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Post by supersoda on Sept 19, 2021 22:51:58 GMT
It's a long shot but I think Beto is the best chance we've got at getting a Democrat in the governor's seat.
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Post by Merge on Sept 19, 2021 22:56:45 GMT
Ann Richards had the personality. Beto is like a wet-rag. They may stand for the same policies but they do not appeal to voters in the same way. Not everyone votes based on policies - at least those that take the time and effort to actually go out and vote. Also, it takes more than a major office holder to run the state so I stand by my earlier statement that not every democrat in Texas is a moderate. As to write out my policy beliefs - I don't want to fight today and I'm not interested in telling the political peas on this board anything about my personal beliefs other than what I have shared above. I guarantee in typical fashion it will be thrown back in my face - just like will probably be accused of something else because I'm not going to answer your question the way you want. Look at the tone being used now. Your question is baiting and I'm not biting today. I'm sorry you feel that way. I was responding to your declaration that people feel Beto is too far left, but Ann Richards would have been OK. I'm honestly interested in knowing which specific policy positions put him too far left in comparison to Richards, because I'm not seeing it. If you see that as baiting, I don't know what to tell you. It's a fact that the GOP has attempted to paint anyone to the left of Trump as a "socialist," without any facts or evidence. It's a perception among those on the left that GOP voters have parroted this label (and the euphemism "too far left") without being able to articulate any specific policy positions to back up their opinion. I chose to give you the benefit of the doubt and asked you to further articulate your opinions, in case that perception might be wrong in this case. I don't believe I've accused you of anything or thrown anything back in your face. You made a statement about Beto being too far left compared to Ann Richards, and when I asked you for specifics, you fell back on a subjective comments about his personality. You're certainly entitled to think whatever you want about his personality, but please don't accuse me of baiting you or wanting to throw something back in your face, when all I did was take your original statement at face value and ask for clarification.
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Post by Merge on Sept 19, 2021 23:00:31 GMT
Ann Richards had the personality. Beto is like a wet-rag. They may stand for the same policies but they do not appeal to voters in the same way. Not everyone votes based on policies - at least those that take the time and effort to actually go out and vote. I would disagree with this. I'm not a Texas voter, so my opinion may not matter, but I really like Beto. I think he has a lot of charisma and charm. Just this year, he helped people during the electric grid crisis and raised money for the Democrats when they fled the state. Honestly, I have no idea who Ann Richards is, but has Texas ever had a female governor? From an outside perspective, the state doesn't seem likely to elect one. Ann Richards was governor of Texas from 1991-95. She lost to GW Bush in 1994 primarily because of her opposition to a concealed carry bill (if I'm reading history correctly - someone can feel free to correct me). I did not live in Texas at that time. Beto is incredibly magnetic and energetic in person. I'd say that no one has worked harder to improve the lives of Texans, including any of our elected leaders. But he's also extremely idealistic and perhaps shows too much of his thought process to be a successful politician.
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Post by Merge on Sept 19, 2021 23:03:44 GMT
I think you mean that the GOP has moved faaarrrr right, and we haven't followed them, leaving center-left candidates to be called far-left or progressive by comparison.
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Post by Merge on Sept 19, 2021 23:20:33 GMT
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Post by aj2hall on Sept 19, 2021 23:30:27 GMT
Democrats need to a much better job of getting their message out there. Lately, many of them have allowed Republicans and Fox News to label and define them as socialist, communist, Marxist etc. I don't understand why there's not more push back on that.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 19, 2021 23:49:31 GMT
Democrats need to a much better job of getting their message out there. Lately, many of them have allowed Republicans and Fox News to label and define them as socialist, communist, Marxist etc. I don't understand why there's not more push back on that. The Lincoln Project needs to get Mandy Patinkin in an a couple of ads, one for socialism and one for communism. ”“You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” -Inigo Montoya
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Post by Merge on Sept 20, 2021 2:18:13 GMT
Democrats need to a much better job of getting their message out there. Lately, many of them have allowed Republicans and Fox News to label and define them as socialist, communist, Marxist etc. I don't understand why there's not more push back on that. How do you propose we stop them? Lol. They’ve taught all their followers that anything we say or the MSM says is “fake news.” I think Beto had the right idea in 2018, going out and talking directly to people and listening to their concerns.
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Post by dewryce on Sept 20, 2021 2:44:03 GMT
Democrats need to a much better job of getting their message out there. Lately, many of them have allowed Republicans and Fox News to label and define them as socialist, communist, Marxist etc. I don't understand why there's not more push back on that. How do you propose we stop them? Lol. They’ve taught all their followers that anything we say or the MSM says is “fake news.” I think Beto had the right idea in 2018, going out and talking directly to people and listening to their concerns. Yeah, I think his town halls, or whatever he called them, were wonderful. They broadcast a lot of them on Facebook and I just really appreciated the way he answered so many questions. Sure, he talked around some of them, but for the most part was really direct. And compassionate. Man, that was really refreshing. And I could tell when he stayed to talk to people (he could stay longer earlier on IIRC) he really did connect with them even more.
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Post by withapea on Sept 20, 2021 15:24:49 GMT
I was hoping Joaquin Castro was going to toss his hat in. I like Beto a lot and he has been relentless in doing the work. A lot of people will run who have never really done any service and that is not him. He has some baggage but he’s also one of the few Dems that has name recognition and a chance to compete. I cannot stress enough how neglected Texas has been by the Democratic Party so it’s even more difficult to run. I think Abbott is sitting on 58 million right now and all the rightiest right wingers and Koch types are going to be throwing cash at him. It will be a battle no matter what. If you’re concerned about the state of TX I implore you to get involved and support not only the Gov race but the most local races as well, that’s where it really matters.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2021 15:42:32 GMT
I think Beto would be the absolute best thing for Texas right now. Unfortunately, we are full of self righteous, gun toting, ignorant idiots that prefer self sabotage over progress.
I don't see Abbott losing his job. He has too much money and power backing him. If there is *any* chance of someone else becoming Governor it would have to be a complete moderate. We almost turned Texas blue, so it's not impossible, just extremely difficult in this current environment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 12:26:11 GMT
1,000 % this!!!!! I have a very close friend here in Morocco who is from Colombia. We never ever talk politics, so it surprised me during the Trump years some of the things she said. She has a deep dislike for Cubans (Castro) in particular and some of the groups in her home country. She specifically mentioned "socialism" when talking about these groups. Even if I thought she was way off the mark in some things she was saying...that is definitely a trigger word for her. I can’t tell you how much it infuriates me that so many people, regardless of race or ethnic background, are unable to “do their research” and figure what socialism is and isn’t. Unlike Covid treatments, socialism is something you can actually research online. Of course, if the only place you “research” is YouTube and Twitter, you’ll likely end up with the same false information that you got about Covid. I swear I am right there with you. Her views caught me off guard because she had not mentioned any of that before. She is really a good friend and we never have much occasion to talk politics before or since...but trying to show/tell her the actuality would be a lost cause.
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