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Post by stormsts on Aug 31, 2021 19:19:36 GMT
My DIL just called me. My grandson is quarantined for the second time. He started school Aug. 11. The first time he was in school 3 days before being quarantined. They did not have their chrome books assigned yet so he received a paper packet of work. They teacher never called or emailed one time during his quarantine to see how he was doing. After being back in school 5 days he is out again. They now have chrome books but they aren’t allowed to bring them home so he will be doing all his work by paper, again. My DS called the principal and asked about elearning and was told that the school corporation didn’t think they would have a problem with so many quarantining so they don’t have it set up. Seriously? What world are they living in?
I just needed to get this off my chest because I am just as pissed as my DS and DIL.
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Post by used2scrap on Aug 31, 2021 19:22:30 GMT
Ugh I’m sorry. I think it’s going to end up being a worse mess this year then last because so many thought it was going to be over and back to normal instead of getting worse.
My middle schooler had buses cancelled/quarantined two days after school started. It’s been another week and still no plans communicated from the school.
Fingers crossed and hope I guess? 🤷♀️
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Post by stormsts on Aug 31, 2021 19:27:57 GMT
Ugh I’m sorry. I think it’s going to end up being a worse mess this year then last because so many thought it was going to be over and back to normal instead of getting worse. My middle schooler had buses cancelled/quarantined two days after school started. It’s been another week and still no plans communicated from the school. Fingers crossed and hope I guess? 🤷♀️ Communication is definitely lacking. I am thankful that my grandson is a great student and my DIL is a SAHM but what about those parents that that now have to find childcare and the students that struggle? My grandson is a fourth grader. The first time he thought it was fun until he realized he couldn’t go to his sports practices.
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Post by monklady123 on Aug 31, 2021 19:41:36 GMT
Ugh, I'm sorry that's happened. And it's only the beginning of the school year. I'm not sure that our school systems really thought this through. I know ours didn't. The only thing they've been able to say about what happens when a kid is quarantined is that they'll receive "asynchronous work aligned to core standards". uh huh. And what are those "core standards" you might ask? Well...those aren't very well defined either, and apparently is does NOT mean "what the class is currently doing"... which means that the teachers are going to be asked to write up yet one more set of plans. And of course that asynchronous work can't be the same for every kid since not every kid is on the same level as every other kid.
Yeah, it's a mess.
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Post by beaglemom on Aug 31, 2021 20:04:16 GMT
My kindergartener didn't make it a week. We started on the 19th (Thursday). The following Thursday morning he woke up with a sore throat and sounded awful. So I kept him home, got a call later that day that all 4 kids at his table were kept home sick. Friday got the call that there was a positive close, prolonged, masked contact for him. But we can send him in if he doesn't have symptoms. We just need to have 2 negative tests in the next 10 days. We haven't gotten any info on stuff for the kids to do that I kept home. Chrome books hadn't gone out yet. But I got nothing from the school.
He gave it to his sister and to me. But thankfully IT wasn't covid. We all tested negative yesterday. But we aren't allowed to send them back till they are symptom-free. Which I appreciate, if everyone follows the rules.
The part that was crazy to me is that they told me I could still send my other 3 to school, as long as they didn't have symptoms. But we are in crazy smoke here (100+ air quality for the last week) so we couldn't tell what was sick and what was smoke issues (itchy eyes, headaches, throat tickle).
I homeschooled them last year and thought (back in June/early July) that this year would be safer. Now I am not so sure.
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 31, 2021 20:39:11 GMT
I am sorry. They need to have a backup plan for kids who are home, because kids are going to be home. I am teaching one (adult) class of twenty people in a city (SF) with a high vaccination rate, with students who are required to be masked and vaccinated. I had three -- three of twenty -- out for one or the other class session last week for COVID quarantine/symptoms.
We have a Zoom setup that is great -- I just push a button on the classroom console, and students at home can zoom in. I wouldn't expect a K-12 class to have anything that involved, but they should have some options.
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Post by Merge on Aug 31, 2021 21:10:05 GMT
I totally get your frustration. I can understand the teacher not checking up on him during quarantine - she likely already put in a great deal of work sourcing the paper packet, and most teachers (like me) will flatly refuse to do both in person and at-home learning this year. Honestly, the teachers I know in person would have pushed back hard on even having to make a packet. Imagine how much work it is to do that for every kid who comes in and out over the course of this year at different times when the class is learning different things.
Your school district needs to put in some kind of remote learning option for those who must quarantine. It needs to not involve the classroom teacher.
What will happen though, is that parents will stop reporting possible or positive cases because no one wants to be the parent who gets everyone quarantined again. They’ll just quietly keep their kids home until they stop showing symptoms and that will be that.
There are no good options here.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 31, 2021 21:19:14 GMT
I understand your frustration, but I would not direct it toward the teacher.
In my state, the state controls a lot of the funds and they flatly said all students needed to be in person this year, so they weren’t funding virtual options. To that end, schools do everything possible to avoid quarantining students. Close contacts are NOT required to quarantine.
If someone does have to quarantine, they are withdrawn from their regular class and assigned to the one virtual teacher in the district. Their regular teacher won’t assign their work or have any contact with them. After a year of juggling virtual and in person, teachers aren’t going to do that again.
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Post by stormsts on Aug 31, 2021 21:21:58 GMT
I totally get your frustration. I can understand the teacher not checking up on him during quarantine - she likely already put in a great deal of work sourcing the paper packet, and most teachers (like me) will flatly refuse to do both in person and at-home learning this year. Honestly, the teachers I know in person would have pushed back hard on even having to make a packet. Imagine how much work it is to do that for every kid who comes in and out over the course of this year at different times when the class is learning different things. Your school district needs to put in some kind of remote learning option for those who must quarantine. It needs to not involve the classroom teacher. What will happen though, is that parents will stop reporting possible or positive cases because no one wants to be the parent who gets everyone quarantined again. They’ll just quietly keep their kids home until they stop showing symptoms and that will be that. There are no good options here. You are right, there are no good options. I think what is most frustrating is that the school corporation seems to have not put much thought into a back up plan. I feel for the teachers as well. The first time he was quarantined it included 12 of 24 students in his class. I’m not sure how many this time around.
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Post by snugglebutter on Aug 31, 2021 21:25:20 GMT
It is so discouraging. I know how stressful the virtual/co-seated classes were for teachers, but one advantage it did have was making it fairly seamless when anyone had to quarantine. (that was the experience at my child's high school - obviously YMMV) I'm not even sure what they are doing this year for quarantined students.
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Post by stormsts on Aug 31, 2021 21:26:16 GMT
I understand your frustration, but I would not direct it toward the teacher. In my state, the state controls a lot of the funds and they flatly said all students needed to be in person this year, so they weren’t funding virtual options. To that end, schools do everything possible to avoid quarantining students. Close contacts are NOT required to quarantine. If someone does have to quarantine, they are withdrawn from their regular class and assigned to the one virtual teacher in the district. Their regular teacher won’t assign their work or have any contact with them. After a year of juggling virtual and in person, teachers aren’t going to do that again. None of my family is directing it towards the teacher. I can’t imagine being in any teachers shoes these past two school years. But a school district should have a much better plan in place because everyone knows this is going to happen. Be thankful your district is proactive. Our district is not trying to avoid quarantining students…
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Post by myshelly on Aug 31, 2021 21:29:51 GMT
I understand your frustration, but I would not direct it toward the teacher. In my state, the state controls a lot of the funds and they flatly said all students needed to be in person this year, so they weren’t funding virtual options. To that end, schools do everything possible to avoid quarantining students. Close contacts are NOT required to quarantine. If someone does have to quarantine, they are withdrawn from their regular class and assigned to the one virtual teacher in the district. Their regular teacher won’t assign their work or have any contact with them. After a year of juggling virtual and in person, teachers aren’t going to do that again. None of my family is directing it towards the teacher. I can’t imagine being in any teachers shoes these past two school years. But a school district should have a much better plan in place because everyone knows this is going to happen. Be thankful your district is proactive. Our district is not trying to avoid quarantining students… I am going to respectfully disagree with you. In your OP, you said the teacher didn’t even call or email. That is directed at the teacher. My district is not being proactive. The opposite. Close contacts are not quarantined. They are just pretending no one ever needs to quarantine. The one virtual teacher for the entire district of more than 35,000 students is being in pure denial, not being proactive.
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Post by stormsts on Aug 31, 2021 22:46:48 GMT
myshelly I misunderstood what you were saying regarding your own school district. I apologize. On the note regarding my teacher comment, I will respectfully disagree with you. We all feel the problem lies with no communication from the school corporation, principal and/or teachers. There should have been some communication coming from someone to all parents and students on what to expect in this scenario. Because everyone knew this scenario was going to happen. An email from the superintendent or the principal. On meet the teacher night the teacher might have said if your child is quarantined this is what will happen…..It’s a new school year, things are being run completely differently, as they should. Communication is critical. So, if you feel I am directing my frustration on the teacher, I am not.
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 1, 2021 1:03:52 GMT
I understand your frustration, but I would not direct it toward the teacher. In my state, the state controls a lot of the funds and they flatly said all students needed to be in person this year, so they weren’t funding virtual options. To that end, schools do everything possible to avoid quarantining students. Close contacts are NOT required to quarantine. If someone does have to quarantine, they are withdrawn from their regular class and assigned to the one virtual teacher in the district. Their regular teacher won’t assign their work or have any contact with them. After a year of juggling virtual and in person, teachers aren’t going to do that again.
So... they go to the virtual teacher while they're quarantined and then back to the regular teacher after their quarantine is over? As a classroom teacher, I'd hate that SO MUCH. Will the virtual teacher be doing the same thing the classroom teacher is doing? A kid misses 10 days of my class and does something else and they're SO FAR behind!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 1, 2021 1:06:34 GMT
As far as I can tell, the district I’m in has zero guidance on what will happen if kids are out with a Covid diagnosis or quarantining due to close contact. They brought back a K-5 virtual option at the dead last minute but offer nothing for the middle schools or high school so who knows what those kids will be doing if they end up being out for two weeks. At least last year there was a plan for the kids who were at home and a plan for if community spread numbers got too high. This year there seems to be no plan at all and the schools are going to be a revolving door shit show.
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Post by myshelly on Sept 1, 2021 1:08:04 GMT
I understand your frustration, but I would not direct it toward the teacher. In my state, the state controls a lot of the funds and they flatly said all students needed to be in person this year, so they weren’t funding virtual options. To that end, schools do everything possible to avoid quarantining students. Close contacts are NOT required to quarantine. If someone does have to quarantine, they are withdrawn from their regular class and assigned to the one virtual teacher in the district. Their regular teacher won’t assign their work or have any contact with them. After a year of juggling virtual and in person, teachers aren’t going to do that again.
So... they go to the virtual teacher while they're quarantined and then back to the regular teacher after their quarantine is over? As a classroom teacher, I'd hate that SO MUCH. Will the virtual teacher be doing the same thing the classroom teacher is doing? A kid misses 10 days of my class and does something else and they're SO FAR behind! I have no idea. I think they just tell the parents this because they don’t want any kids to miss school for quarantining. It’s supposed to be almost like a punishment for deciding to stay home for two weeks. There is one virtual teacher for all the grades. If a child needs to stay home and do virtual, he is pulled from his regular class and assigned to the virtual teacher. They are told that when they come back to school in person there is no guarantee they will be in the same class as before. Again, it is meant to discourage kids from being out. There is no virtual option this year, so the school doesn’t want parents to confuse this with a virtual option.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 1:09:52 GMT
I'm sorry, that is so aggravating! I don't understand why in this day and age, and after all we learned last year, why schools do not have an online option available. A paper packet seems so antiquated.
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 1, 2021 1:10:52 GMT
stormsts - I'm a middle school math teacher of 134 students- we mask in the classroom but not at lunch in the cafeteria where they are shoulder to shoulder packed in/recess outside where they're in groups and close to each other .... I had one go out with a positive test yesterday. That meant contacting 25 other students (because we share kids/classes rotate and seating charts are not the same across classrooms) about their contact/exposure- 5 of us divided it up but we had to call all the contacts. Today I had 14 kids missing from one class and 12 from another and a few in each of my other classes ON TOP OF the 10 I already have out on Independent Study or Quarantine. It's a shit show. Please do not blame the teacher for not checking in. Teachers are treading water right now trying to just stay on top of kids doing work and helping them and trying to keep it straight who is in class and who is not in class and grading work that's submitted late because whatever reason it's late and we're taking it full credit after a week so everything has to be graded all the time. I'm overwhelmed and ready to just throw in the towel and say to hell with it, I don't even care anymore. I won't because I have a good work ethic but damn is is tempting. I post work on google classroom that is the same as we're doing in class. Students are expected to do the work at home during the school day. That said, students can ALWAYS email me, parents can ALWAYS email me. Have you reached out to the teacher?
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 1, 2021 1:13:40 GMT
So... they go to the virtual teacher while they're quarantined and then back to the regular teacher after their quarantine is over? As a classroom teacher, I'd hate that SO MUCH. Will the virtual teacher be doing the same thing the classroom teacher is doing? A kid misses 10 days of my class and does something else and they're SO FAR behind! I have no idea. I think they just tell the parents this because they don’t want any kids to miss school for quarantining. It’s supposed to be almost like a punishment for deciding to stay home for two weeks. There is one virtual teacher for all the grades. If a child needs to stay home and do virtual, he is pulled from his regular class and assigned to the virtual teacher. They are told that when they come back to school in person there is no guarantee they will be in the same class as before. Again, it is meant to discourage kids from being out. There is no virtual option this year, so the school doesn’t want parents to confuse this with a virtual option. That's so messed up! OMG! That jacked up set up is just asking for parents to send kids to school sick. We don't have a virtual option in my district. Kid is either home quarantined and doing asynchronous work or in the classroom. We do have a "modified quarantine" where kids who are exposed but don't have symptoms are allowed to come to school as long as they are tested twice a week on non consecutive days and wear their masks properly. OR parents can choose to keep their kids home for 10 days and send them back if they have no symptoms after the 10th day.
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Post by myshelly on Sept 1, 2021 1:15:04 GMT
I'm sorry, that is so aggravating! I don't understand why in this day and age, and after all we learned last year, why schools do not have an online option available. A paper packet seems so antiquated. As a tax payer, it infuriates me. Last year, my state spent millions of tax dollars buying devices, hot spots, and specific software that it forced all districts and teachers to use. This year the state says, under penalty of losing funding, you can’t use any of that stuff. Everyone has to go in person.
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Post by sabrinae on Sept 1, 2021 1:23:26 GMT
While it’s not the teachers fault, it is the administrations fault. If it’s anything like my kids school, it’s a complete shit show and there’s no way for kids or teachers to effectively deal with quarantine or absences due to Covid. Our administration has no plans — they like to pretend there isn’t a pandemic
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Post by Merge on Sept 1, 2021 1:25:17 GMT
stormsts - I'm a middle school math teacher of 134 students- we mask in the classroom but not at lunch in the cafeteria where they are shoulder to shoulder packed in/recess outside where they're in groups and close to each other .... I had one go out with a positive test yesterday. That meant contacting 25 other students (because we share kids/classes rotate and seating charts are not the same across classrooms) about their contact/exposure- 5 of us divided it up but we had to call all the contacts. Today I had 14 kids missing from one class and 12 from another and a few in each of my other classes ON TOP OF the 10 I already have out on Independent Study or Quarantine. It's a shit show. Please do not blame the teacher for not checking in. Teachers are treading water right now trying to just stay on top of kids doing work and helping them and trying to keep it straight who is in class and who is not in class and grading work that's submitted late because whatever reason it's late and we're taking it full credit after a week so everything has to be graded all the time. I'm overwhelmed and ready to just throw in the towel and say to hell with it, I don't even care anymore. I won't because I have a good work ethic but damn is is tempting. I post work on google classroom that is the same as we're doing in class. Students are expected to do the work at home during the school day. That said, students can ALWAYS email me, parents can ALWAYS email me. Have you reached out to the teacher? Girl, you should not have to be making the calls. That should be admin’s job.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 1:26:40 GMT
I'm sorry, that is so aggravating! I don't understand why in this day and age, and after all we learned last year, why schools do not have an online option available. A paper packet seems so antiquated. As a tax payer, it infuriates me. Last year, my state spent millions of tax dollars buying devices, hot spots, and specific software that it forced all districts and teachers to use. This year the state says, under penalty of losing funding, you can’t use any of that stuff. Everyone has to go in person. It almost sounds like they prefer the antiquated way.
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Post by Merge on Sept 1, 2021 1:27:18 GMT
I'm sorry, that is so aggravating! I don't understand why in this day and age, and after all we learned last year, why schools do not have an online option available. A paper packet seems so antiquated. As a tax payer, it infuriates me. Last year, my state spent millions of tax dollars buying devices, hot spots, and specific software that it forced all districts and teachers to use. This year the state says, under penalty of losing funding, you can’t use any of that stuff. Everyone has to go in person. Wait, did everyone in the state have to use Itslearning? Because we had it before Covid and it’s been awful the whole time. Most of us went rogue and used a different platform.
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 1, 2021 1:30:16 GMT
stormsts - I'm a middle school math teacher of 134 students- we mask in the classroom but not at lunch in the cafeteria where they are shoulder to shoulder packed in/recess outside where they're in groups and close to each other .... I had one go out with a positive test yesterday. That meant contacting 25 other students (because we share kids/classes rotate and seating charts are not the same across classrooms) about their contact/exposure- 5 of us divided it up but we had to call all the contacts. Today I had 14 kids missing from one class and 12 from another and a few in each of my other classes ON TOP OF the 10 I already have out on Independent Study or Quarantine. It's a shit show. Please do not blame the teacher for not checking in. Teachers are treading water right now trying to just stay on top of kids doing work and helping them and trying to keep it straight who is in class and who is not in class and grading work that's submitted late because whatever reason it's late and we're taking it full credit after a week so everything has to be graded all the time. I'm overwhelmed and ready to just throw in the towel and say to hell with it, I don't even care anymore. I won't because I have a good work ethic but damn is is tempting. I post work on google classroom that is the same as we're doing in class. Students are expected to do the work at home during the school day. That said, students can ALWAYS email me, parents can ALWAYS email me. Have you reached out to the teacher? Girl, you should not have to be making the calls. That should be admin’s job. She asked nicely if we'd help. We agreed. If we hadn't she would have been calling until 7 last night. It took us less than 30 min total and gave us a chance to reach out to families. The way I see it, if I make my principal's life a little easier, she might make mine a little easier (and she's really awesome about helping me out with my own kids when I need something) My school is really small.... K-8 with around 400 kids.
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Post by Merge on Sept 1, 2021 1:34:12 GMT
I'm sorry, that is so aggravating! I don't understand why in this day and age, and after all we learned last year, why schools do not have an online option available. A paper packet seems so antiquated. It’s because last year they relied on classroom teachers to manage both the in person and the online options, and now they don’t have enough teachers because so many quit or retired. We don’t have the funding to staff a real online option with dedicated personnel. In my district, they’re using central office staff (curriculum coordinators, teacher development specialists, etc.) to manage the online option, which is only available to kids who have a documented medical condition or who need to quarantine. As a district we have a standard curriculum that in theory everyone is following, so a kid could go from in person to online and be on the same page. In reality, it doesn’t work like that, because we all meet our kids where they are, and we have a lot of speciality schools - dual language, IB, etc., that do things differently. Should be fun. I had a handful out from my 5th grade today and I’m not even allowed to send them the lesson if I wanted to, so we’ll be playing catch up when they come back.
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Post by CeeScraps on Sept 1, 2021 1:44:10 GMT
Schools aren't "planning" for hybrid because they want the kids there. I know, I know.....it's horrible.
The schools don't have subs. They don't have bus drivers. It's a mess.
The parents want the kids in school. The kids want to be in school. The teachers want to be in school. This school year will be worse. Why? Because there is little social distancing and few masks. Covid is going to spread. Last year not all the kids were in school. That's a huge difference of just shear numbers.
Oh and just wait.......wait for the flu to hit. This too will make it worse.
I'm sorry!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 15:19:36 GMT
I'm sorry, that is so aggravating! I don't understand why in this day and age, and after all we learned last year, why schools do not have an online option available. A paper packet seems so antiquated. It’s because last year they relied on classroom teachers to manage both the in person and the online options, and now they don’t have enough teachers because so many quit or retired. We don’t have the funding to staff a real online option with dedicated personnel. In my district, they’re using central office staff (curriculum coordinators, teacher development specialists, etc.) to manage the online option, which is only available to kids who have a documented medical condition or who need to quarantine. As a district we have a standard curriculum that in theory everyone is following, so a kid could go from in person to online and be on the same page. In reality, it doesn’t work like that, because we all meet our kids where they are, and we have a lot of speciality schools - dual language, IB, etc., that do things differently. Should be fun. I had a handful out from my 5th grade today and I’m not even allowed to send them the lesson if I wanted to, so we’ll be playing catch up when they come back. I was thinking more of an online lesson, not something that has to be monitored the entire school day. I can't imagine giving teachers more responsibility. But they have to check the paper packet, why not switch it for an online lesson. Last year my child did a lot of her classes using Canvas. I guess I was thinking of something more in line with that. But I'm from the days of cranking a ditto sheet so maybe I shouldn't be making suggestions here.
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Post by Merge on Sept 1, 2021 15:41:49 GMT
It’s because last year they relied on classroom teachers to manage both the in person and the online options, and now they don’t have enough teachers because so many quit or retired. We don’t have the funding to staff a real online option with dedicated personnel. In my district, they’re using central office staff (curriculum coordinators, teacher development specialists, etc.) to manage the online option, which is only available to kids who have a documented medical condition or who need to quarantine. As a district we have a standard curriculum that in theory everyone is following, so a kid could go from in person to online and be on the same page. In reality, it doesn’t work like that, because we all meet our kids where they are, and we have a lot of speciality schools - dual language, IB, etc., that do things differently. Should be fun. I had a handful out from my 5th grade today and I’m not even allowed to send them the lesson if I wanted to, so we’ll be playing catch up when they come back. I was thinking more of an online lesson, not something that has to be monitored the entire school day. I can't imagine giving teachers more responsibility. But they have to check the paper packet, why not switch it for an online lesson. Last year my child did a lot of her classes using Canvas. I guess I was thinking of something more in line with that. But I'm from the days of cranking a ditto sheet so maybe I shouldn't be making suggestions here. It can take a great deal of time and work to make an online lesson - even more than sourcing an appropriate worksheet/written work. (Yes, some worksheets can be done online, but I don't see a particular educational benefit to doing that vs. a paper one.) Last year I had to teach in person and post asynchronous online lessons for the kids at home. I spent approximately 10-12 hours per week of my own time creating those lessons so they'd be appropriate for the kids I teach. I needed instructional videos with engaging graphics for new material and review, and then had to design activities the kids could do independently with typical materials at home. It was a freaking nightmare.
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Post by OntarioScrapper on Sept 1, 2021 17:09:18 GMT
My DIL just called me. My grandson is quarantined for the second time. He started school Aug. 11. The first time he was in school 3 days before being quarantined. They did not have their chrome books assigned yet so he received a paper packet of work. They teacher never called or emailed one time during his quarantine to see how he was doing. After being back in school 5 days he is out again. They now have chrome books but they aren’t allowed to bring them home so he will be doing all his work by paper, again. My DS called the principal and asked about elearning and was told that the school corporation didn’t think they would have a problem with so many quarantining so they don’t have it set up. Seriously? What world are they living in? I just needed to get this off my chest because I am just as pissed as my DS and DIL. So sorry you are dealing with this! My province in Canada is still offering virtual learning. Schools are set to open on the 7th. My high schooler is vaxxed and will be in school learning. Though my province as eased up on the check list for COVID symptoms before you send your kid to school. Which seems to be to because of the younger kids that can't be vaccinated. Otherwise all those runny noses would cause more kids being sent home. They have also changed it to if a kid is exposed and has a sibling who is vaxxed, the vaxxed sibling can still go to their school. Last year everyone in the household had to quarentine until test results were done.
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