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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2021 14:23:44 GMT
I do not think you are over reacting. Health and safety comes first , although I can understand it feels hard if the rest of the group are not as concerned.
For me, I just do not think it is worth the risk. Perhaps you could say , I would love to join you next year but count me out for this one.
May be have something prepared as a response as they may try to persuade you to come because they will miss you not being there. Not easy !
hope you get something sorted.
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Post by bbkeef on Sept 1, 2021 15:17:18 GMT
but I’m not going to issue an ultimatum when I’m the only one in the group who cares. I think you are the one with enough guts to say it, others are probably thinking it too! Whatever you decide, I wish you good health!
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Post by piebaker on Sept 1, 2021 15:37:57 GMT
We attended a baby shower and a wedding at catering halls, for 4 or 5 hours, believing everyone was vaccinated, but you can't know for certain. The servers were masked throughout the event and staff were cleaning restrooms every few hours. Our family members were vaxxed. We were still nervous for a few days after, because a person can be asymptomatic even vaccinated.
You would be spending a weekend and sharing living space for two or three days.
I wouldn't go. The unvaccinated person should bow out, but probably won't.I send thoughts of good health and confidence in your decision
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Post by kitkath on Sept 1, 2021 16:10:51 GMT
Ya'll do realize that you can contract covid from vaccinated people who are asymptomatic, or who have such mild symptoms they don't realize they have it? If you (general you) are that worried about contracting it as a vaccinated person, then you can only be assured of not getting it by staying home, avoiding all travel and group get-togethers. I am saying this from personal experience. My vaccinated DH caught covid most likely from one of his vaccinated co-workers. I (also vaccinated) caught Covid from him. My case was so mild that I would have never known I had the virus had the nurses at the ER not had me get tested. My only symptom was nasal congestion, which I always have this time of year from allergies, with no other symptoms . Those of you convinced you can do group activities/travel and not get covid are fooling yourselves. You may not end up in the hospital like DH, but you can still get it to varying degrees. It will depend on the viral load that you contract. If I were that worried about catching Covid, I would stay home from a trip like this. Exactly!! I also speak from personal experience. If you are worried about it stay home. You can catch it from vaccinated and unvaccinated people. It’s probably even more likely that a vaccinated person is asymptomatic or has such a mild case that they are going about life as usual. I thought I had a very slight cold and was out and about everywhere, even playing pickleball I wouldn’t have known I had covid if my husband hadn’t gotten sick too. It’s so rare for either of us to be ill that for us both to be under the weather made us decide to get tested. Even one of our 3 cats caught it! We have no idea where or whom we contracted covid from.
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Post by gizzy on Sept 1, 2021 17:11:22 GMT
Even if she was to test before you gathered, it wouldn't make a difference if one of the vaccinated people were infected.
During this entire time, I've been extremely careful. To the point of not seeing family or friends until I was vaccinated. I'm still scared to go to gatherings. I still go. Even if someone is unvaccinated because of the reason above.
At this point, we are all going to come into contact with this virus. There's no way around it. That doesn't mean I feel ready to go to an indoor concert. I would go, gather with your friends and enjoy yourself, it will do wonders for your mental health.
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Post by finsup on Sept 9, 2021 18:01:26 GMT
Update in OP!
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Post by maryannscraps on Sept 9, 2021 18:21:25 GMT
That's a great update. Good for you for asking -- now you can make an informed decision. And I'm super glad that your friend is protected.
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Post by MorningPerson on Sept 9, 2021 18:40:30 GMT
So glad to read your update. You handled that perfectly!
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Post by MichyM on Sept 9, 2021 18:45:47 GMT
I'm so glad you're able to go after all!
I am vacationing with 5 friends later this month. While we aren't sharing sleeping quarters, we are sharing bathrooms. I 100% would not go on a trip like this if everyone wasn't vaxxed.
Have a great time!
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Post by christine58 on Sept 9, 2021 18:50:22 GMT
And she replied that she’s had her shots! Hate to be a naysayer....are you sure she has??? Or is she just saying it?? Only saying this because I have a friend that has lied to others about being vaccinated.
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Post by finsup on Sept 9, 2021 21:40:44 GMT
And she replied that she’s had her shots! Hate to be a naysayer....are you sure she has??? Or is she just saying it?? Only saying this because I have a friend that has lied to others about being vaccinated. I don’t think so, because the only thing that would happen if she said she wasn’t is that I would bow out, not that she’d be disinvited. Also lying would be a very shitty thing to do, and she’s not a shitty person. (But if I die my husband will sue her haha.) I’m just so happy that she got vaccinated, because I really do love her and want her safe.
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Post by christine58 on Sept 9, 2021 21:44:47 GMT
Hate to be a naysayer....are you sure she has??? Or is she just saying it?? Only saying this because I have a friend that has lied to others about being vaccinated. I don’t think so, because the only thing that would happen if she said she wasn’t is that I would bow out, not that she’d be disinvited. Also lying would be a very shitty thing to do, and she’s not a shitty person. (But if I die my husband will sue her haha.) I’m just so happy that she got vaccinated, because I really do love her and want her safe. That’s good to know!
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Post by dewryce on Sept 9, 2021 21:53:10 GMT
And she replied that she’s had her shots! Hate to be a naysayer....are you sure she has??? Or is she just saying it?? Only saying this because I have a friend that has lied to others about being vaccinated.That’s disgusting. I had the same thought about trusting that she has if she was so vocal about not getting it before.
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Post by christine58 on Sept 9, 2021 23:21:41 GMT
Hate to be a naysayer....are you sure she has??? Or is she just saying it?? Only saying this because I have a friend that has lied to others about being vaccinated.That’s disgusting. I had the same thought about trusting that she has if she was so vocal about not getting it before. It is dewryce She thinks because she is a woman of God He will protect her and even if she dies it's ok. Don't get me started. I stay far away from her
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Post by kraft4fun on Sept 9, 2021 23:32:06 GMT
Niece is getting married in 6 weeks, we will not be attending. While we are vaxxed, she is not. Expecting 130+ and not asking who is/isn't and not suggesting masks either. Nope, I'll save the $$. When this mess is over we will go visit my daughter and new grandbaby that we haven't seen since she was born in June (trying to be safe) and will drive the extra 2 hours to meet for dinner one night. Step Daughter supposed to get married in 10 weeks, well her fiance has covid now for the 2nd time (was positive with it in December as well). Everyone invited has been vaxxed and keeping it small 30 family only. Her bosses back yard and reception is bbq at her MIL's backyard. Masks requested to stay safe. I'm on board with that.
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Post by drummergirl65 on Sept 9, 2021 23:32:40 GMT
She thinks because she is a woman of God He will protect her and even if she dies it's ok. I know plenty "women of God" who are fully vaccinated because it's the right thing to do. Love thy neighbour She sounds kinda nutty.Unfortunately my hippy dippy very well educated niece isn't getting the shot. She has the belief that good nutrition and sunshine will keep Covid away.
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Post by cade387 on Sept 9, 2021 23:41:31 GMT
Glad to hear your update but I’d still try to spend as much time outdoors as possible. I’d also be masking inside. But I guess it depends on your comfort level. I’d rather mask up there than have to segregate myself when I’m home away from my kids.
A friend of mine did a similar thing and they were all vaccinated. Three of them were positive within 4 days of being home. It obviously wasn’t malicious but still happened.
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Post by silverlining on Sept 10, 2021 0:39:44 GMT
So glad to your update! I've been mad on your behalf, thinking that you might have to miss out and that she would go.
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Post by silverlining on Sept 10, 2021 0:43:57 GMT
Hate to be a naysayer....are you sure she has??? Or is she just saying it?? Only saying this because I have a friend that has lied to others about being vaccinated. I don’t think so, because the only thing that would happen if she said she wasn’t is that I would bow out, not that she’d be disinvited. Also lying would be a very shitty thing to do, and she’s not a shitty person. (But if I die my husband will sue her haha.) I’m just so happy that she got vaccinated, because I really do love her and want her safe. I like your attitude! I have heard about people lying, but in the opposite direction. They were people who got the vaccine because they didn't want to be wrong about it, but not telling their super anti-vax friends or family members.
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Post by cycworker on Sept 10, 2021 1:33:09 GMT
I am glad to read your update. I hope you're correct that she's really had it done.
I am also struggling with how to address this problem. I have a friend who is not willing to get vaccinated. She keeps changing the reason why she isn't. The truth is, her DH is a doctor, but a more naturopathic type & he's kinda anti-vax. They do the human version of Ivermectin. I didn't know that initially. I think that's the real reason she 'can't' take the vaccine - she'd have to stop taking it. She's very defensive about the Ivermectin, too. The media is lying! It's safe & it's effective. She & hubby were upset that their adult daughters & sons in law got vaccinated, too.
Anyway.
Where I live, it's 55+ and most of the people are way above that. We all, except one, got vaccinated.
We are allowed to use our common room again, so I am allowed to start up our monthly craft nights. Technically, our building management is currently NOT requiring that visitors wear a mask. Still, because of the age of the folks here, I'm not comfortable with that. And actually, the others in the group aren't either, because some have kids under 12 who can't get vaccinated, and some are immune compromised. Some have both issues. So we are strongly leaning towards limiting it to only people who are vaccinated.
And I am REALLY concerned about how to tell her in a way that doesn't completely blow our relationship apart. I fear she will not react well. Either she'll be super defensive, in which case I'm likely to get my back up, or she'll cry. And I am terrible around crying. I tend to cave. And I can't cave.
The whole issue has slowly created more & more tension between us.
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Post by seaexplore on Sept 10, 2021 3:21:53 GMT
And she replied that she’s had her shots! Hate to be a naysayer....are you sure she has??? Or is she just saying it?? Only saying this because I have a friend that has lied to others about being vaccinated. Same thought.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Sept 10, 2021 4:01:57 GMT
Hate to be a naysayer....are you sure she has??? Or is she just saying it?? Only saying this because I have a friend that has lied to others about being vaccinated. Same thought. Same here. I don’t know anyone who was against getting the vax before who has since changed their mind so I would really question that. Especially if the person was anti-vax up until a month ago, since both of the two shot regimens have a waiting period of 3-4 weeks between shots plus another two weeks beyond the second dose before they would be considered fully vaxxed. ETA: These days I really don’t trust anyone to do the right thing anymore.
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Post by finaledition on Sept 10, 2021 5:04:10 GMT
Hate to be a naysayer....are you sure she has??? Or is she just saying it?? Only saying this because I have a friend that has lied to others about being vaccinated. Same thought. Agree. I have an acquaintance who is not vaccinated. I was told that when she is asked about her vaccination status she replies “I identify as vaccinated”. OMFG, I just can’t with that.
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Post by KiwiJo on Sept 10, 2021 5:14:11 GMT
Gosh, this thread is fascinating to me.
So many of you saying you won’t go to indoor events etc even if everyone is vaccinated, or you won’t go if you don’t know the others’ vax status.
How long do you anticipate doing this? I think one person above said something about “until this thing is over” - do you expect it to ever be over?
We hear people talking about the possibility of having a Covid jab every year, just as we can have a flu jab every year - at what point will you stop taking the special Covid precautions as spoken of in this thread, or do you think you will continue like this from now on?
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Post by christine58 on Sept 10, 2021 11:33:33 GMT
Gosh, this thread is fascinating to me. So many of you saying you won’t go to indoor events etc even if everyone is vaccinated, or you won’t go if you don’t know the others’ vax status. How long do you anticipate doing this? I think one person above said something about “until this thing is over” - do you expect it to ever be over? We hear people talking about the possibility of having a Covid jab every year, just as we can have a flu jab every year - at what point will you stop taking the special Covid precautions as spoken of in this thread, or do you think you will continue like this from now on? Covid is here for the long haul just like the flu. I have no problem getting a Covid booster every year just like I do with the flu. I am headed to a scrapbooking weekend in about 2 weeks. I am sure that at least one of the twenty people going is not vaccinated. Do I wish she was, yes, but that won’t keep me away. I have said since the beginning that I can only protect myself and I will continue to do that—- wearing a mask when in a huge crowd, keeping my hands washed/sanitized, following social distancing and betting that booster when I can.
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Post by compeateropeator on Sept 10, 2021 13:31:18 GMT
Gosh, this thread is fascinating to me. So many of you saying you won’t go to indoor events etc even if everyone is vaccinated, or you won’t go if you don’t know the others’ vax status. How long do you anticipate doing this? I think one person above said something about “until this thing is over” - do you expect it to ever be over? We hear people talking about the possibility of having a Covid jab every year, just as we can have a flu jab every year - at what point will you stop taking the special Covid precautions as spoken of in this thread, or do you think you will continue like this from now on? In my case…being extremely careful, taking precautions, and avoiding large groups of tightly packed people (vaccinated and not) will continue until those 12 and under can get the vaccinations. I do know that it will never be really over, but until my 11 year old type 1 diabetic niece (and all kids 12 and under) is eligible and can get it, I will take every and all possible precautions to keep her as safe as possible. Once she can get vaccinated I will give a huge sigh of relief and will feel more comfortable and will likely loosen up a bit depending on what is going on .
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Post by compeateropeator on Sept 10, 2021 13:51:00 GMT
I do not disagree with this and this is true if you are only trying to protect yourself. However if you are still helping with your niece’s daycare (?) at times (for example) I hope you are also thinking about keeping those kids as safe as possible until they are eligible to get vaccinations. For me it is not just about myself at this point, but those 12 and under also. Once they can also have the same protections as myself I will feel better.
ETA - sorry Christine58, I just reread and wanted to add this is more of a general post of not letting our guards down until we can give our young people some protection. I believe/understand that you are following safe practices and Hope my post doesn’t sound critical, because it is not.
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Post by finsup on Sept 10, 2021 14:35:25 GMT
Gosh, this thread is fascinating to me. So many of you saying you won’t go to indoor events etc even if everyone is vaccinated, or you won’t go if you don’t know the others’ vax status. How long do you anticipate doing this? I think one person above said something about “until this thing is over” - do you expect it to ever be over? We hear people talking about the possibility of having a Covid jab every year, just as we can have a flu jab every year - at what point will you stop taking the special Covid precautions as spoken of in this thread, or do you think you will continue like this from now on? I think we’ll continue to have to weigh the risks and benefits for our activities based on the current situation. Right now I’ve returned to being more cautious than I was in late spring/early summer because we’re in a surge in my state, ICU beds are not critically low yet but are on their way, and hospitals have starting delaying non-emergency procedures. again.
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Post by finsup on Sept 10, 2021 14:46:48 GMT
Same here. I don’t know anyone who was against getting the vax before who has since changed their mind so I would really question that. Especially if the person was anti-vax up until a month ago, since both of the two shot regimens have a waiting period of 3-4 weeks between shots plus another two weeks beyond the second dose before they would be considered fully vaxxed. ETA: These days I really don’t trust anyone to do the right thing anymore. To be fair, I didn’t know her stance a month ago. The last I knew for sure was in early May, when she stayed away from our first in-person meeting because she wasn’t vaccinated and wasn’t sure if people would care. I voiced then that I *did* care, but several others didn’t. The next meeting we had she was there but I couldn’t go anyway. I just assumed she hadn’t changed her stance and that she attended because nobody else cared. But the problem is that I assumed instead of asking. It seems she’s changed her mind and got the shots. I don’t think she was strongly anti-vax but her daughter was pressuring her. (BTW her daughter is now either going to have to shut up and get the shot or lose her job with our state mandate for health care workers.) And I generally agree that I don’t trust people to do the right thing, but I do trust her. She’s always been a kind and considerate friend. I was making too many assumptions.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 10, 2021 19:37:44 GMT
Gosh, this thread is fascinating to me. So many of you saying you won’t go to indoor events etc even if everyone is vaccinated, or you won’t go if you don’t know the others’ vax status. How long do you anticipate doing this? I think one person above said something about “until this thing is over” - do you expect it to ever be over? We hear people talking about the possibility of having a Covid jab every year, just as we can have a flu jab every year - at what point will you stop taking the special Covid precautions as spoken of in this thread, or do you think you will continue like this from now on? Keep in mind that COVID is raging over here right now and our hospitals are bursting at the seams and some have run out of oxygen, some have had to make treatment decisions (who gets what) due to lack of resources. And tons are right on the precipice of having to make these decisions. Our doctors and nurses are being run into the ground. Eta: ICU beds are critically low in my state (Texas) both in the regular and children’s hospitals. I’ve had 2 family members in the last month not able to get a hospital bed from the ER, one for 48 hours and then he was just sent home before he could even get out of bed on his own nor was he completely lucid; the other (my 95 year old granddad) had to wait 2 or 3 days to be admitted to the hospital. Days he spent in a very overcrowded ER with a curtain and about 8 feet between his bed and the people to either side of him. Add in children not having the ability to be vaccinated and I don’t think now is the time to stop being extremely cautious. We must relieve the pressure on our hospitals.
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