pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Sept 19, 2021 17:21:55 GMT
Texas peas, does he have a chance in hell to win?
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Post by freecharlie on Sept 19, 2021 17:32:41 GMT
I doubt he'll win, but at least they will try
The Lincoln Project was supposed to air an ad during the football game last night, but it got pulled right before the game started. Ugh.
I think this may be the ad, but I'm not sure. Anybody know?
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Post by lucyg on Sept 19, 2021 17:45:12 GMT
I’d love to see him run. I have no idea whether he’d actually make a good governor, but my yardstick is, he couldn’t be worse than Abbott. And he’s well-known and popular, so that helps. freecharlie, why did the ad get pulled?
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Post by pinklady on Sept 19, 2021 17:49:32 GMT
I’d love to see him run. I have no idea whether he’d actually make a good governor, but my yardstick is, he couldn’t be worse than Abbott. And he’s well-known and popular, so that helps. freecharlie , why did the ad get pulled?
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Post by lucyg on Sept 19, 2021 17:53:51 GMT
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Post by Merge on Sept 19, 2021 17:54:31 GMT
IDK, he came within a few points of beating Ted Cruz in 2018, so it’s possible. People are mad. But he also has said some stuff about guns that the GOP will run over and over again to mobilize their base. So IDK.
I’d rather see Juliàn or Joaquin Castro, but my guess is that Beto made this announcement after receiving confirmation that neither of them would be running.
I think he’d be more likely to win if the far right manages to successfully primary Abbott and put up one of their whack jobs. A lot of Texans will vote for Abbott just because he’s the devil they know.
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Post by Jennifer C on Sept 19, 2021 17:56:27 GMT
I campaigned for Beto in my area when he ran against Ted Cruz. I really, really thought he would win just talking to people. And I know that he scared the crap out of Ted. It was close.
Abbott is kissing a certain group of people ass and doing everything he thinks will get him re elected.
The thing that bothers me is the Hispanic community. I'm of Mexican decent. I'm surprised that many of my contemporaries went crazy for Trump and the Republican party.
This worries me.
Jennifer Watkins
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Post by myshelly on Sept 19, 2021 17:58:30 GMT
No, I don’t think he can win.
Abbott has pissed off his own party because they think he did too much when it came to Covid restrictions. They are mad that he did a shut down, that it was too long, and that we briefly had capacity limits. Ted Cruz was recently booed at a Republican event when he said he would endorse Abbott for governor. He then had to try to talk the room down by saying it would be disrespectful for him not to stand the party line after Abbott endorsed him in the senate race.
I think there’s a good chance Abbott might be primaried out of the race by his own party.
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Post by Jennifer C on Sept 19, 2021 17:59:42 GMT
IDK, he came within a few points of beating Ted Cruz in 2018, so it’s possible. People are mad. But he also has said some stuff about guns that the GOP will run over and over again to mobilize their base. So IDK. I’d rather see Juliàn or Joaquin Castro, but my guess is that Beto made this announcement after receiving confirmation that neither of them would be running. I think he’d be more likely to win of the far right manages to successfully primary Abbott and put up one of their whack jobs. A lot of Texans will vote for Abbott just because he’s the devil they know. My brother lives in San Antonio and these two have been on his radar for a while. He likes them and what they stand for. He does seem to lean more towards Julian over Beto for Govenor. Jennifer
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Post by nlwilkins on Sept 19, 2021 18:18:46 GMT
I don't think Beto can win in Texas and I hate to see him try and become branded as a wanna be. In the "Eyes of Texas" there are too many strikes against him. Losing against Cruz was a big blow to his career IMHO
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Post by pinklady on Sept 19, 2021 18:26:33 GMT
I’d rather see Juliàn or Joaquin Castro, but my guess is that Beto made this announcement after receiving confirmation that neither of them would be running. YES! I’d love for either of them to run.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 19, 2021 18:48:04 GMT
Love him, would be happy to see him run & win. I don't live in Texas, so I don't know what his chances are. But, I'm guessing Abbott is losing support from both sides - liberals for the abortion bill, the grid crisis etc. And the far right thinks he did too much with Covid. His poll numbers are declining across the board. But, Americans have short attention spans so a lot could happen before the election. texaspolitics.utexas.edu/set/greg-abbott-job-approval-trend
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Post by Merge on Sept 19, 2021 18:53:04 GMT
Love him, would be happy to see him run & win. I don't live in Texas, so I don't know what his chances are. But, I'm guessing Abbott is losing support from both sides - liberals for the abortion bill, the grid crisis etc. And the far right thinks he did too much with Covid. His poll numbers are declining across the board. But, Americans have short attention spans so a lot could happen before the election. texaspolitics.utexas.edu/set/greg-abbott-job-approval-trendYes, that’s exactly it. Goodness only knows what will be happening by November of 2022. And someone else may yet throw his/her hat in the ring. Beto is really good at organizing and should be the state Democratic party leader, not our gubernatorial candidate.
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Post by lucyg on Sept 19, 2021 18:55:27 GMT
Love him, would be happy to see him run & win. I don't live in Texas, so I don't know what his chances are. But, I'm guessing Abbott is losing support from both sides - liberals for the abortion bill, the grid crisis etc. And the far right thinks he did too much with Covid. His poll numbers are declining across the board. But, Americans have short attention spans so a lot could happen before the election. texaspolitics.utexas.edu/set/greg-abbott-job-approval-trendYes, that’s exactly it. Goodness only knows what will be happening by November of 2022. And someone else may yet throw his/her hat in the ring. Beto is really good at organizing and should be the state Democratic party leader, not our gubernatorial candidate. See, that’s the kind of fine point that I’m not familiar with, so I shouldn’t even be expressing an opinion. You guys find the one with the best shot at kicking Abbott (or ??) to the curb, and I will be here cheering you on.
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Post by Merge on Sept 19, 2021 19:09:21 GMT
Yes, that’s exactly it. Goodness only knows what will be happening by November of 2022. And someone else may yet throw his/her hat in the ring. Beto is really good at organizing and should be the state Democratic party leader, not our gubernatorial candidate. See, that’s the kind of fine point that I’m not familiar with, so I shouldn’t even be expressing an opinion. You guys find the one with the best shot at kicking Abbott (or ??) to the curb, and I will be here cheering you on. I wish I had a good answer for you. Our Democratic bench is not deep, in part because we’ve been ignored by national Democrats for so long. My fear is that the national party has told Texas they’re not willing to put time/funding into this race, and Beto is the only one who can largely self fund and has the contacts and organization in place to fundraise more than most Democrats here. None of which will match the fundraising machine that is the Texas GOP, though. IMO the best thing that could happen would be for multiple large companies to tell Abbott they’re pulling out of the state if the abortion and voting bills stay in place. And they should definitely not be giving any money to his campaign.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Sept 19, 2021 19:19:26 GMT
None of which will match the fundraising machine that is the Texas GOP, though. IMO the best thing that could happen would be for multiple large companies to tell Abbott they’re pulling out of the state if the abortion and voting bills stay in place. And they should definitely not be giving any money to his campaign. That may be the best outcome. One can only hope that is what happens. It's time we see someone new on the Rep. ticket.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 20:23:49 GMT
Texas conservatives are not happy with the trifecta in Austin (Abbott/Patrick/Paxton) but Beto is too far left for many. If you could get a moderate Democrat like Ann Richards on the ticket they would definitely win.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 20:35:08 GMT
I campaigned for Beto in my area when he ran against Ted Cruz. I really, really thought he would win just talking to people. And I know that he scared the crap out of Ted. It was close. Abbott is kissing a certain group of people ass and doing everything he thinks will get him re elected. The thing that bothers me is the Hispanic community. I'm of Mexican decent. I'm surprised that many of my contemporaries went crazy for Trump and the Republican party. This worries me. Jennifer Watkins Because the right used the dirty S word - socialism.
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Post by papersilly on Sept 19, 2021 20:38:46 GMT
I don't know if he'll win but I'm sure he'll give it all he has got. If anything, he will highlight the issues Abbott needs to face or address.
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Post by mom on Sept 19, 2021 20:42:34 GMT
I don't think he will win. But I don't think Abbott will be reelected either.
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Post by quinlove on Sept 19, 2021 20:45:44 GMT
I Hate Abbott
I’ll risk my old, lib ass to go door to door campaigning for any Democratic gov candidate.
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Post by Merge on Sept 19, 2021 20:50:55 GMT
Texas conservatives are not happy with the trifecta in Austin (Abbott/Patrick/Paxton) but Beto is too far left for many. If you could get a moderate Democrat like Ann Richards on the ticket they would definitely win. Technically any Democrat in Texas right now *is* a moderate. We’re only “socialists” because the GOP stuck that label on us and their voters believe what they’re told. (Ann Richards was in favor of women’s rights and protecting Roe, and opposed to concealed carry. How “moderate” would you consider her in 2022?)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 20:54:14 GMT
I campaigned for Beto in my area when he ran against Ted Cruz. I really, really thought he would win just talking to people. And I know that he scared the crap out of Ted. It was close. Abbott is kissing a certain group of people ass and doing everything he thinks will get him re elected. The thing that bothers me is the Hispanic community. I'm of Mexican decent. I'm surprised that many of my contemporaries went crazy for Trump and the Republican party. This worries me. Jennifer Watkins Because the right used the dirty S word - socialism. 1,000 % this!!!!! I have a very close friend here in Morocco who is from Colombia. We never ever talk politics, so it surprised me during the Trump years some of the things she said. She has a deep dislike for Cubans (Castro) in particular and some of the groups in her home country. She specifically mentioned "socialism" when talking about these groups. Even if I thought she was way off the mark in some things she was saying...that is definitely a trigger word for her.
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Post by Merge on Sept 19, 2021 21:00:11 GMT
Because the right used the dirty S word - socialism. 1,000 % this!!!!! I have a very close friend here in Morocco who is from Colombia. We never ever talk politics, so it surprised me during the Trump years some of the things she said. She has a deep dislike for Cubans (Castro) in particular and some of the groups in her home country. She specifically mentioned "socialism" when talking about these groups. Even if I thought she was way off the mark in some things she was saying...that is definitely a trigger word for her. I can’t tell you how much it infuriates me that so many people, regardless of race or ethnic background, are unable to “do their research” and figure what socialism is and isn’t. Unlike Covid treatments, socialism is something you can actually research online. Of course, if the only place you “research” is YouTube and Twitter, you’ll likely end up with the same false information that you got about Covid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 21:17:28 GMT
Texas conservatives are not happy with the trifecta in Austin (Abbott/Patrick/Paxton) but Beto is too far left for many. If you could get a moderate Democrat like Ann Richards on the ticket they would definitely win. Technically any Democrat in Texas right now *is* a moderate. We’re only “socialists” because the GOP stuck that label on us and their voters believe what they’re told. (Ann Richards was in favor of women’s rights and protecting Roe, and opposed to concealed carry. How “moderate” would you consider her in 2022?) No @merge, not every democrat is a moderate. There are many at the county and local levels who run at the far-left extreme and has nothing to do with any label the GOP has put on them. I really liked Ann Richards. I thought she was a great person when I met her and I always admired her ability to work with others during contentious issues. My family and I always kept up with her after her time in the governor's office. I do favor women's rights. I do favor Roe V Wade. I am not opposed to concealed carry as long as the person is licensed and has annual training. I'm not a fan of open carry. I never said you were a socialist. I'm not sure where that is coming from or why that is being thrown into the mix.
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Post by Merge on Sept 19, 2021 22:18:17 GMT
Technically any Democrat in Texas right now *is* a moderate. We’re only “socialists” because the GOP stuck that label on us and their voters believe what they’re told. (Ann Richards was in favor of women’s rights and protecting Roe, and opposed to concealed carry. How “moderate” would you consider her in 2022?) No @merge, not every democrat is a moderate. There are a few at the county and local levels who run at the far-left extreme and has nothing to do with any label the GOP has put on them. I really liked Ann Richards. I thought she was a great person when I met her and I always admired her ability to work with others during contentious issues. My family and I always kept up with her after her time in the governor's office. I do favor women's rights. I do favor Roe V Wade. I am not opposed to concealed carry as long as the person is licensed and has annual training. I'm not a fan of open carry. I never said you were a socialist. I'm not sure where that is coming from or why that is being thrown into the mix. Excuse me - any Democrat in Texas who is in major office (statewide or US House, major city mayors/judges) is a moderate. I can't speak for every county commissioner in Travis county or what have you. But the point is that what is considered "moderate" has changed substantially. However much you admired Ann Richards, the current GOP would paint her as a baby-killing, gun-hating socialist before you could say go. In what specific ways do you feel that Beto is so much further to the left than she was? You said that someone like Ann Richards could get elected, but not someone like Beto, so I'm curious which specific policy positions make him not moderate enough.
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Post by librarylady on Sept 19, 2021 22:22:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 22:41:48 GMT
Ann Richards had the personality. Beto is like a wet-rag. They may stand for the same policies but they do not appeal to voters in the same way. Not everyone votes based on policies - at least those that take the time and effort to actually go out and vote.
Also, it takes more than a major office holder to run the state so I stand by my earlier statement that not every democrat in Texas is a moderate.
As to write out my policy beliefs - I don't want to fight today and I'm not interested in telling the political peas on this board anything about my personal beliefs other than what I have shared above. I guarantee in typical fashion it will be thrown back in my face - just like will probably be accused of something else because I'm not going to answer your question the way you want. Look at the tone being used now. Your question is baiting and I'm not biting today.
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 19, 2021 22:44:52 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 19, 2021 22:49:14 GMT
Ann Richards had the personality. Beto is like a wet-rag. They may stand for the same policies but they do not appeal to voters in the same way. Not everyone votes based on policies - at least those that take the time and effort to actually go out and vote. I would disagree with this. I'm not a Texas voter, so my opinion may not matter, but I really like Beto. I think he has a lot of charisma and charm. Just this year, he helped people during the electric grid crisis and raised money for the Democrats when they fled the state. Honestly, I have no idea who Ann Richards is, but has Texas ever had a female governor? From an outside perspective, the state doesn't seem likely to elect one today. eta - My apologies, I looked up Ann Richards and she was governor in the early 90's. And there was a female governor in the 1870's. library.austintexas.gov/ahc/ann-richards I would argue that the political climate today is way more divisive (former is partly responsible) than in the 1990's. I think politicians were much more likely to work together back then. I'm not sure a politician from then could win today. library.austintexas.gov/ahc/ann-richards
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