SabrinaP
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Post by SabrinaP on Dec 13, 2021 22:40:48 GMT
One of the high schools in town is having issues with threats of guns. They’ve already found weapons 3 times this year (knife, gun, and BB gun). They had similar issues last year. The district is dragging their feet on doing anything. Parents are calling for metal detectors. I was just wondering how common metal detectors are in High schools around you.
We do have a police force in the district and an officer is stationed at each campus, but that doesn’t seem to be enough.
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naby64
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Post by naby64 on Dec 13, 2021 22:48:20 GMT
I voted yes but they didn't until they had a shooting that killed one student in the spring. It wasn't random and was retaliation. Completely senseless.
I was amazed that they did not have metal detectors. After everything that has gone on.
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Post by Merge on Dec 13, 2021 22:53:30 GMT
I'm curious how schools with metal detectors handle beeps from belt buckles, musical instruments, and other items that students might legitimately have on them. Do there have to be personnel beside each detector to check or pat down students who set off the detector? If so, who pays the attendants' wages? How does that work in a school with several thousand students?
(To me, a metal detector is not a feasible tool in the fight against school shootings. This is something that has to be handled in legislatures and homes.)
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 13, 2021 22:53:51 GMT
I’m not sure if they have them at the high school where we currently live, but they had them at the high school I attended in the city way back in the early ‘80’s already. We also had an off duty police liaison officer always in the building on school days. There were some kids he knew on a first name basis because they were constantly getting in trouble.
There aren’t any metal detectors at the middle school my kid attends, but both there and the elementary school she previously attended have a bulletproof glass vestibule entryway between the school building and the office with cameras. Everyone is supposed to be buzzed in by someone in the office to get into the school, and sign in at the office. I think that’s kind of hit or miss though because I’ve watched people coming out actually hold the door open for others coming in, bypassing the office completely which IMO totally defeats the purpose of having the security doors. 🙄
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Post by Merge on Dec 13, 2021 22:55:56 GMT
I’m not sure if they have them at the high school where we currently live, but they had them at the high school I attended in the city way back in the early ‘80’s already. We also had an off duty police liaison officer always in the building on school days. There were some kids he knew on a first name basis because they were constantly getting in trouble. There aren’t any metal detectors at the middle school my kid attends, but both there and the elementary school she previously attended have a bulletproof glass vestibule entryway between the school building and the office with cameras. Everyone is supposed to be buzzed in by someone in the office to get into the school, and sign in at the office. I think that’s kind of hit or miss though because I’ve watched people coming out actually hold the door open for others coming in, bypassing the office completely which IMO totally defeats the purpose of having the security doors. 🙄 TBH, anything we can reasonably do at school to prevent a shooting is security theater, including the stupid drills and active shooter training. The only reliable way of keeping kids safe is to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people.
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Post by ~summer~ on Dec 13, 2021 23:01:59 GMT
My kids’ high school no, but I went to more of an urban high school with gangs and we had a police officer always on campus but I don’t think we had metal detectors.
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garcia5050
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Post by garcia5050 on Dec 13, 2021 23:02:35 GMT
The high school I went to eliminated lockers, implemented metal detectors, and security was armed the year after I graduated (88). Back then, it was more of a gang and drug problem, not random crime. My kids go to a high school one city over from where I grew up and they do not have metal detectors, but they also have armed security and no lockers.
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cycworker
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Post by cycworker on Dec 13, 2021 23:13:15 GMT
Nope. I'm in Canada where we take the approach Merge suggests - keep the guns away from crazy people. Works pretty well.
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Post by librarylady on Dec 13, 2021 23:14:56 GMT
As far as I know, we only have a campus police officer.
IMO, metal detectors are not suitable for a HS setting. Problems: l. Need several for the various entry ways. 2. Need staff to monitor each detector every time the doors are open. 3. Would more than one monitor be needed at each door to handle "What if someone comes with a weapon?"
In a money conscious world, it is just not feasible.
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Post by peano on Dec 13, 2021 23:20:13 GMT
We don't have metal detectors but we have guards at the entrance to our schools. I say this not really knowing what sort of security measures (except a gate and a guard) have been put in place at Sandy Hook School, because obviously that is all on the down-low.
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Post by Merge on Dec 13, 2021 23:20:44 GMT
Nope. I'm in Canada where we take the approach Merge suggests - keep the guns away from crazy people. Works pretty well. How very civilized of you.
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peabay
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Post by peabay on Dec 13, 2021 23:30:39 GMT
As far as I know, we only have a campus police officer.IMO, metal detectors are not suitable for a HS setting. Problems: l. Need several for the various entry ways. 2. Need staff to monitor each detector every time the doors are open. 3. Would more than one monitor be needed at each door to handle "What if someone comes with a weapon?" In a money conscious world, it is just not feasible. Same. And some security staff, checking people in and out etc...
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Post by Basket1lady on Dec 13, 2021 23:42:51 GMT
No. My kids went to a HS in the DC area. During school hours, all doors were locked and visitors entered through one door with a security check. But the reality is that it was easy to get in through other doors. Students let people in all the time, either when leaving themselves or if you knocked on the door.
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Post by epeanymous on Dec 13, 2021 23:47:43 GMT
My two oldest attended/attend two different public high schools in Seattle, neither of which has a metal detector.
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Post by leannec on Dec 13, 2021 23:55:55 GMT
Nope. I'm in Canada where we take the approach Merge suggests - keep the guns away from crazy people. Works pretty well. I'm also in Canada (Calgary) ... now, we do have students with limited access to registered rifles and the odd BB gun but we just don't see them being brought to school ... I teach middle school but I have substituted in high schools in the past ... We have no high schools with metal detectors ... schools have a "resource officer" who visits but is not on campus every day ... it's just not necessary here
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iluvpink
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Post by iluvpink on Dec 14, 2021 0:03:48 GMT
I'm not sure?
DD graduated three years ago from the neighboring town where we lived before we moved here. They didn't have them then. We moved five miles away to another school district and I have no idea if they do or not. We are in a small town semi rural area. My guess is no.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Dec 14, 2021 0:13:42 GMT
We don't live far from the Red lake reservation in MN, where one of the earliest school shootings was. The school had unarmed security AND metal detectors at the time of the shooting. It didn't stop the guy from shooting and killing 10 people. He just shot his way in.
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Post by freecharlie on Dec 14, 2021 0:39:10 GMT
No, but we are small.
We just had students report a kid had a gun in their car. Cops and all, it was an airport that the idiot had spray painted
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Post by Linda on Dec 14, 2021 2:34:25 GMT
rural Florida - no metal detectors and when my older two attended (grad. 2010 and 2017), while there was a no guns on campus rule, if you forgot to take your hunting rifle out of the pickup truk you could let admin know and they would safeguard it during school hours. Not sure if that's still a thing now DD15 is there - hoping not but then I didn't know it used to a thing until the older two were talking recently.
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Post by sideways on Dec 14, 2021 3:01:31 GMT
No. Our high school is the rival to Oxford HS. Oxford and our school are now only allowing clear backpacks, but no metal detectors. Many parents are screaming for metal detectors, though. I think both measures are band aids on a much bigger problem.
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SabrinaP
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Post by SabrinaP on Dec 14, 2021 3:20:32 GMT
No. Our high school is the rival to Oxford HS. Oxford and our school are now only allowing clear backpacks, but no metal detectors. Many parents are screaming for metal detectors, though. I think both measures are band aids on a much bigger problem. Yes I agree it’s just a bandaid. It’s just something that would make parents feel better, but wouldn’t actually solve the problem. We have no lockers, but so far we haven’t moved to clear backpacks. That would be a much simpler change to make the start.
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pilcas
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Post by pilcas on Dec 14, 2021 3:52:31 GMT
My local school does not, another school I worked in did have metal detectors. Same city just not a great neighborhood. The process was pretty smooth.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Dec 14, 2021 4:33:25 GMT
As far as I know, we only have a campus police officer. IMO, metal detectors are not suitable for a HS setting. Problems: l. Need several for the various entry ways. 2. Need staff to monitor each detector every time the doors are open. 3. Would more than one monitor be needed at each door to handle "What if someone comes with a weapon?" In a money conscious world, it is just not feasible. The high school I attended also had magnetic door locks on all exit doors during the school day. The metal detectors were located at the main entrances near the office and that was the only entrance that kids had to funnel in through at the beginning of the day. It was similar to a TSA checkpoint at the airport. In the event of a fire or fire drill, all the exit doors would supposedly unlock to let everyone out.
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Post by hookturnian on Dec 14, 2021 12:09:16 GMT
South Africa is the third most dangerous country in the world, and six South African cities are in the Top 20 most dangerous cities in the world. Guns, both registered and unregistered, are very common. Schools do not have metal detectors or police officers on site.
Some background: There have been 5 school shootings in South Africa since 1994 with a total of 8 deaths including the perpetrators. Two of the shooters were teachers who shot colleagues, one was the boyfriend of a staff member who entered the school and shot his girlfriend. In another shooting, thought to be gang-related, a student was shot as he was entering the school premises. No arrests were made, so the shooter was probably not a student. The remaining shooting was a student who shot and injured other students.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Dec 14, 2021 12:22:27 GMT
Yes, but they had metal detectors installed my sophomore year at hs, twenty+ years ago.
Is this something new at school in this day & age?
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Post by melanell on Dec 14, 2021 14:12:11 GMT
There are none in our district, and while I can't speak for every nearby district, I have visited a few that also do NOT have them.
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Post by MissBianca on Dec 14, 2021 14:15:41 GMT
No, it would be very difficult and costly as we have about 12 buildings on campus and our special Ed campus down the street. We do have mostly retired police for security though and I know some of them carry. We also work very closely with the town police dept and they have a presence at the school.
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Post by Jen in NCal on Dec 14, 2021 16:28:43 GMT
Some of it will depend on where you live. Here our high schools aren't in one or two buildings with limited doors. It would be way too costly to put detectors on every door and a kid could still easily stash something outside. I do worry that at some point it will be too costly to NOT have them at the doors but my fingers stay crossed.
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blue tulip
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Post by blue tulip on Dec 14, 2021 17:38:34 GMT
ours does not have metal detectors. all exterior doors are supposed to be locked at all times, with only the front entrance into the office open. realistically tho, all that means is that they could be shot first or a gunman could run thru the office and then into the school doors, which from what i've seen, are usually open.
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Post by refugeepea on Dec 14, 2021 21:41:22 GMT
No and school was canceled yesterday because of a threat.
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