pridemom
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Post by pridemom on Nov 27, 2021 16:50:10 GMT
So, my middle daughter and I take immune suppressant drugs and my youngest daughter has lung issues from RSV as a teen. We are all fully vaccinated and some have gotten boosters. Dh’s 19yo nephew has been completely indoctrinated by his father and stepmom regarding conspiracies and the like. He even left basic training because he refused the vaccine.
Our family gathering for Thanksgiving is today. On Tuesday, dh’s sister asked if her son could come. I made the compromise that if he was tested Wednesday, and it was negative, he would be welcome to come. Last night I get this message from the stepmom on how we’ve shunned him because he won’t get vaccinated. Blah, blah, blah. She then posted on Facebook that he doesn’t need family who won’t let him come because he refuses to get vaccinated. I posted a respectful reply that with three high risk individuals we asked that he get tested, not required the vaccine. The last time I had the flu, a cytokine storm almost killed me. I cannot risk it.
According to his mother, when she relayed the request to get tested he replied that he won’t get vaccinated, why would he get tested. He said he understood he probably wouldn’t see our family again. Of course, stepmom swears he was not asked to be tested.
I guess I will go down as unreasonable because I am guarding my health.
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Post by monklady123 on Nov 27, 2021 16:54:52 GMT
Well obviously you are not the one being unreasonable! ugh. Continue to keep yourself and your family safe, and don't get sucked into arguments with the anti-vaxxers. Or the anti-testers! Talk about being unreasonable.... A test takes about .2 seconds and then you wait for the results.
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Post by peabay on Nov 27, 2021 16:55:15 GMT
Ridiculous. Actions have consequences: plain and simple. He made a choice and this is the result. Deal with it - freaking snowflake.
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Post by pridemom on Nov 27, 2021 17:02:47 GMT
I’m not so much worried about the stepmom and father’s opinions, because I have never valued them. Anyone who knows me, knows my integrity and that’s enough. I do worry for the nephew. He’s had a rough time because of multiple reasons and just wants the approval of the dad and stepmom. My youngest is extremely upset that her favorite cousin doesn’t care enough about her to get a ten second swab up his nose.
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Post by Ramona on Nov 27, 2021 17:06:44 GMT
The nephew and step-mom are the unreasonable ones. His non-actions are on him. Continue to keep your family safe.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 17:18:01 GMT
I’m not following. If the son has been “indoctrinated”, doesn’t that also bring into question whether his father and stepmom are also vaccinated? Honestly, based on your family’s health history, anyone who will be visiting and not wearing a mask should be tested. I’d buy a bunch of the rapid test kits and have them handy.
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Post by auntkelly on Nov 27, 2021 17:31:38 GMT
Do you have your nephew’s number? I think you should talk to your nephew directly. He is not a minor, so there is nothing inappropriate about you explaining the situation directly to him. I wouldn’t trust the stepmom to serve as the go between.
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Post by SockMonkey on Nov 27, 2021 17:38:26 GMT
Do you have your nephew’s number? I think you should talk to your nephew directly. He is not a minor, so there is nothing inappropriate about you explaining the situation directly to him. I wouldn’t trust the stepmom to serve as the go between. I agree. 19 year olds are adults, old enough to vote. He's making his own decisions, AND I think it's okay for you to explain to him directly, because I'd be willing to bet my left leg the story he got from stepmom is far different from how you've explained it to us.
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 27, 2021 17:54:45 GMT
I agree with calling him directly—relying on intermediaries in this situation is bound to lead to miscommunication.
Thing is that he is an adult but he is also in that age bracket where people take principled stands about stupid things and ruin relationships over them. Which is not to excuse him at all, but is to say that he probably doesn’t have the best judgment, and even though I think he is being ridiculous, I would keep the door open for future him to come around.
I am sorry. This sucks. It really hurts when people won’t endure extremely minor inconvenience to protect us.
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Post by littlemama on Nov 27, 2021 18:10:37 GMT
I’m not following. If the son has been “indoctrinated”, doesn’t that also bring into question whether his father and stepmom are also vaccinated? Honestly, based on your family’s health history, anyone who will be visiting and not wearing a mask should be tested. I’d buy a bunch of the rapid test kits and have them handy. I think that the mom is her dh's sister. Nephew has been indoctrinated by his father and stepmom who would not be included as the mom is the relative. I think.
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Post by arielsmom on Nov 27, 2021 18:14:07 GMT
Our families have already cancelled the extended family Christmas get togethers, as there are several 20 year olds that are choosing to not get vaccinated. It is hard to understand why they made that choice for themselves as their generation has been well protected from many serious diseases because of vaccines.
My husband and I both have underlying health issues, and our doctors are adamant that we need to continue to be careful. We were fortunate enough to get boosters 6 weeks ago.
Please keep yourself and your girls safe. If that means smaller groups, can you start a new tradition this year?
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Post by scrappinmama on Nov 27, 2021 18:15:15 GMT
Your house, your rules. You asked for negative COVID tests before a group gathering at your home. Your request is valid. Sounds like you are cutting out a toxic person from your life. I k now it's not fun to have the drama though. I would not engage in their FB posts and just be glad you don't have to be around him.
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Post by katiekaty on Nov 27, 2021 18:32:48 GMT
Went to a thanksgiving gathering Thursday and before we exited the vehicle everyone was provided a rapid OTC test. Wasn’t offended. Even though we were all vaccinated. Two severely compromised individuals were there. It was graciously presented and we complied. The hosts accepted the cost. Didn’t even see an issue. I would have gotten a test if they would have. I think it’s a courtesy these days if someone is hosting you in their home!
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Post by voltagain on Nov 27, 2021 18:34:57 GMT
I’m not so much worried about the stepmom and father’s opinions, because I have never valued them. Anyone who knows me, knows my integrity and that’s enough. I do worry for the nephew. He’s had a rough time because of multiple reasons and just wants the approval of the dad and stepmom. My youngest is extremely upset that her favorite cousin doesn’t care enough about her to get a ten second swab up his nose. IMO, stop worrying about him. He isn't your child to worry about. He is old enough to enlist, old enough to vote and old enough to refuse a vaccine that made him lose his job. Maybe some day he will make different decisions but he is a legal adult and can make his own now. HE is choosing to cut family ties. If he wants to cut them over a medical test to keep the rest of you safe then recognize he doesn't care a twit about you. You protect your daughters as long as they will allow you to.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 18:38:31 GMT
I’m not following. If the son has been “indoctrinated”, doesn’t that also bring into question whether his father and stepmom are also vaccinated? Honestly, based on your family’s health history, anyone who will be visiting and not wearing a mask should be tested. I’d buy a bunch of the rapid test kits and have them handy. I think that the mom is her dh's sister. Nephew has been indoctrinated by his father and stepmom who would not be included as the mom is the relative. I think. Ah, that makes more sense. Confusing as the stepmom is interjecting herself into the conversation. But even so, it sounds like SIL is around nephew and she will be attending so I’d want her to be tested as well.
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Post by scrapmaven on Nov 27, 2021 18:39:38 GMT
I am high risk, as well. He's the idiot in this situation. You cannot risk your health or that of your daughter. As you know, when we get a cold it's never just a cold. You are being wise; while the step-mom needs to read some science journals.
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Post by moodyblue on Nov 27, 2021 18:40:02 GMT
His right to choose - and accept the consequences. If he won’t consider your health and that of other people, then you have the right and responsibility to look after yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2021 18:54:01 GMT
We have been through something similar asking family and other people with infections not to visit due to being high risk for complications ( this was before covid ) and found that no matter how well we explained and apologised they still managed to either ignore requests or get offended.
They are not the ones who end up in hospital.
You made the right decision to protect your family and I think it was fair and responsible.
I echo others in contacting him directly might be a good idea to clear up any potential confusion, may be the message he got did not explain things properly.
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 27, 2021 19:00:53 GMT
My response every time something like this comes up is that they have the right to remain unvaccinated. I have the right to protect myself. There’s no way that someone with this stance will remain properly masked in your home, so he stays home. He’s making the choice for himself.
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Post by tincin on Nov 28, 2021 1:19:33 GMT
Really who needs people like that in their life? I just dumped a guy I was dating because he refused to get vaccinated. I don’t need anti vaxers around me. I have a 3 YO granddaughter that I see at least twice a week. No choice at all for me, she’ll win every time.
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Post by milocat on Nov 28, 2021 1:28:24 GMT
Well obviously you are not the one being unreasonable! ugh. Continue to keep yourself and your family safe, and don't get sucked into arguments with the anti-vaxxers. Or the anti-testers! Talk about being unreasonable.... A test takes about .2 seconds and then you wait for the results. Dontcha know there is covid on the swabs 🤪 don't get tested man it'll kill ya! I heard this from a guy who's so concerned about what goes into his body he lives on hot dogs and cigarettes.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 28, 2021 1:37:08 GMT
No great loss, I’m sorry to say. But it’s true. You asked for a reasonable accommodation. He didn’t want to do it. You will all be healthier for it. And if he is ok not to see your family again, why go out of your way?
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Post by maryland on Nov 28, 2021 1:38:50 GMT
I completely agree with you. And you are a lot nicer than me by letting them get a covid test and then welcome them.
I am done with anti vaxxers. They aren't welcome in my home. And they probably wouldn't want a vaccinated person in their home, so that they don't have to worry about me visiting them. All of my family and all but one of my close friends is vaccinated, so it won't be a problem.
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Post by librarylady on Nov 28, 2021 2:02:37 GMT
Unvaccinated brother was coming. I said we will have to miss the gathering because we won't share such close quarters with Unvaccinated. After I spoke up, 3 others said they would not come ...and anti vaxer then said he would stay home rather than spoil it for the family. That was the gathering for 1st dinner in the family.
I was hosting the official gathering on Thursday, and included note to everyone that only vaccinated were welcome to attend. The one anti vaxer pouted because he couldn't come.
I shrugged it off because actions (or lack) have consequences.
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Post by mlana on Nov 28, 2021 2:21:21 GMT
We have been so careful since this started to stay vigilant and quarantined. None of the 4 of us can afford to take a chance as we all have health issues. My mom left for her home to have T-day with my brother, so she wasn’t here when my DD caught a cold. DD got really sick, to the point she went to have Covid test before seeing her dr.
Test was negative and dr said DD had a sinus infection from the cold. At my insistence, DD came to stay after she went 24 hours with no fever and on the antibiotics. DH stayed in another room, never coming anywhere near DD. He got sick anyway, and his cold went into a sinus infection. Since he is on a blood thinner, he kept getting bloody noses that wouldn’t stop. by the time he saw the dr via Zoom, he looked so bad she ordered him to the ER. He didn’t go, but he did take the meds she ordered.
I got sick as DH was getting better. I didn’t get super sick, mostly a headache and cough.
Thru it all, we kept saying how lucky we were that it was only a cold that got thru. We were all aware of how much worse it could have been. DD will be even more careful since she feels so guilty for making us sick.Neither her Dad nor I would have had her be away when she felt so bad, though. If she had stayed home, I’d have gone there.
So, please, be careful. Don’t feel bad about being careful with your family’s health.
Marcy
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Post by pridemom on Nov 28, 2021 3:13:03 GMT
Sorry, it was a busy day, so I am now following up.
It was said to communicate with nephew and not go through his mom (dh’s sister). I don’t have his number. Dd told me she does but stopped trying to call and text because he never answers or responds. Apparently, his father told him not to give it out to people, so he never gave it to us. We have always communicated through his mother.
I like the idea to keep tests here. I will buy some so I have them available.
His mother called him today to let him know that his stepmom had been stirring the pot. Believe me that it’s been a problem for the last 14 years. The woman even wrote things against my frail 82yo father in law today that were untrue.
I blocked her from my social feeds early this morning because it was only going to ruin my day to let her suck my energy. She did finally edit her post to put blame on my sister in law and not me. My daughter told me that. Not that it’s much of a win.
In the end, nephew told his mom he knew his choice not to test would mean he wouldn’t be able to come. So, he can live with his choice.
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Post by peasapie on Nov 28, 2021 9:21:41 GMT
They are being very selfish and not thinking of your welfare at all, so I would stop thinking about theirs.
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Post by sueg on Nov 28, 2021 10:10:29 GMT
Our families have already cancelled the extended family Christmas get togethers, as there are several 20 year olds that are choosing to not get vaccinated. It is hard to understand why they made that choice for themselves as their generation has been well protected from many serious diseases because of vaccines. I think a big part of the problem is that they have been protected from so many diseases by vaccines. Those of us who are older saw the havoc wreaked by polio/measles/rubella/whatever else outbreaks, and so were happy to vaccinate ourselves and then our children. Those who never went to school with someone with a leg in a brace due to polio, or had a friend who lost a baby due to a rubella infection in pregnancy don't see these diseases for the threat the were/are.
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Post by Basket1lady on Nov 28, 2021 12:24:42 GMT
Our families have already cancelled the extended family Christmas get togethers, as there are several 20 year olds that are choosing to not get vaccinated. It is hard to understand why they made that choice for themselves as their generation has been well protected from many serious diseases because of vaccines. I think a big part of the problem is that they have been protected from so many diseases by vaccines. Those of us who are older saw the havoc wreaked by polio/measles/rubella/whatever else outbreaks, and so were happy to vaccinate ourselves and then our children. Those who never went to school with someone with a leg in a brace due to polio, or had a friend who lost a baby due to a rubella infection in pregnancy don't see these diseases for the threat the were/are. I completely agree with this. When I was pregnant with DS at 29, there was a neighbor with a kid who had chicken pox. I’d been tested before I got pregnant because I’d had it twice and knew that I was highly immune. I still called my doctor and was surprised to find that I should avoid the family anyway because it could be dangerous. I’d just been blithely going on with my life. I was a very cautious pregnant mom because I spent years as a fertility patient and I didn’t know.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 28, 2021 13:09:33 GMT
Our families have already cancelled the extended family Christmas get togethers, as there are several 20 year olds that are choosing to not get vaccinated. It is hard to understand why they made that choice for themselves as their generation has been well protected from many serious diseases because of vaccines. I think a big part of the problem is that they have been protected from so many diseases by vaccines. Those of us who are older saw the havoc wreaked by polio/measles/rubella/whatever else outbreaks, and so were happy to vaccinate ourselves and then our children. Those who never went to school with someone with a leg in a brace due to polio, or had a friend who lost a baby due to a rubella infection in pregnancy don't see these diseases for the threat the were/are. There is a lot of truth in this. I got the polio vaccine, but when I was a child, nearly everyone got chicken pox, measles and mumps. I certainly did.
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