NYC Will Require Proof of Vaccination for restaurants & gyms

Good. I hope more major cities will get on board with this.

I will be the lone dissenter on this issue (guess Im not so alone after all lol) . I am pro vaccine, but I also acknowledge that this vaccine has not been fully approved, we do not fully know what it will or will not do. I do not believe in mandating such a vaccine AT THIS STAGE of it's existence. Once it has gone through the proper channels, we can look at mandating. Yes I also believe in science so I realize I am in the small majority who feel this way. I have had mine. Got it as soon as I was eligible. For the record I do not believe in mandating the flu vaccine either.

I do not believe in providing proof of vaccines to go about my daily life. I do agree with the current mandated proof for travel, admission into medical facility (like long term care type situations), attending any schools. I do not agree with proof of vaccines to dine out or go grocery shopping or go to Michaels. I struggle with my thoughts on large venues such as indoor concerts because I am not quite sure where I stand there. I can admit that. This is all new to me and I have no problems admitting when I have conflict in how I feel/believe and what I am reading from medical experts.

I am worried that California will follow with this type of thing. We tend to follow NY in the handling of the virus. I feel there is a lot of room for choice already. I can choose to vaccinate or not. I can choose to attend a concert or not. I can wear a mask in any venue I choose or I don't have to. Those who choose not to vaccinate or wear a mask have to live with their own choices and the consequences of those actions. I understand herd immunity very well, however this vaccine is not a mandated vaccine. If they aren't willing to mandate it, then they shouldn't be able to mandate proof of it other than medical, travel, school. If you really want it that badly, then mandate it. I have a feeling the reason they don't mandate it is because they wouldn't win the court fights at this stage and this is their end route around that issue. For a party that doesn't want anyone telling them what to do with their bodies, the reaction and support of this particular things is a bit surprising.

I agree with ScrappinSpidey. IDK how the heck they are going to put this on the stores or restaurants to verify. As it is people have meltdowns over having to wear a mask. Who is going to do the checking? And what about fraud?

If they require restaurants and stores to verify vax cards it will kill the businesses. They can't possibly police this, or pay a staffer to.

I'm super pro vax but people are crazy and this is just not going to work.

In theory, I support this.

In practice, I think it’s a wasted effort. Fake proof of vaccinations will proliferate.

Ugh, I used to work the front desk at a gym in college starting about 12 years ago. Back then the gym I worked for had introduced technology to tie your phone number with your thumb print as a way to check into the gym without needing your member card or ID. Most people were great and signed up or simply said no thanks and continued to bring their cards and ID. But those select few people who were total jerks to me for simply asking a question still haunt me. I could not imagine, especially at the rates this place paid, being required to check each persons vaccination card. Nor would I want to. I feel so bad for public employees who will be required to ask people for their vaccination status.

I want as many people vaccinated as possible but I also don’t want to have to prove to every store and public location that I’ve been vaccinated. And what about kids who aren’t eligible? Are they exempt or will they have to stay out?

I am an optimist by nature, but this is simply not going to work. As much as I LOVE the idea, the vaccine cards would not be difficult to forge if one wanted to. And like others have said, the poor staff who are going to have to try and enforce it…no, I don’t see it going well at all.

I work for a large healthcare system and today they told us that flu and COVID vaccines will be mandatory going forward. I was quite pleased about it - and not too surprised.

We have a small venue called Aggie Theatre that will require vaccine or negative test in the last 72 hours.

Pretty impressed with them.

In total agreement.

I am with you on this. I am 100% for vaccine but some of this is treading a little to close to communism to me

No, it s nothing like communism.

www.britannica.com/topic/communism
“ Communism, political and economic doctrine that aims to replace private property and a profit-based economy with public ownership and communal control of at least the major means of production (e.g., mines, mills, and factories) and the natural resources of a society. ”

I think the word you are thinking of is totalitarian.

www.britannica.com/topic/totalitarianism

“Totalitarianism, form of government that theoretically permits no individual freedom and that seeks to subordinate all aspects of individual life to the authority of the state.“



ETA I was helping the poster with terminology, but FTR I don’t personally think this rises to the level of totalitarian government. Public health crisis, war, natural disaster, extreme civil unrest, etc.—all can cause situations where the government has to implement more stringent restrictions on actions/activities than normal. This is a public health crisis, and it falls within the government’s power to restrict activities for those who are not vaccinated. The more people end up infected because they are not vaccinated, the more likely it is that this virus will mutate into a variant that is vaccine resistant and non responsive to treatment. I am all for any steps that will help prevent that.

It’s not a mandate. It’s controlling access to places of public accommodation based on a voluntary health choice. A lifestyle choice, if you will.

Everyone has a choice whether or not to get vaccinated (or they can apply for a legitimate exception if they can’t). Nothing mandated about it. If you don’t want the vaccine, then you’re making the choice not to go into these public places. Operative word is choice.

(States and localities already regulate and oversee other health requirements for restaurants and gyms, so this is not some outrageous thing. It’s only a big deal because the right decided to politicize the vaccine.)

Oh and BTW, mRNA treatments have been tested and in used in other applications for over a decade. They’re not some unknown quantity.

This is no more totalitarianism than it is to require that the person who serves your food washes their hands after using the restroom.

Not for the minimum wage employees it’s not. They don’t have a choice unless you count getting the shot or living on the street a choice.

Now if they said unvaccinated employees would need to wear masks and be tested twice a week that’s be a choice and I’d be on board, but they didn’t say that.

I have already proven that it isn't just non vaccinated people who choose that option.  I think its interesting that anyone would choose to automatically make that assumption.  Would you still make that assumption after knowing there are people who choose not to disclose and actually have the vaccine and are pro vaccine?    

I find this very interesting. I am vaccinated. I am not enraged. I do not have this feeling that you do. I know many like me so not all vaccinated people feel the same way about this situation. I do not feel held hostage by those choosing not to be vaccinated either. I do not have any kind of issues with being served by someone who may or may not be vaccinated. There really is no way to know at this point. Too many unvaccinated walk around without a mask, which was supposed to be a perk for vaccinated people only. Not many establishments post if all their employees are vaccinated or not. People who are vaccinated still choose to wear masks even with the vaccine so there really is NO way of knowing if the person who serves you at a restaurant is vaccinated. Do you currently ask the status of the person you are interacting with at each and every interaction? This is a sincere question as I am trying to understand something I currently do not feel myself.