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Post by freecharlie on Aug 9, 2021 17:12:38 GMT
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Post by naby64 on Aug 9, 2021 18:21:05 GMT
I'm waiting for my Navy moms FB to light up with this. So many are still unaware, it seems, that their family member is no longer theirs to control. Once their name is on the dotted line, they become government property and as such, must stay in fighting/defending condition.
There have been so many posts in the last few weeks that I have just stated the simple sentence about about gov't property. Most liked it and understand it. But there is always the one or two that want to argue it.
I don't need to worry about my sailor. He is fully vaxxed. And out on the big blue right now. I don't know what his command has told him and don't ask. It he is told to get it or not get off the ship at ports, he is able to hop off. Those that have not been getting it, have been told they can't leave the ship, have had liberty restricted, etc. Gosh, some of the moms have gone OFF on that. But what can you do?
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Post by krcrafts on Aug 9, 2021 18:34:55 GMT
I have to admit that I’m surprised they haven’t already been given the vaccine. Military is usually the guinea pigs for vaccines/medicine.
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Post by papersilly on Aug 9, 2021 19:17:17 GMT
i support this mandate. as quickly and powerfully as the delta variant spreads, the military could be significantly impacted if a good number of personnel are not vaccinated. for the protection of the armed forces as a whole, i'm for it.
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 9, 2021 19:20:16 GMT
i support this mandate. as quickly and powerfully as the delta variant spreads, the military could be significantly impacted if a good number of personnel are not vaccinated. for the protection of the armed forces as a whole, i'm for it. especially in a barrack or on a ship or other close quarters |
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Post by katlaw on Aug 9, 2021 19:36:41 GMT
I am surprised it was not an earlier priority. Canadian Armed Forces personnel starting receiving their vaccinations in April and expect to have all personnel who want a vaccine to be fully vaccinated right away.
It is not mandatory but refusing to be vaccinated could affect eligibility for deployment or training.
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Post by pinklady on Aug 9, 2021 19:36:52 GMT
Good. They already have mandatory vaccines so this isn't new.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 9, 2021 19:42:56 GMT
Sometime in late spring my Army grandson was vaccinated. I can't say if it was by choice. I do know he is doing well in the Army.
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 9, 2021 22:12:57 GMT
DH was pretty surprised by this, as they have been saying that they won’t be mandatory until they are FDA approved. DH is vaccinated up the wazoo and fully expects this to be added to the list. Since most of my interactions are with those associated with the military in some way, it makes me happy. Our vaccination rates in our area are very good, but our case numbers are still rising. I’m hoping the more people who are vaccinated, the better.
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Post by elaine on Aug 9, 2021 22:27:49 GMT
DH was pretty surprised by this, as they have been saying that they won’t be mandatory until they are FDA approved. DH is vaccinated up the wazoo and fully expects this to be added to the list. Since most of my interactions are with those associated with the military in some way, it makes me happy. Our vaccination rates in our area are very good, but our case numbers are still rising. I’m hoping the more people who are vaccinated, the better. This has been reflective of our conversations at home too. Anyone in the military knew that it was only a matter of time before the COVID vaccine would be mandatory. I think if it weren’t for Trump and his right-wing loony followers in Congress, that it would have been mandatory when the vaccines first rolled out. |
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Post by mom on Aug 9, 2021 22:30:22 GMT
DH was pretty surprised by this, as they have been saying that they won’t be mandatory until they are FDA approved. DH is vaccinated up the wazoo and fully expects this to be added to the list. Since most of my interactions are with those associated with the military in some way, it makes me happy. Our vaccination rates in our area are very good, but our case numbers are still rising. I’m hoping the more people who are vaccinated, the better. DS had been hearing the same thing. He went ahead and got his vax last month, but he was only doing it so he could take his mask off indoors. Then the very next day it came down that masks were going to be required with or without vax. On his base they have shut down any leave if you aren't vaccinated (actually, you have to get the commander's permission and who wants to do that?). |
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Post by hop2 on Aug 9, 2021 23:03:47 GMT
I am surprised it was not an earlier priority. Canadian Armed Forces personnel starting receiving their vaccinations in April and expect to have all personnel who want a vaccine to be fully vaccinated right away. It is not mandatory but refusing to be vaccinated could affect eligibility for deployment or training. Vaccinations were available voluntarily for the military since at least January as that is when my neighbor got hers. All you had to do was ask as far as I know |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2021 23:12:38 GMT
He is fully vaxxed. And out on the big blue right now. Wishing him well, always. |
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Post by papersilly on Aug 9, 2021 23:54:12 GMT
i support this mandate. as quickly and powerfully as the delta variant spreads, the military could be significantly impacted if a good number of personnel are not vaccinated. for the protection of the armed forces as a whole, i'm for it. especially in a barrack or on a ship or other close quarters Exactly. There are those who have said that the real threat is not nuclear war, it is biowarfare. This virus is a form of that and we would be inflicting it on ourselves if we do not guard against it. God forbid, if there is a catastrophic event in the middle of a pandemic and the military has to be called in, what hope do we have if a good number of that military is laid up in bed, in the hospital, or dead? |
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Post by aj2hall on Aug 10, 2021 0:01:04 GMT
On PBS NewsHour, they mentioned Biden needs to approve because it doesn’t have full FDA approval yet. If the FDA gives it full approval before Sept 15, Lloyd Austin can require it without Biden’s approval. Lloyd Austin’s office is encouraging everyone to get it now and not wait for the deadline. 62% of active duty members are fully vaxxed www.npr.org/2021/08/09/1026156079/pentagon-covid-19-vaccine-service-members |
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 10, 2021 0:02:24 GMT
I am surprised it was not an earlier priority. Canadian Armed Forces personnel starting receiving their vaccinations in April and expect to have all personnel who want a vaccine to be fully vaccinated right away. It is not mandatory but refusing to be vaccinated could affect eligibility for deployment or training. Vaccinations were available voluntarily for the military since at least January as that is when my neighbor got hers. All you had to do was ask as far as I know Hop, I can't remember if you are in the US or Canada. But my DH is active duty and wasn't eligible for his first shot until May 6. He was there in the first hour. Our college aged kids (24 & 21) living in the US were vaccinated long before we were even eligible for our first shots. They were slow to get the vaccines here in the Benelux area. There was an initial round in January when they vaccinated all the hospital workers and the top brass--about 100 people in total. DH was supposed to be in the next round, but then there were delays. I'm high risk as a diabetic with auto-immune issues and I didn't get my first shot until April 8th. I was in that first round of high risk patients. So not all US military had the option in January. |
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 10, 2021 0:05:50 GMT
DH was pretty surprised by this, as they have been saying that they won’t be mandatory until they are FDA approved. DH is vaccinated up the wazoo and fully expects this to be added to the list. Since most of my interactions are with those associated with the military in some way, it makes me happy. Our vaccination rates in our area are very good, but our case numbers are still rising. I’m hoping the more people who are vaccinated, the better. DS had been hearing the same thing. He went ahead and got his vax last month, but he was only doing it so he could take his mask off indoors. Then the very next day it came down that masks were going to be required with or without vax. On his base they have shut down any leave if you aren't vaccinated (actually, you have to get the commander's permission and who wants to do that?). What service is your DH? The AF just announced that the leave you have accrued is the total that you can carry until 2024. DH has almost 120 days accrued now, and there's no way he can ever take 120 days in the next year. But that's the plan. |
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Post by mom on Aug 10, 2021 0:22:12 GMT
DS had been hearing the same thing. He went ahead and got his vax last month, but he was only doing it so he could take his mask off indoors. Then the very next day it came down that masks were going to be required with or without vax. On his base they have shut down any leave if you aren't vaccinated (actually, you have to get the commander's permission and who wants to do that?). What service is your DH? The AF just announced that the leave you have accrued is the total that you can carry until 2024. DH has almost 120 days accrued now, and there's no way he can ever take 120 days in the next year. But that's the plan. DS2, not DH. He's Army. |
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Post by rune2484 on Aug 10, 2021 2:00:14 GMT
My husband (AF) was ordered...er "instructed" by his commander to get the vaccine back on the first day they were available at the MTF (military treatment facility, for those not in the acronym loop). He was working in a shop that had only two other military members and a bunch of contractors, so all the military guys were voluntold.
In his current shop, there are only a few guys who have chosen to be unvaccinated - all of them under the age of 22. The cycle of testing/quarantine for those kids due to covid exposure is really affecting the shop readiness, so I'm glad they will have to get the shot soon.
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Post by hop2 on Aug 10, 2021 14:42:41 GMT
Vaccinations were available voluntarily for the military since at least January as that is when my neighbor got hers. All you had to do was ask as far as I know Hop, I can't remember if you are in the US or Canada. But my DH is active duty and wasn't eligible for his first shot until May 6. He was there in the first hour. Our college aged kids (24 & 21) living in the US were vaccinated long before we were even eligible for our first shots. They were slow to get the vaccines here in the Benelux area. There was an initial round in January when they vaccinated all the hospital workers and the top brass--about 100 people in total. DH was supposed to be in the next round, but then there were delays. I'm high risk as a diabetic with auto-immune issues and I didn't get my first shot until April 8th. I was in that first round of high risk patients. So not all US military had the option in January. That’s weird, I guess it’s different.I’m in the US. The girl across the hall from me got her first shot beginning of January she said they offered & she accepted. I think she’s reserve/national guard. But I’m not sure, her uniform is army & she works from home but once a month she gears up & leaves for 3 days. So I assume reserves. But I guess I shouldn’t assume. She was super freaked out about the pandemic not seeing anyone, wearing a mask in the hall, getting stuff delivered and then got her vaccination and acted like the pandemic was over had parties & everything mid February. And my cousins son was also offered it pretty early on he’s active duty navy but I have no idea what he does or where he is if that makes a difference. ( which I guess from what your saying it does make a difference ) When she said she was offered it & got it I just figured they offered it to anyone. Sorry I was wrong in my assumption. I guess I really ought not assume. Weird to me if they did offer it do early to reserves & not active duty. But who am I to say what the military does. |
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 10, 2021 16:01:09 GMT
Hop, I can't remember if you are in the US or Canada. But my DH is active duty and wasn't eligible for his first shot until May 6. He was there in the first hour. Our college aged kids (24 & 21) living in the US were vaccinated long before we were even eligible for our first shots. They were slow to get the vaccines here in the Benelux area. There was an initial round in January when they vaccinated all the hospital workers and the top brass--about 100 people in total. DH was supposed to be in the next round, but then there were delays. I'm high risk as a diabetic with auto-immune issues and I didn't get my first shot until April 8th. I was in that first round of high risk patients. So not all US military had the option in January. That’s weird, I guess it’s different.I’m in the US. The girl across the hall from me got her first shot beginning of January she said they offered & she accepted. I think she’s reserve/national guard. But I’m not sure, her uniform is army & she works from home but once a month she gears up & leaves for 3 days. So I assume reserves. But I guess I shouldn’t assume. She was super freaked out about the pandemic not seeing anyone, wearing a mask in the hall, getting stuff delivered and then got her vaccination and acted like the pandemic was over had parties & everything mid February. And my cousins son was also offered it pretty early on he’s active duty navy but I have no idea what he does or where he is if that makes a difference. ( which I guess from what your saying it does make a difference ) When she said she was offered it & got it I just figured they offered it to anyone. Sorry I was wrong in my assumption. I guess I really ought not assume. Weird to me if they did offer it do early to reserves & not active duty. But who am I to say what the military does. It was a huge problem here and my family got our senators involved. We also didn't even get the flu vaccine until mid-January. DH and I had even discussed flying back to the States to get out Covid vaccines. We planned to go back for our DD’s graduation in May and planned to get vaccinated then if we weren’t vaccinated by then. It was incredibly frustrating. My DH was deemed essential personnel and has been working in the office since Day 1 of the pandemic, often working 12-24 hour days because he was the only one allowed to work in office. It’s really shameful how the active duty were treated here. |
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Post by hop2 on Aug 10, 2021 16:51:05 GMT
That’s weird, I guess it’s different.I’m in the US. The girl across the hall from me got her first shot beginning of January she said they offered & she accepted. I think she’s reserve/national guard. But I’m not sure, her uniform is army & she works from home but once a month she gears up & leaves for 3 days. So I assume reserves. But I guess I shouldn’t assume. She was super freaked out about the pandemic not seeing anyone, wearing a mask in the hall, getting stuff delivered and then got her vaccination and acted like the pandemic was over had parties & everything mid February. And my cousins son was also offered it pretty early on he’s active duty navy but I have no idea what he does or where he is if that makes a difference. ( which I guess from what your saying it does make a difference ) When she said she was offered it & got it I just figured they offered it to anyone. Sorry I was wrong in my assumption. I guess I really ought not assume. Weird to me if they did offer it do early to reserves & not active duty. But who am I to say what the military does. It was a huge problem here and my family got our senators involved. We also didn't even get the flu vaccine until mid-January. DH and I had even discussed flying back to the States to get out Covid vaccines. We planned to go back for our DD’s graduation in May and planned to get vaccinated then if we weren’t vaccinated by then. It was incredibly frustrating. My DH was deemed essential personnel and has been working in the office since Day 1 of the pandemic, often working 12-24 hour days because he was the only one allowed to work in office. It’s really shameful how the active duty were treated here. That is really shameful, he’s on a base right? I can’t imagine why they didn’t just find out who wanted it & ship some over. You’d think the military would take care of their personnel better. |
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Post by used2scrap on Aug 10, 2021 17:38:57 GMT
My 16 year old dd and I were fully vaccinated as retired dependents months before my active duty sister (also in Belgium) was able to be vaccinated. She had an ordeal to get her first vaccine so she could do essential travel and ended up getting her second shot back in the US when she travelled.
Ex was vaccinated before they opened up availability to most active duty on base as a current contractor working in higher headquarters as he was working in person. The only reason dd and I got shots earlier was because there was such a low rate of vaccination among the active duty on base they opened it up to avoid wasting doses. Youngest was vaccinated as soon as 12 year olds were eligible, because again low demand from active duty locally.
My ROTC midshipmen ds was “strenuously encouraged” to get his shots so he could attend summer training (which was cancelled last year and required to keep his scholarship). He scrambled for a while trying to get the vaccine on his own but eventually his unit found a local reserve unit to vaccinate a group of them.
Like much in the military it seems to vary greatly command to command, service to service, and theater to theater.
Hopefully better processes will get in place ASAP for the Sept deadline.
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 10, 2021 18:20:26 GMT
It was a huge problem here and my family got our senators involved. We also didn't even get the flu vaccine until mid-January. DH and I had even discussed flying back to the States to get out Covid vaccines. We planned to go back for our DD’s graduation in May and planned to get vaccinated then if we weren’t vaccinated by then. It was incredibly frustrating. My DH was deemed essential personnel and has been working in the office since Day 1 of the pandemic, often working 12-24 hour days because he was the only one allowed to work in office. It’s really shameful how the active duty were treated here. That is really shameful, he’s on a base right? I can’t imagine why they didn’t just find out who wanted it & ship some over. You’d think the military would take care of their personnel better. Yes. There’s an Army base here and there’s a US medical facility at the NATO base. We know the hospital commander and she was trying her best. The issues were definitely coming from higher up. |
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 10, 2021 18:34:14 GMT
My 16 year old dd and I were fully vaccinated as retired dependents months before my active duty sister (also in Belgium) was able to be vaccinated. She had an ordeal to get her first vaccine so she could do essential travel and ended up getting her second shot back in the US when she travelled. Ex was vaccinated before they opened up availability to most active duty on base as a current contractor working in higher headquarters as he was working in person. The only reason dd and I got shots earlier was because there was such a low rate of vaccination among the active duty on base they opened it up to avoid wasting doses. Youngest was vaccinated as soon as 12 year olds were eligible, because again low demand from active duty locally. My ROTC midshipmen ds was “strenuously encouraged” to get his shots so he could attend summer training (which was cancelled last year and required to keep his scholarship). He scrambled for a while trying to get the vaccine on his own but eventually his unit found a local reserve unit to vaccinate a group of them. Like much in the military it seems to vary greatly command to command, service to service, and theater to theater. Hopefully better processes will get in place ASAP for the Sept deadline. My DH was only vaccinated in May because he was traveling in the next week. Yes, healthcare does vary from area to area. There’s a huge difference in the care from an Air Force medical facility vs an Army facility and a big difference from base to base. It was very frustrating to me when we moved to the DC area and I found out that my kids would seldom see the same pediatrician from appointment to appointment and that there wasn’t a pediatrician on call nights or weekends. In the AF, our pediatrician often would see both kids at the same time. I hated the big machine of the DC area, but they also had great specialists. |
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Post by pinklady on Aug 11, 2021 13:40:03 GMT
I love Ted Lieu!
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Post by ellen on Aug 11, 2021 13:48:36 GMT
My daughter is a Navy nurse and was vaccinated in January. She took care of Covid patients and saw what bad shape they were in. She was glad to get her shot. My son-in-law was at the Naval academy and they had so many challenges with Covid. He said most of them also jumped at the chance to get vaccinated. They all knew it was a matter of time until it became mandatory.
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