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Post by Really Red on Jul 9, 2021 15:40:19 GMT
RESPONSE 4: It should be if YOU ARE ONE PERSON
I know some people have different circumstances, like having an adult child they need to take care of and I also know that some people feel that they can never retire.
But let's just say that you can retire. How much money do you think you'll need?
I am asking this because my Financial Advisor told me that I was off base. Not way off base, but enough so that I will have to work another year or two past where I thought I could work.
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Post by nlwilkins on Jul 9, 2021 16:00:39 GMT
Both of us are retired. We both have pensions and health insurance is provided by husband's company. We really live on that without any additions funds needed. In fact, we are now able to save more money cause we are not going out as much and are not spending as much as we get older.
For both of us it was a matter of working for companies that had good retirement plans that made the difference. Also, we lived in the same house long enough to pay off the mortgage, so had that nest egg once the house was sold.
So I have no idea of how much we would have needed to retire.
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Post by MichyM on Jul 9, 2021 16:06:25 GMT
I think option 4 is typed wrong.
My FA has never told me *what* I needed to retire. What he has shown me and we have discussed is how far what I have will go as I age. Especially helpful when I’m planning on moving and/or planing a remodel.
If it helps, I’ll turn 60 in a couple of weeks and have been retired for coming up on 11 years.
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Post by Katie on Jul 9, 2021 16:10:58 GMT
DH and I are both 50. If we were to retire today, I think we would need $2 million. DH has no retirement fund, and mine is small. I already know I will be working until 70+. Uggghh.
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Post by Really Red on Jul 9, 2021 16:11:45 GMT
I think option 4 is typed wrong. My FA has never told me *what* I needed to retire. What he has shown me and we have discussed is how far what I have will go as I age. Especially helpful when I’m planning on moving and/or planing a remodel. If it helps, I’ll turn 60 in a couple of weeks and have been retired for coming up on 11 years. You are right!! I can't fix it, but I'll note it.
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Post by longtimenopea on Jul 9, 2021 16:11:54 GMT
We would need somewhat under $2m if our monthly expenses stayed the same, but we expect to have our house paid off within a few more years so the actual amount we need may be less.
Our concern is planning for long term care. It’s exceedingly expensive but we may or may not need it. We don’t currently carry LTC insurance and maybe we should.
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Post by Really Red on Jul 9, 2021 16:13:56 GMT
We would need somewhat under $2m if our monthly expenses stayed the same, but we expect to have our house paid off within a few more years so the actual amount we need may be less. Our concern is planning for long term care. It’s exceedingly expensive but we may or may not need it. We don’t currently carry LTC insurance and maybe we should. As someone who worked for a LTC company for 10 years, I would strongly suggest you do NOT get LTC. The way it is today (compared to 20 years ago), it is not worth it. Figure out how much money you can set aside and put it in in high growth stocks. LTC pays out for about 2 years or possibly 4 years. What you put into it just is not worth it in the long run.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 9, 2021 16:16:32 GMT
we're just starting to think VERY seriously about this. I know we'll need more than we currently have, or are on track to accumulate, without some more aggressive changes in our saving. I'd like to retire a lot sooner than we'll probably be able to. We won't be traveling around the world, or anything like that... but I also don't want to live in a single-wide trailer in a mobile home park, either, lol. But my DH doesn't like thinking that far in the future, because 'he never thought about living that long' <--- serious quote from him. He's very cynical about his future, and about life in general. So it's difficult to strike a balance between my attitude and his. ETA: MichyM , hearing about how long you've been retired is actually very encouraging!! I wish... sigh. I'm 52, and would love to retire somewhere between 55-60, or at least go from full-time to part-time employment, but with our life changes (we moved across the country 15 years ago) I had to start over career-wise, so I don't have the 'one long-term employer, good retirement package' thing to fall back on like I would have had in other circumstances. Health insurance is the BIGGEST driver, unfortunately (then the mortgage payment). We're looking seriously at moving to a different part of the country and starting to work toward our retirement lifestyle (getting a house on some property, etc.) but it's going to be a long process.
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Post by julie5 on Jul 9, 2021 16:27:13 GMT
Neither of us knows. We spent last weekend with a retired couple who basically kicked our asses to get my retirement account set up. I work for my husband he pays the minimum and I don’t contribute to an ira. That’s going to change next month. He’s called his accountant and money guy to pay me more and contribute that extra pay to my own retirement account.
He has a retirement account plus investment properties. We could probably fully retire at 55 if we wanted but again I’m not sure how much money we need invested to do so. I know what we have invested and it “sounds” like enough but that’s not factoring my adult disabled child.
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Post by busy on Jul 9, 2021 16:40:28 GMT
We've been saving pretty aggressively for our retirement our entire marriage, and I have a decent pension from my finance career, so that's a handy bonus. We *should* be in good shape, but health care costs scare me. I doubt we'll retire until we're beyond typical retirement age because we both like working. DH's career is one people often never retire from and stay in until they die. I could totally see that from him - probably scaling back but I have a hard time imagining him quitting completely.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 9, 2021 16:51:16 GMT
Well I know we won't have as much as I want. Like another pea, we both have a pension rather than ss so when we retire determines how much our month pay will be.
I just started my own 401k. We put it all into dh's because his employer matched up to a certain percentage.
We have at least 13 years until we retire. Our goal is to have student loans and the house paid off.
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Post by MichyM on Jul 9, 2021 16:55:51 GMT
we're just starting to think VERY seriously about this. I know we'll need more than we currently have, or are on track to accumulate, without some more aggressive changes in our saving. I'd like to retire a lot sooner than we'll probably be able to. We won't be traveling around the world, or anything like that... but I also don't want to live in a single-wide trailer in a mobile home park, either. But my DH doesn't like thinking that far in the future, because 'he never thought about living that long' <--- serious quote from him. He's very cynical about his future, and about life in general. So it's difficult to strike a balance between my attitude and his. ETA: MichyM , hearing about how long you've been retired is actually very encouraging!! I wish... sigh. I'm 52, and would love to retire somewhere between 55-60, or at least go from full-time to part-time employment, but with our life changes (we moved across the country 15 years ago) I had to start over career-wise, so I don't have the 'one long-term employer, good retirement package' thing to fall back on like I would have had in other circumstances. Health insurance is the BIGGEST driver, unfortunately (then the mortgage payment). We're looking seriously at moving to a different part of the country and starting to work toward our retirement lifestyle (getting a house on some property, etc.) but it's going to be a long process. If I didn't have access to very good insurance at a very reasonable price, I absolutely wouldn't have been able to retire when I did. Particularly as a cancer survivor.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 9, 2021 17:03:37 GMT
I think option 4 is typed wrong. My FA has never told me *what* I needed to retire. What he has shown me and we have discussed is how far what I have will go as I age. Especially helpful when I’m planning on moving and/or planing a remodel. If it helps, I’ll turn 60 in a couple of weeks and have been retired for coming up on 11 years. If you don’t mind answering, since you’re not old enough for Medicare, what are you doing for health insurance? ETA: I posted before I got to the end of the thread.
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Post by MichyM on Jul 9, 2021 17:07:41 GMT
I think option 4 is typed wrong. My FA has never told me *what* I needed to retire. What he has shown me and we have discussed is how far what I have will go as I age. Especially helpful when I’m planning on moving and/or planing a remodel. If it helps, I’ll turn 60 in a couple of weeks and have been retired for coming up on 11 years. If you don’t mind answering, since you’re not old enough for Medicare, what are you doing for health insurance? Unfortunately the details are more than I'm comfortable sharing on this forum, but I am privately insured and pay for it myself.
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Post by GamGam on Jul 9, 2021 17:12:59 GMT
We have been been retired for 20 years, and are in our eighties, so the amount we needed then was less than today’s estimates. We are very, very fortunate to have excellent health insurance and continued supplement from his company. We have also been blessed with good health—no surgeries (other than cataract) until last month when DH had a cornea transplant. Our savings have remained almost steady during this period, thanks to a good financial advisor. Our lifestyle has not changed a lot, but we are not big travelers. So I guess the reason for my post is to say that your future financial needs are closely tied to your health and medical needs which no one knows, so the higher estimates are a hedge against illness, and for your peace of mind.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 9, 2021 17:49:09 GMT
If you don’t mind answering, since you’re not old enough for Medicare, what are you doing for health insurance? Unfortunately the details are more than I'm comfortable sharing on this forum, but I am privately insured and pay for it myself. I completely understand. I could retire now but it’s the insurance that I need so that’s why I’m still working.
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Post by cade387 on Jul 9, 2021 17:58:28 GMT
I am asking this because my Financial Advisor told me that I was off base. Not way off base, but enough so that I will have to work another year or two past where I thought I could work. I’m interested to know what your financial advisor told you. Our number was much higher than $2M. If I recall it was in the realm of 6 or 8 million.
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Post by christine58 on Jul 9, 2021 18:02:00 GMT
I voted other because I have a retirement pension plus a 403B, and now I am collecting Social Security.
I also pay my own insurance monthly through my former employer. I was a teacher for 36 years so my retirement is fairly decent.
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Post by ghislaine on Jul 9, 2021 18:06:26 GMT
Using the 4% rule of needing 25 times expenses for retirement, I answered between 1.5M and 2M for us as a couple. As we are in the USA health insurance needs and getting 2 kids through college is what would prevent us from an early retirement. My husband is pretty happy with his job though so it works out.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 9, 2021 18:08:26 GMT
I doubt we'll retire until we're beyond typical retirement age because we both like working. you're one of those people! One of the 'I never worked a day in my life, because I love my job' kind of people? I wish I could have had a career like that, but nope. I'm decently good at what I do, but I won't mind NOT doing it someday, for sure. My sister retired from teaching last year during the COVID pandemic, and didn't really know what to do with herself afterward; that just mystifies me. I can think of SOOOO many things I want to do that I just don't have the time / inclination for doing right now, because commuting & working interferes, darn it! lol! ETA: if that number is influenced by kids / college needs, we're in the clear there, since we don't have kids. Our dogs won't be going to college (on the other hand, they won't ever move out, and won't be able to support us in our retirement years, either... lol).
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Post by mikklynn on Jul 9, 2021 18:13:47 GMT
For those of you wondering what someone might pay in health insurance, I am 63, so I need private insurance. I pay $575 per month with an $8k deductible. DH's medicare supplement policy is $249 per month. We still have to pay $1k per month for his share of his cancer medication.
We made saving for retirement our #1 priority, because neither of us had defined pension plans. I realize a lot of people don't even have the luxury of savings towards retirement, due to low pay.
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Post by Really Red on Jul 9, 2021 18:15:13 GMT
I am asking this because my Financial Advisor told me that I was off base. Not way off base, but enough so that I will have to work another year or two past where I thought I could work. I’m interested to know what your financial advisor told you. Our number was much higher than $2M. If I recall it was in the realm of 6 or 8 million. It's just me and my Financial Advisor suggested $2M. I like to travel - a lot - so I am sure that was part of it and my home is not paid for yet and won't be for a long while, but I have a very low mortgage. $6-8M seems like an awful lot, but maybe you live in an expensive area.
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Post by busy on Jul 9, 2021 18:17:04 GMT
you're one of those people! One of the 'I never worked a day in my life, because I love my job' kind of people? My DH 100% is one of those people - he knew what he wanted to do when he was in junior high and that's what he does and he loves it. Being a sportscaster isn't as glamorous as a lot of people think it is, but I don't know many in the industry who don't truly love what they do. Had I stayed in finance, I'd be counting the days until retirement. But moving to tech, and specifically to a startup - damn, I love this stuff. It's so fun and exciting and challenging and ever-changing and the field I'm, I get to see our hard work literally change the lives of people and their families. It's soooo compelling and I love it. I'm currently contemplating looking for a new role at an earlier stage start-up in the field because I think I'm addicted to thet constant iteration.
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Post by Really Red on Jul 9, 2021 18:17:42 GMT
For those of you wondering what someone might pay in health insurance, I am 63, so I need private insurance. I pay $575 per month with an $8k deductible. DH's medicare supplement policy is $249 per month. We still have to pay $1k per month for his share of his cancer medication. We made saving for retirement our #1 priority, because neither of us had defined pension plans. I realize a lot of people don't even have the luxury of savings towards retirement, due to low pay. I get so angry when I read things like this mikklynn. It's not right that you have to pay $1K monthly for medication and nearly that for insurance. It's insane. I honestly cannot see myself staying in the US because of this.
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Post by maryannscraps on Jul 9, 2021 18:18:17 GMT
I doubt we'll retire until we're beyond typical retirement age because we both like working. you're one of those people! One of the 'I never worked a day in my life, because I love my job' kind of people? I wish I could have had a career like that, but nope. I'm decently good at what I do, but I won't mind NOT doing it someday, for sure. My sister retired from teaching last year during the COVID pandemic, and didn't really know what to do with herself afterward; that just mystifies me. I can think of SOOOO many things I want to do that I just don't have the time / inclination for doing right now, because commuting & working interferes, darn it! lol! That's totally my husband. He loves what he does so much, he can't even imagine not doing it. He's living his dream life. He'd love to shed some parts of his job and concentrate all his time on the engineering side of it. He's been working on setting that up. Same for me, but I don't want to work full time. I'm already scaling back a little bit.
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Post by katlady on Jul 9, 2021 18:21:26 GMT
We are looking to retire by 60. A few more years. Our house will be paid off and we have no loans to pay. Our companies offer retiree health insurance, and when we reach 65, we can still get insurance to supplement Medicare. Living modestly, our financial advisor says we will have enough cash to last until we are 95. Given that we have relatives in their 80’s and 90’s, we may need it. 😆 Our “cash” though is in stocks and bonds, so things can change.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 9, 2021 18:24:59 GMT
We're in our early 50s, and we're looking at moving / buying a different house (with some property), instead of paying our current house off... Backwards from what most people want to be doing at this stage, I know. But that's because we finally talked seriously about it and neither of us want to retire in Arizona with the weather and water situation the way they're going.
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Post by Linda on Jul 9, 2021 19:35:50 GMT
we're 50/51 and just bought our first real house (after two mobile homes on land). We still need to sell the last property. We did a 15 year mortgage so hopefully it'll be paid off a little early. I don't work and I only have enough earnings for the bare minimum Social Security. I have a very small investment account - not enough to live off of though. DH has contributed more to Social Security and has a 401K - he was late starting that but his company has a decent match.
I HOPE we'll be okay in our senior years but I don't have a lot of confidence.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jul 9, 2021 20:18:35 GMT
DH has retired three times in two years LOL. He really sucks at being retired while I am working. He will be 65 in January, and I will be 60 in March. He says he is going to start Social Security in January, but I’ll believe it when I see it.
He is currently working at an insane hourly rate, and this was supposed to be a temporary position until they hired someone for him to mentor. Eight months later, they finally hired the replacement guy, and DH will continue full time to train him with an end date of August. After that, he will cut back to no more than half-time doing some back office work that needs to be caught up, and then he should be ready to really retire in January.
We have more than enough to retire now, but the sticking point is health care. Our 21 yo twins are still on my plan and probably will be for at least 2 or 3 years. I qualify for retiree health at age 60, so I could retire then, but the premiums are high since I have only been with the university for 7 years. If I wait until May 2024 to retire at age 62, and the girls have their own benefits, my monthly premiums (today) based on that scenario would be about $1000 less than if I retire next March. The rates are based on years of service at the time of retirement, and they would not go down in May 2024 if I am already retired. Of course, they would go down a bit when both girls are off the policy.
But retirement at 60 is very tempting….
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Post by cade387 on Jul 9, 2021 20:25:12 GMT
I’m interested to know what your financial advisor told you. Our number was much higher than $2M. If I recall it was in the realm of 6 or 8 million. It's just me and my Financial Advisor suggested $2M. I like to travel - a lot - so I am sure that was part of it and my home is not paid for yet and won't be for a long while, but I have a very low mortgage. $6-8M seems like an awful lot, but maybe you live in an expensive area. Not an extremely high cost area but I think ours couples in with our kids plus accounting for not having SS available. I am in my early 40s so the thought is not counting on it because by the time I can take it, it could very well be gone. We also have kids and a house that is not yet paid off either (10years in on a 30yr). Plus the expected cost increases as we are not talking about retiring until the youngest is at least in college if not graduated so probably 13-15 years out.
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