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Post by katlady on Jul 19, 2021 1:58:40 GMT
I think we had a thread before about kids not knowing how to make change. I had an experience the other day that really had me worried about the future! LOL!
I bought something that came out to $12.08. I gave the gal $20.00 and was wondering if I should give her the $0.08 too, but decided not to. So, she proceeds to give me change. The cash register tells her how much to give me, $7.92. Easy right? I get the $7.00, then I get $0.75, and then here is where things got complicated.
She slowly gives me a dime. OK, so far so good, we are at $0.85. Then she halts for a bit, gets more coins out of the till, and tries to give me another dime and two pennies. I tell her no, that's wrong, it's $0.92, not $0.97. She takes the coins back, stands there for a few seconds, gets the coins and once again, tries to give me another dime!! I tell her no, a nickel, not a dime. She tries again, once again I get the darn dime! On the fourth try, she gives me the nickel, but she was so hesitant about it.
She was a really nice girl, and she apologized and said she is not good at giving change. But really, it is just basic math and counting. It is like she did not know how much a dime or a nickel were worth! I remember as a kid doing homework where we had to do worksheets where we count coins. Do they do that anymore?!
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Post by Linda on Jul 19, 2021 2:16:33 GMT
I remember as a kid doing homework where we had to do worksheets where we count coins. Do they do that anymore?! my kids did those but I don't think schools spend as much time on them as they used to do. I also think the prevalence of credit/debit cards and online payments means kids aren't exposed to coins the way we were as kids. I remember my allowance being 10p and then 25 cents when we moved - you better believe I knew those coins and their buying power - but I don't think kids get that as much anymore
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Post by seaexplore on Jul 19, 2021 2:36:00 GMT
They do a quick money lesson in 3rd grade, maybe before and that’s about it. It’s bad,
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Post by nylene on Jul 19, 2021 2:36:52 GMT
I had an experience with gramma when we went to lunch together last month. gramma wanted to take cookies back to my grandchildren, so she asked for a half dozen cookies. The young clerk said, "OK, how many?" gramma replied, "a half dozen". The girl looked like a deer in the headlights. Luckily, gramma helped her out with "that's 6." I'm amazed at what our children are not learning in the practical applications department. I agree that with the use of cards so prevalent and online ordering, they just don't learn to count money. I'm hoping they learn to tell time on a real clock, not just digital.
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Post by katlady on Jul 19, 2021 2:48:20 GMT
I'm hoping they learn to tell time on a real clock, not just digital. After seeing the other thread about digital clocks, I was wondering about that too. Besides telling time, do they know terminology like "quarter after", "half past", etc.
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Post by seaexplore on Jul 19, 2021 2:50:23 GMT
I'm hoping they learn to tell time on a real clock, not just digital. After seeing the other thread about digital clocks, I was wondering about that too. Besides telling time, do they know terminology like "quarter after", "half past", etc. Nope. I teach math 6-8 grades. When we’re doing fractions/decimals I always say 1/4 like a quarter, how much is a quarter worth? I get blank stares. Same with 1/2 and 3/4. I sigh deeply inside and just keep trying to help them.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 19, 2021 2:56:38 GMT
Oh dear, that's sad! Especially seeing that the register told her exactly how much change to give. I would definitely expect more from someone who works on a register. In Australia we got rid of one and two cent coins nearly 30 years ago, so everything gets rounded up or down to the nearest five cents. I'm not sure whether that would make it easier or harder for a kid working registers?
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Post by katlady on Jul 19, 2021 3:02:30 GMT
Oh dear, that's sad! Especially seeing that the register told her exactly how much change to give. I would definitely expect more from someone who works on a register. In Australia we got rid of one and two cent coins nearly 30 years ago, so everything gets rounded up or down to the nearest five cents. I'm not sure whether that would make it easier or harder for a kid working registers? Does the cash register automatically round up/down for you? If it doesn't, yeah, I can see it making it harder for people.
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Post by katlady on Jul 19, 2021 3:03:00 GMT
After seeing the other thread about digital clocks, I was wondering about that too. Besides telling time, do they know terminology like "quarter after", "half past", etc. Nope. I teach math 6-8 grades. When we’re doing fractions/decimals I always say 1/4 like a quarter, how much is a quarter worth? I get blank stares. Same with 1/2 and 3/4. I sigh deeply inside and just keep trying to help them.
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Post by rgibson on Jul 19, 2021 3:07:07 GMT
Does the cash register automatically round up/down for you? If it doesn't, yeah, I can see it making it harder for people. We don't have pennies here in Canada either and the register does not round up or down, the cashier has to do it. I find they do it right about half the time, sometimes it's in my favour, sometimes theirs but I figure overall, it evens out, lol.
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Post by AussieMeg on Jul 19, 2021 3:07:14 GMT
Oh dear, that's sad! Especially seeing that the register told her exactly how much change to give. I would definitely expect more from someone who works on a register. In Australia we got rid of one and two cent coins nearly 30 years ago, so everything gets rounded up or down to the nearest five cents. I'm not sure whether that would make it easier or harder for a kid working registers? Does the cash register automatically round up/down for you? If it doesn't, yeah, I can see it making it harder for people. Hmmmm, I'm not entirely sure. I know that when I do my grocery shopping, they call out the rounded up/down amount, but I usually pay by card, so it goes through as the exact amount.
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Post by iteach3rdgrade on Jul 19, 2021 3:20:31 GMT
We touch on it, but years ago we spent much more time on it and they reviewed it year after year. I still have to review coins in 3rd. The yearly review for many standards is missing. That's a problem.
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Post by wendifful on Jul 19, 2021 6:21:16 GMT
I worked retail for 14 years and I would always joke with customers that I'm a little dumb with math when the cash register drawer is open! (I'm quite good at it normally.) I get what you're saying, but there's a whole extra layer when you're worrying about the till being off at the end of the day and getting written up for it. Add in the stress of possibly having a long line, having to answer the phone, needing to listen to your manager on the radio, watching out for scam artists who like to confuse cashiers by exchanging bills...well, it's a lot and when there was money being actively exchanged, I didn't try to rush it because it could get confusing. I always like to extend that grace to cashiers when they're trying to figure it out, because it's a lot more than simple math with all those other factors involved.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jul 19, 2021 11:12:13 GMT
I think others have touched on the issue. The skill is taught, but there is little practical application to reinforce the skill. And kids are no longer going to the store with their $.25 allowance. If they get cash, it’s bills and they just hand over paper money and get change. Another factor is that American money doesn’t have the amount marked on it that is large enough to read or to directly understand. It says “one quarter” or “one dime” vs 25¢ or 10¢. If you aren’t familiar with one nickle=.05¢, that can be confusing. Euros has the numbers on them which is really helpful. My problem is that my old eyes can’t see the numbers if the coins are old and the 10 and 20¢ pieces are close enough in size to make it confusing. Attachments:
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Post by hookturnian on Jul 19, 2021 14:37:19 GMT
I think we had a thread before about kids not knowing how to make change. I had an experience the other day that really had me worried about the future! LOL! I bought something that came out to $12.08. I gave the gal $20.00 and was wondering if I should give her the $0.08 too, but decided not to. So, she proceeds to give me change. The cash register tells her how much to give me, $7.92. Easy right? I get the $7.00, then I get $0.75, and then here is where things got complicated. She slowly gives me a dime. OK, so far so good, we are at $0.85. Then she halts for a bit, gets more coins out of the till, and tries to give me another dime and two pennies. I tell her no, that's wrong, it's $0.92, not $0.97. She takes the coins back, stands there for a few seconds, gets the coins and once again, tries to give me another dime!! I tell her no, a nickel, not a dime. She tries again, once again I get the darn dime! On the fourth try, she gives me the nickel, but she was so hesitant about it. She was a really nice girl, and she apologized and said she is not good at giving change. But really, it is just basic math and counting. It is like she did not know how much a dime or a nickel were worth! I remember as a kid doing homework where we had to do worksheets where we count coins. Do they do that anymore?! Is it possible that she was not raised in the US? The terms quarter, nickel and dime are not common outside the US.
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Post by basketdiva on Jul 19, 2021 14:40:40 GMT
Does the cash register automatically round up/down for you? If it doesn't, yeah, I can see it making it harder for people. Hmmmm, I'm not entirely sure. I know that when I do my grocery shopping, they call out the rounded up/down amount, but I usually pay by card, so it goes through as the exact amount. Since you don't have pennies anymore is merchandise just priced in 5 cent increments?
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Post by cat2007 on Jul 19, 2021 14:42:17 GMT
I'm hoping they learn to tell time on a real clock, not just digital. After seeing the other thread about digital clocks, I was wondering about that too. Besides telling time, do they know terminology like "quarter after", "half past", etc. Our kids do. DH tries to throw them off by saying "10 til (the hour)...lol. We even say "quarter past."
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Post by hmp on Jul 19, 2021 15:57:59 GMT
My 16 year old niece is the same way with change. However she gave up on coins in kindergarten once she learned paper money is worth more. She couldn’t tell the difference between a penny, nickel, dime or quarter. Ask her to go in your wallet to get money for ice cream and she’d always pull out the $20 🤣
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Post by workingclassdog on Jul 19, 2021 16:06:43 GMT
My youngest is 13 and I just cringe when I make her pay for stuff on her own (she still doesn't quite get it)... We have practiced and practiced.
Uggggg...
My first job really taught me quick how to count change back (in my head) no register telling me.
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Post by malibou on Jul 19, 2021 16:22:02 GMT
I'm a bit of a numbers freak, and Dh is very serious about money, between the two of us, Ds20 has been schooled!
Ds didn't talk until nearly 4, but could tell time on an analog clock at age 2. When he started talking he would say things to us like, What's another answer for what time it is? And he would expect us to answer him. So yeah, things like it's 52 minutes to the hour would come out of our mouths. When he started kindergarten he insisted he needed a watch. We could not find an analog watch for kids, so he ended up with a basic ladies watch. He taught most of his class how to tell time.
We also took him to stores regularly and had him pay and figure out what change he supposed to get back. We were lucky that cashiers were so enthralled by a little kid calculating change in his head that they stood there quietly waiting. There was a little 99¢ store near us with the most delightful old man from India. He used to pretend to fumble with which coins to give back and ask Ds to help him. As Ds got older, he would challenge him to who could calculate change the fastest.
As a result, my kid makes fun of his friends the very second they fumble with money, and helped all of them learn to read an analog clock. He jokes that he just can't be friends with someone that can't do these two things. We keep joking that he's likely to never get a girlfriend with that strict set of standards. 😂
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Post by katlady on Jul 19, 2021 16:25:22 GMT
Ask her to go in your wallet to get money for ice cream and she’d always pull out the $20 🤣 Smart girl!
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Post by katlady on Jul 19, 2021 16:27:24 GMT
Is it possible that she was not raised in the US? The terms quarter, nickel and dime are not common outside the US. Odds are in favor that she was American, or at least here since she was very very young. Talked and acted like a typical American high schooler.
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Post by katlady on Jul 19, 2021 16:29:18 GMT
I think others have touched on the issue. The skill is taught, but there is little practical application to reinforce the skill. And kids are no longer going to the store with their $.25 allowance. If they get cash, it’s bills and they just hand over paper money and get change. Another factor is that American money doesn’t have the amount marked on it that is large enough to read or to directly understand. It says “one quarter” or “one dime” vs 25¢ or 10¢. If you aren’t familiar with one nickle=.05¢, that can be confusing. Euros has the numbers on them which is really helpful. My problem is that my old eyes can’t see the numbers if the coins are old and the 10 and 20¢ pieces are close enough in size to make it confusing. I don’t have a nickel, but you get the idea. View AttachmentI've never given it much thought that our coins don't have numbers on them! Also, the nickel ($0.05) is larger than a dime ($0.10), which can also be confusing.
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Post by PLurker on Jul 19, 2021 16:29:28 GMT
I'm torn. I've worked jobs where I've had to count back change and actually enjoyed the process of it. Some that I worked with would always find it difficult and make it clumsy, which it's not if done right. The "do it right, it's so simple" would come to my brain's forefront. But it's not that simple for some, whose brains just work differently.
Then comes the "I can't believe they don't still teach that".(cursive is another that comes to mind) I get that too, to a point, but as the saying goes, times they are a changing. If a skill is needed or makes life easier, people will use or find their way back to it naturally.
There's a lot that our parents, grandparents etc learned that was essential then and obsolete now. Maybe it's just more noticeable when it changes quickly, like within a generation when one who was taught something co-exist with another who wasn't and finds no need for it. I don't know, because, "back in my day...!"
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Post by seaexplore on Jul 19, 2021 16:32:18 GMT
I send my almost 10 year old and 5 year old into Subway together to get sandwiches after gymnastics. I went in with them at first but now they go alone. The older one knows how much change she should get back based on what she gives the cashier. The younger goes along for the ride to learn how to order for himself. I absolutely do not do things for them that they can do for themselves. I'm working on teaching them lifeskills. BOTH kids have old school clocks in their bedrooms and can tell time. When they get sent to their rooms for a time out, they get to come out when the clock tells them the correct amount of time has passed. The younger quickly figured out how to get 5 minutes on a clock. LOL
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Post by gizzy on Jul 19, 2021 16:35:48 GMT
Our DS's school didn't teach about $, telling time or cursive, only how to write your name in cursive. We taught him how to count change. Still working on telling time.
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Post by warrior1991 on Jul 19, 2021 16:35:56 GMT
I saw a cash register at a gas station once that showed a color picture of which bills and coins to give back as change. This was over 15 years ago.
My older brother used to try and get me to exchange the "bigger" coins with him. Hoping I would want the nickels more than the dimes because they were the "bigger" coin, but I liked the little ones better. They were "cuter". lol!!
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Post by PLurker on Jul 19, 2021 16:52:06 GMT
I'm amazed at what our children are not learning in the practical applications department. not directing at you but some things are just becoming less practical/prevalent in modern times. Consider the reverse, our children/grandchildren being amazed that we don't know/weren't taught what is practical and everyday to them. Like "opening a pdf" LOL (that insurance commercial "are you becoming your parents" flashes to my mind. "we're going to open a pdf" at about 20 seconds in fb.watch/v/AkZk4e68/
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Post by malibou on Jul 19, 2021 17:03:30 GMT
I saw a cash register at a gas station once that showed a color picture of which bills and coins to give back as change. This was over 15 years ago. My older brother used to try and get me to exchange the "bigger" coins with him. Hoping I would want the nickels more than the dimes because they were the "bigger" coin, but I liked the little ones better. They were "cuter". lol!! All of my siblings and I were saving our money for a cross country trip we were taking when I was in 2nd grade. I pulled that nickels are bigger stunt on my little brother. One of my older sisters ratted me out. Punishment was doled out. I had to give my money to my brother and teach him the value of the coins. There are 5 kids in my family, and my parents had a very strict no tattle tale policy. My older sister had to give me her money. I came out ahead, as she was old enough to babysit. 😈 As the trip was getting pretty close at the time this happened, there wasn't much time for my sister to make any money. She had a few dollars, and I bought her ice cream every time we got to stop for one.
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Post by seaexplore on Jul 19, 2021 17:07:07 GMT
I saw a cash register at a gas station once that showed a color picture of which bills and coins to give back as change. This was over 15 years ago. My older brother used to try and get me to exchange the "bigger" coins with him. Hoping I would want the nickels more than the dimes because they were the "bigger" coin, but I liked the little ones better. They were "cuter". lol!! All of my siblings and I were saving our money for a cross country trip we were taking when I was in 2nd grade. I pulled that nickels are bigger stunt on my little brother. One of my older sisters ratted me out. Punishment was doled out. I had to give my money to my brother and teach him the value of the coins. There are 5 kids in my family, and my parents had a very strict no tattle tale policy. My older sister had to give me her money. I came out ahead, as she was old enough to babysit. 😈 As the trip was getting pretty close at the time this happened, there wasn't much time for my sister to make any money. She had a few dollars, and I bought her ice cream every time we got to stop for one. OMG! I'm dying! That's awesome malibou
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