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Post by magellen on Jul 31, 2021 19:12:07 GMT
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Post by seaexplore on Jul 31, 2021 19:21:29 GMT
Sometimes I hate living in CA.
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Post by pinklady on Jul 31, 2021 19:25:55 GMT
Sometimes I hate living in CA. Huh, I always hate inhumane treatment of animals. |
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Post by malibou on Jul 31, 2021 19:30:24 GMT
Of course I dislike inhumane treatment of animals, but if the veal and chicken/egg producers had no problem conforming to the new rules and pig farmers are only at 4% compliance, there seems to be a problem with the law. CA consumes 15% of all bacon. This is going to cause problems CA.
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Post by katlady on Jul 31, 2021 19:34:03 GMT
Pork is my first choice.  |
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Post by lucyg on Jul 31, 2021 19:40:27 GMT
Call me cynical, but I think the state of California and the Iowa pork producers will somehow manage to iron out the problems between them.
If not, I guess I’m giving up bacon for the time being. I love bacon, but I’m not willing to lose sleep over this.
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Post by magellen on Jul 31, 2021 20:04:27 GMT
I think pork-legging could be bigger than bootlegging. I can just see the tv show. Boss Hogg of hazard county.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 31, 2021 20:19:56 GMT
Of course I dislike inhumane treatment of animals, but if the veal and chicken/egg producers had no problem conforming to the new rules and pig farmers are only at 4% compliance, there seems to be a problem with the law. The pork producers chose to fight the law in court (they lost) rather than try to comply.  And FFS, the thread title is click bait. Nothing in this law is going to make bacon illegal. I think about 12% of the US population is in CA, so it is no surprise that 15% of a the pork consumption is there, especially when counting tourist eating added into the consumption. |
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Post by chaosisapony on Jul 31, 2021 20:22:43 GMT
Bacon is not going to be illegal.  I think as pork producers continue to fight to maintain inhumane conditions the prices here will go up. Bacon is not a huge part of my diet so I'm not really concerned. However, I do live in an area with ample farms and farmer's markets so I am sure I could get some locally sourced bacon without a problem. |
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Post by magellen on Jul 31, 2021 20:28:40 GMT
I see a bill full of pork heading toward the state senate.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 31, 2021 21:08:34 GMT
We buy our pork by half a hog from local people, but I will say that I would be stocking up on bacon if I thought it was going to be scarce or severely overpriced.
With that said, the pork producers should have been taking steps to comply while they were fighting in court.
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Post by malibou on Jul 31, 2021 21:46:36 GMT
Of course I dislike inhumane treatment of animals, but if the veal and chicken/egg producers had no problem conforming to the new rules and pig farmers are only at 4% compliance, there seems to be a problem with the law. The pork producers choose to fight the law in court (they lost) rather than try to comply. And FFS, the thread title is click bait. Nothing in this law is going to make bacon illegal. I think about 12% of the US population is in CA, so it is no surprise that 15% of a the pork consumption is there, especially when counting tourist eating added into the consumption. Thank you. I should have read more. I certainly know better. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 31, 2021 22:43:51 GMT
Sad all the way around!
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Post by seaexplore on Jul 31, 2021 22:53:16 GMT
I think pork-legging could be bigger than bootlegging. I can just see the tv show. Boss Hogg of hazard county. Drive to Nevada to get my bacon fix. Buy in bulk and bring back to "share". LOL |
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Post by katlady on Jul 31, 2021 22:55:15 GMT
I think pork-legging could be bigger than bootlegging. I can just see the tv show. Boss Hogg of hazard county. Drive to Nevada to get my bacon fix. Buy in bulk and bring back to "share". LOL Yeah, we may have to start making bacon and pork runs to Vegas!  |
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Post by katlady on Jul 31, 2021 22:57:32 GMT
I just thought of something funny. Right on the California side of the CA/NV border that is a store that sells Lotto tickets. Well, someone could set up a store right on the Nevada side of the border that sells pork products! Catch all those So.Cal people heading back home.  |
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Post by magellen on Aug 1, 2021 0:48:08 GMT
Just give me my baby backs.
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Post by seaexplore on Aug 1, 2021 2:39:24 GMT
I just thought of something funny. Right on the California side of the CA/NV border that is a store that sells Lotto tickets. Well, someone could set up a store right on the Nevada side of the border that sells pork products! Catch all those So.Cal people heading back home. Yes! I’d be crossing north near Tahoe tho. Bet I could find places tho! |
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Post by bc2ca on Aug 1, 2021 2:42:35 GMT
The pork producers chose to fight the law in court (they lost) rather than try to comply. And FFS, the thread title is click bait. Nothing in this law is going to make bacon illegal. I think about 12% of the US population is in CA, so it is no surprise that 15% of a the pork consumption is there, especially when counting tourist eating added into the consumption. Thank you. I should have read more. I certainly know better. Just to be clear, my eye roll was for the pork producers, not you.  |
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Post by papersilly on Aug 1, 2021 4:44:49 GMT
Let the hoarding begin.
We don't cook bacon much at home (maybe once a year or twice a year during the holidays) but I do enjoy it in a sandwich. I'm sure the restaurant price hikes will begin too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 6:05:01 GMT
Anything to support animal welfare is good in my book , if the industry complies then bacon shouldn’t go short and people can still enjoy eating it.
I have been a vegetarian for many years but on one occasion I lapsed and had some bacon !
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 1, 2021 6:55:25 GMT
Sometimes I hate living in CA. Huh, I always hate inhumane treatment of animals. good for California. I grew up in northwest Illinois, and the massive 'corporate farms' have taken over... there is a multi-thousand hog operation at least 10-15 miles away from my mom's house, and you can SMELL it when the wind is blowing the wrong direction. And the small family farmers have been put out of business. There is something HORRIBLY WRONG with that situation. (also something horribly wrong with a system that subsidizes meat and dairy, but doesn't give any money to the vegetable farmers. But that's for another thread.) Of course I dislike inhumane treatment of animals, but if the veal and chicken/egg producers had no problem conforming to the new rules and pig farmers are only at 4% compliance, there seems to be a problem with the law. or perhaps a problem with the PIG FARMERS, maybe?? If the law works for the veal and chicken/egg producers, then why can't it be the PIG farmers that's the problem, not the law?? |
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Post by manda on Aug 1, 2021 7:29:17 GMT
Enforce the animal humane practices for our food here in California but let the homeless suffer inhumanely. This state is weird..
That’s sarcasm but truly I’m more disgusted about how we treat vulnerable humans.
I also buy all our meat online from smaller farms selling online that costs at least 4x as much as in the store.
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Post by malibou on Aug 1, 2021 7:35:14 GMT
Huh, I always hate inhumane treatment of animals. good for California. I grew up in northwest Illinois, and the massive 'corporate farms' have taken over... there is a multi-thousand hog operation at least 10-15 miles away from my mom's house, and you can SMELL it when the wind is blowing the wrong direction. And the small family farmers have been put out of business. There is something HORRIBLY WRONG with that situation. (also something horribly wrong with a system that subsidizes meat and dairy, but doesn't give any money to the vegetable farmers. But that's for another thread.) Of course I dislike inhumane treatment of animals, but if the veal and chicken/egg producers had no problem conforming to the new rules and pig farmers are only at 4% compliance, there seems to be a problem with the law. or perhaps a problem with the PIG FARMERS, maybe?? If the law works for the veal and chicken/egg producers, then why can't it be the PIG farmers that's the problem, not the law?? Gotcha, up above you will see that I already acknowledged that I fucked up and didn't vet the article. My bad. |
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Post by magellen on Aug 1, 2021 9:00:05 GMT
These aren’t actually pig farmers, but large corporate facilities. And they get away with a lot. Some are owner by Chinese companies and are partnered by celebrities. I can’t remember the basketball player who has a stake in these.
Pork is a valuable protein when you are the lower end of the pay scale. There isn’t any other protein That you can buy for less than 2/3 dollars that can be prepared in so many different ways and still be eatable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 12:54:32 GMT
These aren’t actually pig farmers, but large corporate facilities. And they get away with a lot. Some are owner by Chinese companies and are partnered by celebrities. I can’t remember the basketball player who has a stake in these. Pork is a valuable protein when you are the lower end of the pay scale. There isn’t any other protein That you can buy for less than 2/3 dollars that can be prepared in so many different ways and still be eatable. Um, almost every cut of pork is more expensive here in Ca. I can get a 5.5 pound whole chicken for under $5 on sale, under $5.50 when not on sale. 4 boneless chops are about $8. Turkey bacon is about $2-5 depending on brand. Regular, cheap bacon starts at $6.99. Good quality is about $9.99. Pork butt will run ya about $15-20. Pork loin about $12-13. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 12:57:08 GMT
Instead of the farmers complaining that 250 pigs will fit in a stall instead of 300 do something about it. You had 3 years to fix it. There were grant programs available.
All they are asking for is for the pigs to able to turn around and stretch out. If you need to more 50 pigs from each stall to a new one, then do it.
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Post by magellen on Aug 1, 2021 13:08:31 GMT
These aren’t actually pig farmers, but large corporate facilities. And they get away with a lot. Some are owner by Chinese companies and are partnered by celebrities. I can’t remember the basketball player who has a stake in these. Pork is a valuable protein when you are the lower end of the pay scale. There isn’t any other protein That you can buy for less than 2/3 dollars that can be prepared in so many different ways and still be eatable. Um, almost every cut of pork is more expensive here in Ca. I can get a 5.5 pound whole chicken for under $5 on sale, under $5.50 when not on sale. 4 boneless chops are about $8. Turkey bacon is about $2-5 depending on brand. Regular, cheap bacon starts at $6.99. Good quality is about $9.99. Pork butt will run ya about $15-20. Pork loin about $12-13. Your pork prices are high. I can get a whole pork loin for $1.80 a pound. |
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Post by Merge on Aug 1, 2021 14:54:26 GMT
This bacon, which I purchased this morning, says on the package that the pigs are not caged/crated and have room to roam. It's 6.68 for a 12 oz package, which is all the bacon our family of 4 would reasonably eat in a week (or more). www.heb.com/product-detail/pederson-s-uncured-no-sugar-hickory-smoked-bacon/1873409Organic ground pork, certified humane, 6.17/lb. www.heb.com/product-detail/dubreton-organic-ground-pork-1-lb/3259002Reasonable if you're using meat in smaller portions or as flavoring in a dish, or if you keep meat consumption to 2-3 times per week. The answer may be less meat consumption overall, which we all know is healthier for us and better for the environment. There are lots of sources of protein that are cheaper to produce and better for us and our environment. I don't think we need to keep torturing animals so people can continue to consume meat in large quantities. |
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Post by birukitty on Aug 1, 2021 15:46:14 GMT
These aren’t actually pig farmers, but large corporate facilities. And they get away with a lot. Some are owner by Chinese companies and are partnered by celebrities. I can’t remember the basketball player who has a stake in these. Pork is a valuable protein when you are the lower end of the pay scale. There isn’t any other protein That you can buy for less than 2/3 dollars that can be prepared in so many different ways and still be eatable. You said above "There isn't any other protein that you can buy for less than 2/3 dollars that can be prepared in so many different ways and still be eatable". Yes, there is. Beans. Beans are a wonderful source of protein that can be prepared in numerous different ways and still be edible. Many poorer countries like Mexico use beans quite a lot in their recipes. As a whole foods, plant based eater I use beans and other legumes in my diet. |
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