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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 3, 2021 2:00:37 GMT
This question stems from something that came up at work the other day.
A customer sent in an order and wrote "Deliver any time after 2nd July."
Employee #1 who raised the order put it in for delivery on 2nd July. Employee #2 told them they needed to change the date to 3rd July or later. Employee #3 said that it was all in the interpretation and 2nd July would be fine.
Employee #3 then asked for my opinion. I will tell you later what I said, once a few people have answered.
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jul 3, 2021 2:01:47 GMT
After July 2nd means July 3rd.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 3, 2021 2:04:18 GMT
After July 2nd means they don’t want it *on* July 2nd.
So that would be July 3 at the earliest.
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Post by mom on Jul 3, 2021 2:08:02 GMT
July 3 at the earliest.
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Post by peano on Jul 3, 2021 2:08:31 GMT
Choice 2. “After” is the key word.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 3, 2021 2:12:25 GMT
Agree with everybody else
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Post by littlemama on Jul 3, 2021 2:18:20 GMT
After July 2, means July 3 and forward.
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Post by FurryP on Jul 3, 2021 2:25:00 GMT
The customer gave you a nice span of time so no one has to interpret or guess anything. July 3rd or later is "after July 2nd:.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 3, 2021 2:44:38 GMT
Okay, so all of you so far agree with me that "after 2nd July" means from 3rd July onwards. When Employee #3 asked me for my thoughts, they were surprised that I agreed with Employee #2. They thought that it was all in the interpretation, and 2nd July delivery would be fine. Nope!
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Post by KiwiJo on Jul 3, 2021 5:56:30 GMT
Okay, so all of you so far agree with me that "after 2nd July" means from 3rd July onwards. When Employee #3 asked me for my thoughts, they were surprised that I agreed with Employee #2. They thought that it was all in the interpretation, and 2nd July delivery would be fine. Nope! So they think “after” can mean “at the same time”…. - ask them if they expect their ice cream on the same plate as their steak and chips if the menu said dessert would be served after the main course.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 8:20:41 GMT
On and after do not mean the same thing. If the customer said after July 2nd then the earliest it could be delivered would be the 3rd.
If the customer had requested delivery on or after then you could deliver it on the 2nd or any other day after. If they said on July 2nd then they would mean only on that day. Employee 1 and 3 needs to learn to correctly read the customers instructions.
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Post by RedSquirrelUK on Jul 3, 2021 11:42:42 GMT
If I asked for something to be delivered AFTER July 2nd, that would mean that I was not ready for it ON July 2nd.
It's not often that the Peas agree, but this one is a classic "look the word up in the dictionary". "After" is not the same as "on".
I suspect this is a mental extension of the eternal confusion of whether "BY July 2nd" includes July 2nd or not. I say not. Delivery companies seem to disagree.
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Post by monklady123 on Jul 3, 2021 14:14:33 GMT
Okay, so all of you so far agree with me that "after 2nd July" means from 3rd July onwards. When Employee #3 asked me for my thoughts, they were surprised that I agreed with Employee #2. They thought that it was all in the interpretation, and 2nd July delivery would be fine. Nope! I don't think it's "all in the interpretation" at all. lol... "after" means just that. After. The only way it should have been marked to be delivered on the 2nd is if the instructions said "any time after July 1st".
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Post by mymindseyedpea on Jul 3, 2021 15:14:50 GMT
Okay, so all of you so far agree with me that "after 2nd July" means from 3rd July onwards. When Employee #3 asked me for my thoughts, they were surprised that I agreed with Employee #2. They thought that it was all in the interpretation, and 2nd July delivery would be fine. Nope! I think it’s the “anytime” that is throwing Employee #3 off. Ask them if it sounds like a July 2nd delivery would be fine if it said: “anyDAY after July 2”
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Post by dewryce on Jul 3, 2021 15:18:56 GMT
One of the rare times peas are in 100% agreement! I have no idea how it could be interpreted any way other than July 3rd and beyond. Where is there room for interpretation?
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Post by chances on Jul 3, 2021 15:35:25 GMT
I suspect this is a mental extension of the eternal confusion of whether "BY July 2nd" includes July 2nd or not. I say not. Delivery companies seem to disagree. This is interesting. I was struggling to think of one reason why *after* could have multiple interpretations. incidentally though, BY July 2nd” does include July 2nd for me.
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Post by paget on Jul 3, 2021 15:56:20 GMT
I suspect this is a mental extension of the eternal confusion of whether "BY July 2nd" includes July 2nd or not. I say not. Delivery companies seem to disagree. This is interesting. I was struggling to think of one reason why *after* could have multiple interpretations. incidentally though, BY July 2nd” does include July 2nd for me. same. The “by” includes the date it’s on because if it was delivered 7/2, it did come “by” that date.
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Post by anniefb on Jul 3, 2021 18:28:21 GMT
Yes, 3 July onwards.
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Post by originalvanillabean on Jul 3, 2021 19:32:53 GMT
If the customer had requested delivery on or after then you could deliver it on the 2nd or any other day after. If they said on July 2nd then they would mean only on that day. This exactly!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 20:06:56 GMT
Before July 2nd = July 1st or earlier. By July 2nd = July 2nd or earlier. After July 2nd = July 3rd or after.
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Post by nlwilkins on Jul 3, 2021 20:32:43 GMT
Does it even matter what opinion the employee has? What matters is what the customer thinks. Why not call the customer and find out?
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Post by CardBoxer on Jul 3, 2021 20:47:13 GMT
Before July 2nd = July 1st or earlier. By July 2nd = July 2nd or earlier. After July 2nd = July 3rd or after. That ^! How can the definitions be up for grabs? Unless Alice in Wonderland. “When I use a word,” Humphrey Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.” Very OT This reminds me a little of the Tim Holtz Observations stamp with a grammatical error. “It’s” instead of “its” though possessive. And some say it’s correct either way, or to embrace imperfection? “Simplicity is it’s own form of artistry” becomes “simplicity is it is own form of artistry” if read out loud. Or “is it has” since it’s can also mean “it has.”
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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 3, 2021 23:44:55 GMT
One of the rare times peas are in 100% agreement! Well, 98.56% agreement..... I want the two people who voted "on or after July 2nd" to come back and defend their position hahaha!
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Post by pjaye on Jul 4, 2021 2:06:16 GMT
I agree with majority, to me it means, once the 2nd of July is over then it can be delivered (i.e on the 3rd or later)
However after thinking about it, I assume the others were interpreting it as "once the date has reached the 2nd of July - any time is fine" if you look at it like that then it would include the 2nd. I doubt that is a common way to think about it though.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 4, 2021 2:17:56 GMT
Depending on the product and the recipient I chose later. 3rd is a Saturday, 4th Sunday and holiday, 5th official holiday..
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 4, 2021 2:18:55 GMT
Depending on the product and the recipient I chose later. 3rd is a Saturday, 4th Sunday and holiday, 5th official holiday.. of course that is only this year and this weekend.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 4, 2021 2:35:29 GMT
Depending on the product and the recipient I chose later. 3rd is a Saturday, 4th Sunday and holiday, 5th official holiday.. How is that relevant? OP is Australian.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 4, 2021 2:52:18 GMT
Depending on the product and the recipient I chose later. 3rd is a Saturday, 4th Sunday and holiday, 5th official holiday.. How is that relevant? OP is Australian. Sorry, I did not know that! No reason to be snippy. I don't pick and choose who I answer.. hard to check names on my phone anyway.
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Post by myshelly on Jul 4, 2021 3:16:16 GMT
How is that relevant? OP is Australian. Sorry, I did not know that! No reason to be snippy. I don't pick and choose who I answer.. hard to check names on my phone anyway. It’s in her name, not something you would have to remember.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2021 8:30:33 GMT
Okay, so all of you so far agree with me that "after 2nd July" means from 3rd July onwards. When Employee #3 asked me for my thoughts, they were surprised that I agreed with Employee #2. They thought that it was all in the interpretation, and 2nd July delivery would be fine. Nope! You need to remind employee #1 and 3 that July 2nd covers a time span of 24 hours. Anything after July 2nd means anytime after midnight on that date which would take it to July 3rd or later.
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