son was never treated equally but what a slap in the face at the end of his father’s life. I’m so sorry. I don’t know your story obviously, but I wonder if there’s something else to it. We have what I would say is a considerable amount of money but ONLY because of choices dh made throughout his life out of a desire to provide for his family. And of course because he died. (PSA for the peas - Make sure you have a good amount of life insurance if that’s important to you!) If I were to get married again, I would have a dilemma. Because I don’t feel like it would be right for money that Fred worked and planned and died for to provide for HIS children to go to someone else’s children. I don’t know if that makes sense. There’s no one on the horizon for me at the moment. If that changes this is a conversation I would have to have. I might leave a token amount to new dh and kids, but ultimately I feel like I’m more of a steward of dh money on behalf of his kids. I don’t know if this helps. I hope it doesn’t make it worse. I talked with my stepmom. She and my dad agreed that their respective kids would be the recipients upon their death. She didn’t even receive any insurance money when he passed. She is more of a mother to me than my mother is. The fact that I won’t receive an inheritance from her won’t change that. Trust that your grandfather loved you. It would be best to talk to an estate planner, but wanted to share what I am part of. I have a great, great uncle (maybe 3 greats, not exactly sure) he never married had no children, but was very smart financially so had a some inheritance he wanted to share. He put it in a trust that goes down blood line only. So if someone divorced the non-blood relative could not go after any of the trust fund. I get some because my mom and her dad are gone so I am the next in line. When I die my husband gets none, it all goes to my son. No money is guaranteed ever. We have gotten a few checks, but we never know when or how much. All this to say, you could set something up that the inheritance from your DH would go solely to your children, anything from you or you and a new SO would be divided how you see fit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2021 16:53:09 GMT
What a sad story. ETA: It makes me think about when I was a teenager and my paternal grandfather passed away. He was not biologically my grandfather; my dad’s dad died when my dad was about 12 and my grandmother married the man I knew as my grandfather when my dad was about 15. But to me, he was my grandfather and I thought I was an equal in his eyes to his biological grandchildren. It wasn’t until he died and my brother and I were left out of his will and everything went to his biological grandchildren that we learned he thought of us differently. Obviously, this son was never treated equally but what a slap in the face at the end of his father’s life. I’m so sorry. I don’t know your story obviously, but I wonder if there’s something else to it. We have what I would say is a considerable amount of money but ONLY because of choices dh made throughout his life out of a desire to provide for his family. And of course because he died. (PSA for the peas - Make sure you have a good amount of life insurance if that’s important to you!) If I were to get married again, I would have a dilemma. Because I don’t feel like it would be right for money that Fred worked and planned and died for to provide for HIS children to go to someone else’s children. I don’t know if that makes sense. There’s no one on the horizon for me at the moment. If that changes this is a conversation I would have to have. I might leave a token amount to new dh and kids, but ultimately I feel like I’m more of a steward of dh money on behalf of his kids. I don’t know if this helps. I hope it doesn’t make it worse. I talked with my stepmom. She and my dad agreed that their respective kids would be the recipients upon their death. She didn’t even receive any insurance money when he passed. She is more of a mother to me than my mother is. The fact that I won’t receive an inheritance from her won’t change that. Trust that your grandfather loved you. I would think a pre-nup would be a good idea for you should you ever marry again. The assets you’ve accumulated with Fred and the amount of time since his death would go solely to your children. Any assets you and new husband accumulate, would then be distributed to both sets of children equally. I escaped one marriage with my trust in tact. I’m not about to tempt fate again. I will definitely get a pre nup should I marry again |
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Post by jenjie on Jun 14, 2021 17:10:51 GMT
smalltowngirlie @gajenny thank you! Good advice both of you. I absolutely plan to speak with an estate planner very soon. I have a general will in place but want to set up a trust.
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Post by papersilly on Jun 14, 2021 17:13:22 GMT
happens all the time. it may not be about the money but some people translate receiving an inheritance as validation of their parent's affection. no money=no affection. more money=more affection over the others.
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Post by moodyblue on Jun 14, 2021 20:34:14 GMT
There is a quote in that article that says the son is contesting the will “to find out what I’m entitled to."
Using the word "entitled" is what makes me think twice. If you get an inheritance from an older family member it’s like a gift. If my mother had needed to use every penny of the assets she had, that would have been fine. What I got from her trust is a bonus, and one that I am very grateful for, but never felt entitled to get.
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Post by basketdiva on Jun 14, 2021 22:19:22 GMT
Info from another article- if true, threating someone is not the way to win a lawsuit.
In her legal response to his lawsuit, Rozene Pride says she hopes Tyler will "find peace in his life," but also claims that he sent her a draft of his lawsuit and threatened to file it if she did not meet his demands.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 14, 2021 22:43:41 GMT
She’s not challenging Tyler’s paternity. Not now because it was challenged previously and took a lawsuit to get his paternity recognized. My sympathy goes to Tyler. Even if it is about the money, it is also about being recognized and acknowledged for who you are. |
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Post by sabrinae on Jun 14, 2021 22:45:00 GMT
Info from another article- if true, threating someone is not the way to win a lawsuit. In her legal response to his lawsuit, Rozene Pride says she hopes Tyler will "find peace in his life," but also claims that he sent her a draft of his lawsuit and threatened to file it if she did not meet his demands.
That’s not uncommon to try to settle civil litigation in such a manner prior to filing and opening everything up to the public. |
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 14, 2021 22:50:33 GMT
In her legal response to his lawsuit, Rozene Pride says she hopes Tyler will "find peace in his life," but also claims that he sent her a draft of his lawsuit and threatened to file it if she did not meet his demands. We have received preemptive letters like this and I don't see it as threatening. It is an opening round to negotiate without involving the courts. Sometimes you ignore it and you never hear from them again, sometimes you ignore it and hear from their lawyer, sometimes you decide to respond and negotiate to avoid a lawsuit. |
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