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Post by PolarGreen12 on Jan 27, 2022 15:02:36 GMT
This letter is fascinating and appalling all at the same time. The way this man nonchalantly refers to Tulsa’s black citizens as n******, speaks about their homes and buildings being burned by the white men and about how many they murdered, it’s so cold and horrific. It shows how quickly they put the blame on the black citizens as if it justified their own actions. Whatever truly happened in that elevator that day did not warrant the events that followed. My city owes those descendants and the memory of their ancestors.
The letters are a link within the web page that takes you to the Tulsa historical Page
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 27, 2022 15:39:50 GMT
It's hard to read especially in modern times. I have to say in a way that is how people talked back then, there was nothing 'wrong' with it, but yes everything wrong with it. They didn't know better, but should have. But it is hard to digest.
My mom lives in Claremore and she has shared lots of stories.. she got me excited about that new movie that is coming out soon (Killers of the Flower Moon).. which is another horrible thing in Oklahoma's history
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Post by malibou on Jan 27, 2022 15:44:01 GMT
I can't seem to get the link to work, but imagining it based on what you wrote is gut wrenching.
People are people!
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Post by auntkelly on Jan 27, 2022 15:57:40 GMT
That letter was hard to read. I wish I could say I thought that no one thinks like that anymore, but sadly I think there are plenty of people who would agree w/ a lot, if not all of what he wrote.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Jan 27, 2022 16:11:38 GMT
malibou the link opens a pdf file, maybe on a diff computer? workingclassdog yes it's been exciting to see the fiming going on in Pawhuska and downtown Tulsa where I work.
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Post by withapea on Jan 27, 2022 16:15:07 GMT
Thanks for sharing that. It was something. I wish it sounded antiquated but I’ve heard things in the same vein with less colorful language in current conversations. Shameful.
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Post by lucyg on Jan 27, 2022 16:25:43 GMT
Thank you for posting. I know it’s going to be painful to read, but I will read it.
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Post by malibou on Jan 27, 2022 16:39:02 GMT
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Post by Anita on Jan 27, 2022 17:09:32 GMT
Horrific. When I was working on my master's, we had to read a technical document written by the Nazis detailing how to overcome problems encountered when manning a mobile gas chamber. They talked about the people they were murdering as if they were cattle. It still haunts me, because of the sheer inhumanity of it. Here's something along the same lines, but I don't see the one I encountered back in school. Memo About Mobile Gas Vans
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Post by floridagirl on Jan 27, 2022 17:20:12 GMT
Very disturbing and hard to read.
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 27, 2022 17:23:01 GMT
Thanks for sharing, PolarGreen12. What stood out to me is this guy doesn't seem to have been raised by racists. He became one. He knows his parents and others back east will think "mighty hard things Tulsa" when they read the papers. The excuse that is the way people talked back them is also hard to hear. That is the way racists talked. Not just n*****. His casual letter to his parents dehumanizes the Black community referring to them as coons, shinola, skillets, shines. Only once does he use negro and that is to justify his anti-negro feelings. Just think about the sentence "The white had to break into all the sporting goods stores in town to get weapons to fight them".
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Post by auntkelly on Jan 27, 2022 18:18:17 GMT
Thanks for sharing, PolarGreen12 . What stood out to me is this guy doesn't seem to have been raised by racists. He became one. He knows his parents and others back east will think "mighty hard things Tulsa" when they read the papers. That’s a good point. It did seem like he was trying to convince his parents, who evidently lived in Orleans, N.Y., that the massacre was justified. However, I wonder if they were shocked when their son used the n word and used other racial slurs. My grandparents (who were about the same age as the letter writer) were prejudiced in that they viewed Blacks as childlike and inferior, but I never heard them use the n word or other racial slurs, and I don’t think they would have approved if other people talked like that in front of them. Both of my grandmothers talked about the past when I was growing up and both of them were very proud Oklahomans. My maternal grandmother told me all about the incidents described in Killers of the Flower Moon. She thought those events were terrible. Osage County was the next county over from us, so I think those incidents hit very close to home. Neither grandmother told me about the Tulsa Race Massacre. I like to think it was because it was such a shameful event in Oklahoma history that they just didn’t want to talk about it. However, I think it’s more likely that they just wiped it from their memory because it didn’t involve them. Tulsa was on the other side of the state and they rarely went there and probably didn’t know many people who lived there. However, if something that terrible had happened to White people in Tulsa, I think they would have told me all about it.
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Post by zella on Jan 27, 2022 19:15:41 GMT
That letter was hard to read. I wish I could say I thought that no one thinks like that anymore, but sadly I think there are plenty of people who would agree w/ a lot, if not all of what he wrote. Yes. That's perhaps the worst thing. This racism exists in every state and is shown towards anyone who doesn't look white enough for these awful people (Native Americans, people with Asian roots etc. being victimized along with blacks/African Americans). It just makes me feel ill that anyone, ever, could feel that way, say those things and do those things. It's a terrible, ugly thing and it continues.
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Post by huskergal on Jan 27, 2022 19:51:53 GMT
That was a tough read.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 27, 2022 19:53:51 GMT
OP, have you visited Greenwood Rising? The history center for the massacre?
We were in Tulsa earlier this school year and thought it was excellent.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Jan 27, 2022 20:01:05 GMT
OP, have you visited Greenwood Rising? The history center for the massacre? We were in Tulsa earlier this school year and thought it was excellent. Yes that and John Hope Franklin Center for Reconciliation are both excellent. My cousin and her daughter Kylah who is bi-racial will be here in March for a visit and Kylah is very excited for me to take her to the museums while she’s here. She’s 16 now and very into activism. It will be neat to experience it with her abs have some great conversations.
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Post by myshelly on Jan 27, 2022 20:22:17 GMT
OP, have you visited Greenwood Rising? The history center for the massacre? We were in Tulsa earlier this school year and thought it was excellent. Yes that and John Hope Franklin Center for Reconciliation are both excellent. My cousin and her daughter Kylah who is bi-racial will be here in March for a visit and Kylah is very excited for me to take her to the museums while she’s here. She’s 16 now and very into activism. It will be neat to experience it with her abs have some great conversations. We also went into the very small national historic site register right across the street. There’s nothing really in the building, but my kids found it incredibly interesting and informing to talk to the people who worked there about the struggle to get the site recognized and the fundraising efforts to preserve the area. It really made them think about how not only the event itself was horrible and racist, obviously, but how what gets preserved and funded versus what doesn’t shapes and enables racism for generations to come.
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Post by huskergal on Jan 27, 2022 20:58:37 GMT
I find a really tragic part of this horrible part of American history is that I knew nothing about it until I read Dennis Lehane's book "Live by Night". It detailed the massacre. I had to look it up to see if it really happened or he made it up for his book. I can't believe this was never taught as part of American History.
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Post by PLurker on Jan 27, 2022 21:05:51 GMT
Definitely a hard to but must read.
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Post by Merge on Jan 27, 2022 21:14:47 GMT
I find a really tragic part of this horrible part of American history is that I knew nothing about it until I read Dennis Lehane's book "Live by Night". It detailed the massacre. I had to look it up to see if it really happened or he made it up for his book. I can't believe this was never taught as part of American History. Right? Growing up only two states away, you would think it would have come up at some point in our history classes. But then I went to a junior high that started its life 100 years prior as an Indian school where children who had been taken from their families were brutalized in an attempt to turn them white, and we didn’t talk about that, either. What I can tell all the parents who think it’s a good idea to whitewash our history is that when your kids find out what you and society kept from them, they will never trust you again.
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Post by huskergal on Jan 28, 2022 13:40:15 GMT
I find a really tragic part of this horrible part of American history is that I knew nothing about it until I read Dennis Lehane's book "Live by Night". It detailed the massacre. I had to look it up to see if it really happened or he made it up for his book. I can't believe this was never taught as part of American History. Right? Growing up only two states away, you would think it would have come up at some point in our history classes. But then I went to a junior high that started its life 100 years prior as an Indian school where children who had been taken from their families were brutalized in an attempt to turn them white, and we didn’t talk about that, either. What I can tell all the parents who think it’s a good idea to whitewash our history is that when your kids find out what you and society kept from them, they will never trust you again. Our local paper has done several stories recently on the Indian schools in Nebraska. Of course, I didn't learn about these in school.
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