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Post by nana2callie on Jun 23, 2021 14:51:17 GMT
I am beginning to research and have ordered the book by Gin Stephens, Fast Feast Report but looking to the Peas for any other need to know or tips related to IF. Thank you,
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Post by Katie on Jun 23, 2021 15:11:40 GMT
Dr. Jason Fung is another one who has a couple GREAT books about fasting, and there is a FB group too. But, he goes into fasting for days, not just daily IF.
When I was doing my strict keto a couple of years ago, several people I came across were doing a system where they let themselves eat for eight hours in a day, and that is your only eating window. Anything outside of that you fast. A typical one is eating between 9am-4pm. Ideally you want to fast a minimum of 10 hours.
I have found that I am much hungrier in the mornings. So I did much better when I stop eating at 3 or 4pm, since I go to bed by 9am and am up at 5am.
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Post by miyooper2b on Jun 23, 2021 15:11:56 GMT
Fasting is like building muscle. You wouldn't (I hope) jump into weightlifting by doing 45 minutes with 25 lbs weights. I started by delaying breakfast and hour or two at a time. Then I worked on not breaking my fast until lunch time. I haven't read Gin's book but I listen to her podcast. IIRC she likes bullet proof coffee. I am not a fan of it myself but if it helps you get started then use it. I have also found that I have to eat low carb in order to fast longer. If I eat too many carbs before fasting I get hungry very quickly and struggle. Eating low carb/keto helps to keep me satiated and I can fast longer. Good luck!
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Post by christinec68 on Jun 23, 2021 15:12:54 GMT
I read her first book, delay don't deny a couple of years ago. The key to Gin Stephens method is clean fasting - nothing with calories, flavors or sweeteners except coffee and tea (no milk, cream, sugar, sweetener). Brush your teeth and take prescribed medications but that's about it.
I don't always IF but when I do, I fast anywhere from 16-20 hours per day. It took a while to get to 20 but I found drinking lots of water & unflavored seltzer really helped and after a while I found I didn't get hungry until later in the day.
Be sure to pick an eating window that works with your lifestyle. I am not much of of a breakfast person and like to have dinner with my husband so eating later in the day worked for me.
My biggest hurdle was skipping a diet soda in the morning and discovered I enjoy cold brew coffee for days I wanted some caffeine. I usually combine it with low carbing and I have to say when I am diligent, I can see the results fairly quickly but low carbing is absolutely not necessary.
She has facebook groups associated with books that provides lots of information.
Good luck!!
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Post by snugglebutter on Jun 23, 2021 15:29:55 GMT
I like that book a lot and think it's a great choice for starting out. I do something very similar to her variable approach and change my fasting length around from day to day.
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Post by kristi521 on Jun 23, 2021 18:23:26 GMT
Fasting is like building muscle. You wouldn't (I hope) jump into weightlifting by doing 45 minutes with 25 lbs weights. I started by delaying breakfast and hour or two at a time. Then I worked on not breaking my fast until lunch time. I haven't read Gin's book but I listen to her podcast. IIRC she likes bullet proof coffee. I am not a fan of it myself but if it helps you get started then use it. I have also found that I have to eat low carb in order to fast longer. If I eat too many carbs before fasting I get hungry very quickly and struggle. Eating low carb/keto helps to keep me satiated and I can fast longer. Good luck! Bulletproof coffee is with butter, or some fat substance, right? If so, I know Gin wouldn't recommend bulletproof during your fast. She advocates for a clean fast (i.e., no bone broth, only black coffee, water, or completely unflavored tea during your fast). I started out with 16:8 (16 hours fasting, 8 hour eating window) and eventually made my way to alternate day fasting (ADF) where I am now. The key is finding what works for you and ADF is what works for me now. It is truly the thing for me that actually feels like a lifestyle, i.e., sustainable for the rest of my life. I am glad you bought Fast, Feast, Repeat. I feel like it is an amazing book with so much great information in it. Good luck and please continue to ask questions along the way!!
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Post by Really Red on Jun 23, 2021 19:54:23 GMT
Patter does this well, I believe. I do 18:6 (From noon to 6pm) and like others, it took a build-up period for me. I am often hungry at 10am and it is a bear to wait until noon, but by the time noon rolls by, I'm not so hungry. I like to eat around 2pm and then I *might* have a tiny snack around 5:30. Your body really gets used to it.
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Post by oh yvonne on Jun 23, 2021 19:59:29 GMT
Mondays I OMAD
The rest of the week I generally 16:8, I break fast at 11:00 am. I found an app that helped me a lot when I first started to help me track the hours, its called Life and its free.
Definitely helps to ease into fasting. I first recommend cleaning up your diet for a week or two to get rid of the extra sugars (not Keto level, but try as much as you can). Once you aren't having the cravings for sugar, the next step is ease into a 16:8 protocol.
There are a lot of YouTubers, I especially like Fledge Fitness. His videos are short and to the point.
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Post by Country Ham on Jun 23, 2021 20:10:20 GMT
Because I eat strict clean KETO I moved into a natural 18:6 fast and sometimes 20:4
I have never been a morning eater and I have teenagers now who work all kinds of odd hours and same with my husband. I usually break my fast around 2 or 3pm and eat a good meal then. I only drink water and black coffee during the day. I am also able to work out in the mornings. I never go to bed hungry and usually between 7 and 8pm I have a two good yogurt with some sunflower seeds and blueberries.
When the safer at home restrictions started I started to change my eating, and in the last 16 months I have gone from a size 20W to a size 16 in bottoms and from a 2x to a 14-16 in tops.
My primary focus with keto is protein. My fats are not excessive and generally I don't do a lot of added fats. Bit of avocado oil to cook, some days (like a good steak) I go with butter. I eat mostly whole foods and my sides are dark green vegetables. No grains.. nope..
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 23, 2021 20:13:24 GMT
I read Dr. Jason Fung's The Obesity Code a few years ago when it was discussed here and it was a relatively easy adjustment for DH to go IF. Neither of us were big morning eaters anyway. DH has done some longer fasts but I eat every day. I read Gin Stephens Fast Feast Repeat last year and think it is a great way to get started. My typical eating window is 1-7 pm.
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Post by nana2callie on Jun 23, 2021 20:40:41 GMT
Thank you for all the replies here and I know one of the issues that is going to be hard is Diet Coke.
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Post by gar on Jun 23, 2021 20:48:31 GMT
I also found drinking plenty of water helps stave off the hunger pangs.
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Post by peaname on Jun 23, 2021 20:49:35 GMT
If your stomach growls loudly clench your abdominal muscles.
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Post by spottiedottie on Jun 23, 2021 20:54:40 GMT
For everyone who has posted in this thread - have you lost weight doing IF? When I first learned of it on this board, I was so excited. I read all of the books and jumped right in. I tried everything - 16:8, 20:4, OMAD, Alternate Day, etc. I never lost any weight. None! I would do a week doing strict OMAD, no cheating and weigh myself at the end of the week and sometimes I would've GAINED weight.
I don't know if I was doing something wrong or it just doesn't work for some people or what. If anyone is having success I would love to hear about it.
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Post by Country Ham on Jun 23, 2021 21:04:17 GMT
For everyone who has posted in this thread - have you lost weight doing IF? When I first learned of it on this board, I was so excited. I read all of the books and jumped right in. I tried everything - 16:8, 20:4, OMAD, Alternate Day, etc. I never lost any weight. None! I would do a week doing strict OMAD, no cheating and weigh myself at the end of the week and sometimes I would've GAINED weight. I don't know if I was doing something wrong or it just doesn't work for some people or what. If anyone is having success I would love to hear about it. I just posted above my clothing size drops but I do strenghtening at the gym 4 days a week, eat strict clean KETO as well as IF. The fasting came naturally because I only eat when hungry. If 2pm rolls around I am not truly hunger I don't eat. I wish I was good at posting pictures in here but I am not. A meal could be a NY strip with mushrooms and asparagus, or chicken salad on romain with radishes, cucumber, grape tomatoes, eggs, sunflower seeds, etc. I love one skillet meals.
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Post by Ryann on Jun 23, 2021 21:04:39 GMT
For everyone who has posted in this thread - have you lost weight doing IF? When I first learned of it on this board, I was so excited. I read all of the books and jumped right in. I tried everything - 16:8, 20:4, OMAD, Alternate Day, etc. I never lost any weight. None! I would do a week doing strict OMAD, no cheating and weigh myself at the end of the week and sometimes I would've GAINED weight. I don't know if I was doing something wrong or it just doesn't work for some people or what. If anyone is having success I would love to hear about it. I’ve been doing IF for years not knowing it was a legit thing. It was just me not being a breakfast person and eating late lunches due to my work schedule. I have consistently lost 10-15lbs. a year doing nothing but IF for the last several years. I’m currently 70lbs. down from my highest weight. Last year I wasn’t working and being home 24/7 has messed with my IF schedule and I gained 10lbs! I’m 42 so I assume at some point losing weight will become harder to do. I’ve recommitted myself to IF this year and have already lost the 10lbs. I gained last year. I’ve started transitioning to a WFPB diet that I’ll do in conjunction with IF, in a real effort to lose weight and just be healthier overall.
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Post by Patter on Jun 23, 2021 22:05:53 GMT
Glad you ordered Gin's book. I have a 6 hour eating window each day from Noon-6 p.m. If I am hungry in the morning, I do have my cinnamon tea (no sugar or anything) just the tea but according to Gin, that would be breaking a fast because of the flavor. It does not effect me in a bad way so I am good with it. Some people may not be. Gin would not consider that a clean fast but my daughter does (4th year med student). I have been doing this since 6/30/2021. I have lost 37 pounds SO easily. Slowly but easily which is how it should be. It is truly an easy, easy lifestyle for me. Never any guilt when I break a fast to go on a trip or eat early with a friend, etc. I would like to lose 10 more pounds but I don't need to. My doc has been very pleased. She said some are unsuccessful because they cram the same amount of calories they usually eat in their window. I do eat less because I am satisfied. Gin's key point I loved was "Eat until satisfied not full." LOVE that! Gin has a "fast start" section in the book. That's how I started. It's a month long process. I hope you enjoy it. It has changed my life so much more for the better!
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Post by worldwanderer75 on Jun 23, 2021 22:11:10 GMT
I think you have to be willing to play around with what works well for you and your lifestyle with IF. I've tried a few things and it works best for me to have a small eating window so I try to fast for 18 hours. I typically eat from 12:30-6:30 so that I can have lunch and dinner with my family. I have 3 teenaged daughters so I work hard to model "normal" eating for them. None of them even know that I IF. Mornings are hectic so no one pays attention to whether I eat or not. Ideally, I'd love for my window to be 11-4:30 but can't manage family dinner together that early which is really important to me. IF works really well for me if I'm consistent.
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Post by snugglebutter on Jun 24, 2021 1:25:11 GMT
I think you have to be willing to play around with what works well for you and your lifestyle with IF. I've tried a few things and it works best for me to have a small eating window so I try to fast for 18 hours. I typically eat from 12:30-6:30 so that I can have lunch and dinner with my family. I have 3 teenaged daughters so I work hard to model "normal" eating for them. None of them even know that I IF. Mornings are hectic so no one pays attention to whether I eat or not. Ideally, I'd love for my window to be 11-4:30 but can't manage family dinner together that early which is really important to me. IF works really well for me if I'm consistent.
I really want to commend you for this. It is a critically important goal for me as well. Growing up around "diet culture" was not healthy for me at all.
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Post by peano on Jun 24, 2021 1:35:37 GMT
I'm a dirty faster, which means I have heavy cream in my one cup of coffee in the morning, and if I'm cold, or struggling, I might have a tea or decaf coffee in the afternoon with heavy cream. Otherwise, nothing except water or seltzer or unsweetened iced tea.
I sometimes have flavored seltzer which is a Gin no-no, but I'm also good with plain. I haven't been seriously applying myself to this lifestyle for various reasons in 2021, but I've taken off 25 pounds of pandemic weight, just with fasting.
A typical day is to have coffee and seltzer when I wake up, a small meal around 2pm (or after I've walked) and then a regular dinner around 6-7 pm. Currently, I've been fasting since 8pm last night and plan to fast until 2pm-ish on Friday.
Tips that have helped me: (and nobody on these plans will agree with me) but if I've been going through a heavy sugar phase, I find a day or two of eating a moderate amount of fruit--(fructose yes, but some fiber) keto-friendlier fruit like blueberries or strawberries helps me weather the ragey-ness that comes from going cold turkey off sugar.
The second day I might start feeling a little fatigued so I've learned that I need to consume a little salt. I have a shaker of pink Himalayan that I open up and take a few grains on my tongue. Keeping well-hydrated and BUSY is good when hunger is distracting.
Also, there's lots of talk about fat-bombs especially in the keto community. If you have pounds to lose, you really don't want to put them in your body--you want your body to consume the fat stores in your body.
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Post by moodyblue on Jun 24, 2021 2:22:25 GMT
I have been essentially doing intermittent fasting for most of the last 15 months. I needed to get some weight off in order to have knee replacement surgery, and this way of eating fits with my natural patterns for eating when I am not working. I realized it’s the way I would eat on weekends or during school breaks, and when we went remote during the start of the pandemic it became easier for me to do it all week and not just on weekends. Retiring in May of 2020 made it easier since I am in control of my schedule and it’s easier to set my eating window to what works for me.
I do have to watch what I eat in order to lose weight, and I do best when I’m active and busy, cut back on carbs and eat more protein and fiber. I may feel hungry at times, but if I have water and get distracted by something, the hunger goes away, and I often find myself waiting longer to eat than I planned.
I am not one to follow anyone else's rules, so I don’t care about some author telling me what’s allowed or not, or how to do it the right way. I think each individual needs to figure out what works for him/herself.
I did read an article (can’t remember where so can’t link it) a few days ago where intermittent fasting was described as another form of disordered eating, and not a mentally healthy way to approach weight loss/eating. And there have been studies that show that it isn’t necessarily an effective way to achieve long-term weight loss. But again, I believe that people need to figure out what works for them, and nothing is the perfect answer for everyone.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 24, 2021 2:47:32 GMT
I don't know if I was doing something wrong or it just doesn't work for some people or what. If anyone is having success I would love to hear about it. I have come to terms with the fact that I need very little food to keep my body going. IF is more than when you eat. Separate from IF window, I try to limit carbs and processed food and eat clean as much as possible. I know gluten, dairy and alcohol are triggers for my skin issues and inflammation so try to limit them. I'm not perfect and am more likely to go on a cheese binge than cakes or cookies. I hate counting anything (carbs, net carbs, points, calories, etc.) so just work to eat a ton of vegetables, some fruit and a little lean protein.
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Post by nana2callie on Jun 24, 2021 19:48:14 GMT
Would like to hear how this has affected your energy level or anything else positive or negative, not just weight loss. Thanks,
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Post by peano on Jun 24, 2021 19:58:51 GMT
I'm right at 68 hours fasted; I plan to go until tomorrow afternoon. I'm feeling a little hungry, but not as bad as yesterday at this time. Also yesterday I felt a little more fatigued. I am trying to get my house spruced up for a party on July 3, so I have stuff to keep me busy. I might fix myself a cup of decaf with some heavy cream if I start to feel tired, and definitely some salt crystals, but right now, it's doable. I also just had my second shingles vaccine so we'll see what happens with that.
I know fasting sounds kind of daunting, but just start slow, and gradually decrease your eating window. You don't have to be a hero.
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Jun 24, 2021 20:27:40 GMT
For everyone who has posted in this thread - have you lost weight doing IF? When I first learned of it on this board, I was so excited. I read all of the books and jumped right in. I tried everything - 16:8, 20:4, OMAD, Alternate Day, etc. I never lost any weight. None! I would do a week doing strict OMAD, no cheating and weigh myself at the end of the week and sometimes I would've GAINED weight. I don't know if I was doing something wrong or it just doesn't work for some people or what. If anyone is having success I would love to hear about it. One key is the clean fast. But more than that, it takes time for your body to process into autophagy. Gin speaks to it in her book in that some people don't lose weight for weeks, sometimes months. For IF to be truly effective, you have to take weight loss off the table and approach it as a lifestyle.
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on Jun 24, 2021 20:29:04 GMT
The key to Gin Stephens method is clean fasting - nothing with calories, flavors or sweeteners except coffee and tea (no milk, cream, sugar, sweetener). Brush your teeth and take prescribed medications but that's about it. 100% this ^^^ and this is where many people either cheat, think it won't affect them if they don't follow it or they don't clean fast long enough to see the benefits.
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Post by Merge on Jun 24, 2021 22:10:11 GMT
No one sees anything questionable about a weight loss plan that asks you to literally stop eating for days at a time … and you still don’t lose weight?
Seriously, I’ve tried this, I followed it religiously, I got a migraine every time, I never lost weight. If it works for you, great, but I really resent the implication that people for whom it does not work must have “cheated.” Or they’re looked down on as slackers because embracing starvation as a lifestyle didn’t seem tenable. Typical diet industry bullshit that causes shame and mental harm to millions every year.
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Post by peaname on Jun 24, 2021 23:02:36 GMT
It’s not for everyone so if it it’s not for you don’t do it. But I think Americans are obsessed with eating frequently and that gets in the way of considering fasting as a perfectly healthy state. There’s fasting in the Bible, fasting among many groups of people today for non weight loss purposes worldwide. I don’t see it as unhealthy at all but I do see a lot of overweight Americans calling it unhealthy.
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Post by Merge on Jun 24, 2021 23:04:18 GMT
It’s not for everyone so if it it’s not for you don’t do it. But I think Americans are obsessed with eating frequently and that gets in the way of considering fasting as a perfectly healthy state. There’s fasting in the Bible, fasting among many groups of people today for non weight loss purposes worldwide. I don’t see it as unhealthy at all but I do see a lot of overweight Americans calling it unhealthy. Ok. Whatever you say. No one else’s lived experience could possibly be valid unless they meet the magical marker of success and perfection known as being thin. And please don’t quote me the Bible as a health resource. The diet industry has stolen billions from gullible people desperate to attain an arbitrary “healthy weight”/acceptable size based on zero scientific evidence whatsoever, and when someone pushes back on that, they’re just an overweight cheater with no willpower. Thanks, but no. I internalized that message for decades. Hard pass.
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Post by Merge on Jun 24, 2021 23:22:56 GMT
All of my spluttering above really culminates in one message: there’s a reason why every diet program sold to people today has the disclaimer “results not typical.” Including IF.
The diet industry wants us all to believe that people who are otherwise successful, disciplined, and generally good at life are somehow too lazy or inept to succeed at their “lifestyle change,” but the data shows that even with perfect adherence, results are … not typical. Some people lose weight and some don’t, and no one can explain why.
So before anyone goes off touting the benefits of this latest “lifestyle,” or suggesting to hopeful adherents that it can’t fail if they don’t cheat, consider the work you’re doing for a billion dollar industry that doesn’t give a shit about you. Consider the psychological harm you might be doing to people who internalize the message that they are worthless and lazy, and their experience has no value, because they don’t also happen to be thin.
Someday we’re all going to shake our heads at the ridiculous idea that it’s wrong to eat when you’re hungry. Apparently, today is not that day.
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