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Post by lisae on Nov 16, 2021 20:43:24 GMT
people you do business with? I am referring specifically to stylists, aestheticians, massage therapist, etc. where there will close contact for a extended period of time. At this point I refuse to be treated by someone who hasn't been vaccinated.
I've had mixed results in asking. My longtime stylist just told me straight out that she wasn't vaccinated and after a conversation it sounded like she was never going to. I switched stylists in September. The salon I called was reluctant at first but the person I talked to told me who I should see there if I wanted someone who had been vaccinated. It's been a very good move so far.
When I wanted a massage a couple of months ago, the person answering the phone thought the masseuse I requested was vaccinated and went to check. He not only was, but offered to show me his vaccine card as proof.
Lastly, I wanted to get a facial. It has been years and the aesthetician I used before has retired. When I asked about vaccination status they refused claiming it has a Hipaa violation for them to give out this information. I was transferred to a supervisor and I countered that it was a common question these days. I had to show my vaccine card to attend a performance a few weeks ago in Charlotte. I told her that she needed to be more concerned about her client's health and safety than her employees' privacy. I will not be getting a facial there.
DH has asked customers he calls on and people have asked him about status since he is going to be in their homes often for a few hours at a time though no close contact is required. He has had no issues getting confirmation from customers and of course he tells people he has been vaccinated and now even has his booster.
Have you asked this question? What kind of responses are you getting?
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Post by birukitty on Nov 16, 2021 21:02:37 GMT
I completely understand and agree with your decision about refusing to be treated by someone who is not vaccinated. I don't get massages anymore (I miss them) because of cost, nor do I see aestheticians. I haven't gotten my hair cut by my usual stylists since the pandemic started. I've cut my own hair with DH's help to cut the back twice now and I was surprised by how easy it was. My hair is shoulder length and wavy. I think having wavy hair makes it easier because it's not so noticeable if it's not exactly straight.
At this point I think I'll continue to cut my own hair for the foreseeable future until things get a lot better. I save about $100.00 each time I cut my own hair (I was seeing a curly hair specialist). It feels great to be able to do that! I'm not working so I don't need to look professional.
But I do agree with you 100%! The only person I see close up for any kind of treatment is my P.A. at my neurologist's office who gives me what's called a nerve block every few months. It's 12 injections of Lidocaine in the face and the back of the neck. She wears a mask and a face shield and I'm very sure she is vaccinated working in a doctor's office. She's practically a doctor herself. I'd be embarrassed to ask her if she's vaccinated. I'll be seeing her on Thursday for another nerve block. She's turned out to be the best health care provider I've ever seen in my 41 years of having migraines.
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Post by QueenoftheSloths on Nov 16, 2021 21:23:38 GMT
Semi related story:
I saw a new doctor, actually a PA. The very next day in my local paper there was a story about the school board meeting and my new PA had spoken at the meeting, saying how happy she was that the school board didn't mandate masks because families should get to decide that for themselves and masks don't work anyway.
There should be a form to fill out when making the appointment because if I had been asked, I certainly wouldn't have opted to be seen by a wacko.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 16, 2021 21:31:13 GMT
I think it's a tricky situation and a new Covid dilemma. I understand where you're coming from, but I personally would not be comfortable asking. I know some parents at my school have asked the vaccination status of teachers. Clearly, the school can't disclose that. My immediate family and I are all fully vaccinated and if asked directly, I have no trouble answering. But, I would object if my school, an employer or a 3rd party answered for me. To me, that seems like a violation of privacy. HIPAA might be limited just to medical providers.
eta - The way I read this, asking a salon, massage therapist office etc about the vaccination status is not a privacy violation. However, it still makes me uncomfortable and I would not ask.
eta -https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/privacy/guidance/hipaa-covid-19-vaccination-workplace/index.html
Additional examples. The Privacy Rule does not apply when an individual:
Is asked about their vaccination status by a school,9 employer, store, restaurant, entertainment venue, or another individual.
Asks another individual, their doctor, or a service provider whether they are vaccinated.
Asks a company, such as a home health agency, whether its workforce members are vaccinated.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2021 21:44:26 GMT
No, I will not be asking. I got my vaccine and wear my mask so I can be free of some of these worries. Because I believe in medical freedom, I don’t think it’s my place to ask total strangers about their health decisions. I don’t see any of the care providers you suggested except for getting an occasional haircut, but if I did, I think I’d be skipping those services if I was that concerned.
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Post by katlady on Nov 16, 2021 21:49:08 GMT
I do not ask people. I take my own precautions and go with that. I don’t get facials or massages, so I don’t need to worry about that. I don’t even ask friends. The topic comes up once in awhile in conversations and I can some times figure out who is and who isn’t vaccinated. If I am asked, I have no problems telling them I am.
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Post by aprilfay21 on Nov 16, 2021 21:55:07 GMT
While I understand your position, it absolutely is not anyone's place to give out vaccination status of another person, without that person's explicit consent.
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Post by paigepea on Nov 16, 2021 21:57:47 GMT
Yes I have asked this question.
The salon I go to requires vaccine for entry so it’s not an issue.
I’ve asked both of my girls’s tutors because they enter our home, I’ve asked our cleaner, our dog behaviouralist (because we met in our yard). I asked the dog sitter who would be staying in my house when I’m not here. I haven’t asked my massage therapist but the place I go I know they’re all done because they talk about it, although them saying it isn’t a guarantee. But we both still wear masks in the room. I’ve asked my girls’s dance teachers but since then the gov’t has mandated all teachers of kids programs.
I’m more stressed about someone coming into my home but know that my hair stylist and massage therapist are done just through conversations. I don’t know what I’d do if they weren’t done. (Ie: change where I go? I don’t know).
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Post by iluvpink on Nov 16, 2021 22:04:53 GMT
No. I am strongly for vaccinations and precautions. But I am not comfortable asking those questions. While I may disagree and wish vaccinations were mandated for all except those with allergies to the vaccine ingredients, people currently have the right to not get vaccinated (depending on their job) so I just take my precautions.
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Post by lisae on Nov 16, 2021 22:15:40 GMT
I’m more stressed about someone coming into my home but know that my hair stylist and massage therapist are done just through conversations. I don’t know what I’d do if they weren’t done. (Ie: change where I go? I don’t know). I really struggled with leaving my hair stylist. She was my customer when I was in business so I was in her home many times. We've known each other for 19 years but after our last conversation where she told me she wasn't the least bit concerned about Covid, that I just could not continue to see her. It wasn't just the risk but the money. I wanted to start having color done again, I'd done it entirely on my own the last year and a half. That takes more time and costs considerably more. Do I want to give my money to someone who is part of the problem with the pandemic and not part of the solution? |
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Post by papersilly on Nov 16, 2021 22:26:33 GMT
my stylist had her card taped to her mirror so i'm sure about her. i guess everyone else is on the honor system.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Nov 16, 2021 22:30:43 GMT
At this point I am assuming people are unvaccinated unless they say otherwise. I know my colorist is. She has young children snd I know she is thrilled that they can now be vaccinated. I have gone to her for 18 years so we have talked about it snd she posted on FB when she and her husband got vaccinated.
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Post by AussieMeg on Nov 16, 2021 22:31:43 GMT
I understand you not wanting to be treated by anyone who may not be vaccinated. It imagine it could be really awkward having to ask.
Luckily for me, you have to be fully vaccinated here to go to the hairdresser, massage therapist etc, and the hairdressers and massage therapists etc must be fully vaccinated as well. I went to the hairdresser on Saturday and I had to show my digital vaccination certificate at the front door.
I know of several cafes and restaurants around here that have not been able to open up yet after our lockdown ended a couple of weeks ago, because they don't have enough workers who are fully vaccinated. One guy owns two cafes. He moved all of his vaccinated workers to one of the cafes, and the other one is doing takeaway only until all of the employees are vaccinated.
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Post by maryland on Nov 16, 2021 22:40:11 GMT
The hair stylist I used is vaccinated and getting her booster. My husband stopped going to the place he has been going to for years after they didn't wear mask or practice covid safety. He switched to my hair stylist.
I wouldn't go to someone not vaccinated, especially since we are in close contact.
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Post by voltagain on Nov 16, 2021 23:14:15 GMT
people you do business with? I am referring specifically to stylists, aestheticians, massage therapist, etc. where there will close contact for a extended period of time. At this point I refuse to be treated by someone who hasn't been vaccinated. I've had mixed results in asking. My longtime stylist just told me straight out that she wasn't vaccinated and after a conversation it sounded like she was never going to. I switched stylists in September. The salon I called was reluctant at first but the person I talked to told me who I should see there if I wanted someone who had been vaccinated. It's been a very good move so far. When I wanted a massage a couple of months ago, the person answering the phone thought the masseuse I requested was vaccinated and went to check. He not only was, but offered to show me his vaccine card as proof. Lastly, I wanted to get a facial. It has been years and the aesthetician I used before has retired. When I asked about vaccination status they refused claiming it has a Hipaa violation for them to give out this information. I was transferred to a supervisor and I countered that it was a common question these days. I had to show my vaccine card to attend a performance a few weeks ago in Charlotte. I told her that she needed to be more concerned about her client's health and safety than her employees' privacy. I will not be getting a facial there. DH has asked customers he calls on and people have asked him about status since he is going to be in their homes often for a few hours at a time though no close contact is required. He has had no issues getting confirmation from customers and of course he tells people he has been vaccinated and now even has his booster. Have you asked this question? What kind of responses are you getting? There is no HIPAA violation for giving out your own information. HIPAA only applies to people who work in medicine to not give out patient information they have access to. Privacy laws in the Equal Employment Opportunity and Americans with Disabilities Act prevent employers (and other employees) from giving out vaccination status of their employees/co-workers but those laws are not HIPAA. A person can tell anyone they want their vaccination status. Some who tells me they can't tell me due to HIPAA in my opinion is saying they are not vaccinated but don't want to straight out say they are not. I would be avoiding them forever. eta: I am just now wanting to get a haircut but haven't ventured into the quagmire just yet. |
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Post by dewryce on Nov 16, 2021 23:24:42 GMT
If I were getting those services at this time, I would definitely call and ask. But I wouldn’t ask the business, as I agree that it is not their place to disclose that information unless it is a company policy or they have been given explicit permission from the employee to do so; I would directly ask the person providing the servIce. The way I see it, people do have the right not to get vaccinated and I have the right not to give them my business.
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Post by lisae on Nov 16, 2021 23:26:42 GMT
There is no HIPAA violation for giving out your own information. HIPAA only applies to people who work in medicine to not give out patient information they have access to. Privacy laws in the Equal Employment Opportunity and Americans with Disabilities Act prevent employers (and other employees) from giving out vaccination status of their employees/co-workers but those laws are not HIPAA. A person can tell anyone they want their vaccination status. Some who tells me they can't tell me due to HIPAA in my opinion is saying they are not vaccinated but don't want to straight out say they are not. I would be avoiding them forever. eta: I am just now wanting to get a haircut but haven't ventured into the quagmire just yet. I told the supervisor that it was not a violation but of course she didn't believe me or as you said, tried to hide behind Hipaa because they aren't vaccinated. It seemed obvious from other things that she said that this was not a pro-vaccine workplace. That doesn't mean that some of their aestheticians aren't vaccinated. It's a small enough place that she probably knew which are and which aren't. All she had to do was say, "I don't know for sure who is vaccinated but if you are more comfortable with a vaccinated technician, let's make your appointment with X who I happened to know is vaccinated." |
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Post by peabay on Nov 16, 2021 23:28:11 GMT
I work at a day spa and people ask this all the time - we, thankfully, can say "every one working here is fully vaccinated." I don't mind being asked.
I do have one service provided who isn't - but I'm boostered and she's in a mask and I trust that she's careful. She's in her 60s and is in the "earthy crunchy hippie" group and has her own concerns about Covid so she's not exactly going out in large groups and partying.
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Post by AllieC on Nov 16, 2021 23:33:30 GMT
I understand you not wanting to be treated by anyone who may not be vaccinated. It imagine it could be really awkward having to ask. Luckily for me, you have to be fully vaccinated here to go to the hairdresser, massage therapist etc, and the hairdressers and massage therapists etc must be fully vaccinated as well. I went to the hairdresser on Saturday and I had to show my digital vaccination certificate at the front door. I know of several cafes and restaurants around here that have not been able to open up yet after our lockdown ended a couple of weeks ago, because they don't have enough workers who are fully vaccinated. One guy owns two cafes. He moved all of his vaccinated workers to one of the cafes, and the other one is doing takeaway only until all of the employees are vaccinated. Ditto. Pretty much all workers have to be vaccinated for them to work now which takes any awkward questions out of it. Even if there was no mandate, I wouldn't be going to any business with close contact where I knew the service provider wasn't vaccinated. Australia has now over 83% of people over 16 full vaccinated with some states reaching or very near 90%. The most populated states are around 95% single dose with fully vaxxed catching up. After a shitshow of a slow rollout, now that we have supply our rates are amazing. |
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Post by Laurie on Nov 17, 2021 0:02:01 GMT
I will preface this by saying I am vaccinated. I work in purchasing so I have a lot of suppliers who come in to meet with me. If one of them them asked to meet with but then asked this question I would let them know that I am but I would also tell them not to come in because I don’t think it is their business to ask me. However, it’s a little different than your situations in the op since they are trying to earn our business.
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Post by Nanner on Nov 17, 2021 0:03:55 GMT
I won't go to anybody who isn't fully vaccinated. If they don't answer, I don't make the appointment.
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Post by MorningPerson on Nov 17, 2021 0:04:38 GMT
I’m a member of a local Facebook group that started at the beginning of the pandemic - it’s dedicated to sharing information about which business are good at following guidelines and which ones aren’t. People post their experiences about masking, distancing etc. I haven’t seen any posts about vaccination status, but at least I know which stores, hair salons etc. have been doing their best to protect their customers and employees. I’m trying a new hair salon tomorrow that’s had great reviews from the start.
Maybe you have such a Facebook group for your area? If not it should be easy enough to start one.
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Post by Rainy_Day_Woman on Nov 17, 2021 0:08:54 GMT
I work as a massage therapist in a spa. I certainly overhear clients asking the front desk if people are vaccinated, but I don't think anybody has ever asked to see proof.
I feel like I usually offer up the information that I'm vaccinated before anybody asks, so I can't say too many people have directly asked me. We require our clients to be vaccinated and show proof.
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Post by tincin on Nov 17, 2021 0:29:04 GMT
I ask. I haven’t spent all this time taking precautions only to blow it by having an anti-vaxxer perform services for me. If they don’t want to answer, they don’t get my business.
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Post by heckofagal on Nov 17, 2021 2:54:25 GMT
I’m vaccinated and have even had my booster, but my question is this… does it really matter if your provider is vaccinated? You can still get Covid from someone vaccinated. I know unvaccinated are more contagious for a longer period so it would be safer around vaccinated providers.
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Post by heckofagal on Nov 17, 2021 2:55:29 GMT
I’m vaccinated and have even had my booster, but my question is this… does it really matter if your provider is vaccinated? You can still get Covid from someone vaccinated. I know unvaccinated are more contagious for a longer period so it would be safer around vaccinated providers. My stylist is vaccinated and I do wear a mask but so many businesses around here are filled with mask less people.
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Post by Just T on Nov 17, 2021 2:57:13 GMT
I don't ask. I'm too chicken. LOL
I've been vaccinated and will get my booster after Christmas. I have started wearing masks again, too. I feel like I am doing the best I can to protect myself, and since even people who have been vaccinated can get it and spread it, I am just taking it upon myself to do what I can to protect myself. Social distancing, mask, hand sanitizer.
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Post by AllieC on Nov 17, 2021 4:32:14 GMT
I’m vaccinated and have even had my booster, but my question is this… does it really matter if your provider is vaccinated? You can still get Covid from someone vaccinated. I know unvaccinated are more contagious for a longer period so it would be safer around vaccinated providers. Yes it does matter. Yes vaccinated people can still pass it on but there is a much smaller chance. |
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 17, 2021 4:34:03 GMT
I’m vaccinated and have even had my booster, but my question is this… does it really matter if your provider is vaccinated? You can still get Covid from someone vaccinated. I know unvaccinated are more contagious for a longer period so it would be safer around vaccinated providers. Yes, you can get Covid from a vaccinated person with a breakthrough infection. But, it's much less likely unless you're in the same household. Unvaccinated people are more likely to have Covid in the first place. Unvaccinated people also have Covid for longer and are more likely to spread Covid. www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/vaccinated-people-are-less-likely-spread-covid-new-research-finds-n1280583www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/the-vaccinated-arent-just-as-likely-to-spread-covid/620161/So let me make one thing clear: Vaccinated people are not as likely to spread the coronavirus as the unvaccinated. Even in the United States, where more than half of the population is fully vaccinated, the unvaccinated are responsible for the overwhelming majority of transmission.
To spread the coronavirus, you have to have the coronavirus. And vaccinated people are far less likely to have the coronavirus—period. Additionally, for those instances of a vaccinated person getting a breakthrough case, yes, they can be as infectious as an unvaccinated person. But they are likely contagious for a shorter period of time when compared with the unvaccinated, and they may harbor less infectious virus overall. |
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Post by seaexplore on Nov 17, 2021 5:50:17 GMT
people you do business with? I am referring specifically to stylists, aestheticians, massage therapist, etc. where there will close contact for a extended period of time. At this point I refuse to be treated by someone who hasn't been vaccinated. I've had mixed results in asking. My longtime stylist just told me straight out that she wasn't vaccinated and after a conversation it sounded like she was never going to. I switched stylists in September. The salon I called was reluctant at first but the person I talked to told me who I should see there if I wanted someone who had been vaccinated. It's been a very good move so far. When I wanted a massage a couple of months ago, the person answering the phone thought the masseuse I requested was vaccinated and went to check. He not only was, but offered to show me his vaccine card as proof. Lastly, I wanted to get a facial. It has been years and the aesthetician I used before has retired. When I asked about vaccination status they refused claiming it has a Hipaa violation for them to give out this information. I was transferred to a supervisor and I countered that it was a common question these days. I had to show my vaccine card to attend a performance a few weeks ago in Charlotte. I told her that she needed to be more concerned about her client's health and safety than her employees' privacy. I will not be getting a facial there. DH has asked customers he calls on and people have asked him about status since he is going to be in their homes often for a few hours at a time though no close contact is required. He has had no issues getting confirmation from customers and of course he tells people he has been vaccinated and now even has his booster. Have you asked this question? What kind of responses are you getting? There is no HIPAA violation for giving out your own information. HIPAA only applies to people who work in medicine to not give out patient information they have access to. Privacy laws in the Equal Employment Opportunity and Americans with Disabilities Act prevent employers (and other employees) from giving out vaccination status of their employees/co-workers but those laws are not HIPAA. A person can tell anyone they want their vaccination status. Some who tells me they can't tell me due to HIPAA in my opinion is saying they are not vaccinated but don't want to straight out say they are not. I would be avoiding them forever.eta: I am just now wanting to get a haircut but haven't ventured into the quagmire just yet. Yep yep yep. |
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