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Post by jennifercw on Jan 28, 2022 15:59:53 GMT
Let's say you walked into an indoor space that you were about to share with 100-150 other people for the next hour. Large space but not big enough for "social distancing." At least 95% of those present are wearing masks. Let's also say the room is a church, there are signs on the doors asking everyone to wear a mask, and there are baskets of masks available if you don't have your own. What would be going through your head that would justify you NOT putting one on?   This is really more of a vent than an actual question. But I just don't get it... SMH |
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Post by iluvpink on Jan 28, 2022 16:02:22 GMT
Well, that person should be thinking "I'm an asshole". But they probably are not thinking that...
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 28, 2022 16:05:39 GMT
Like this?
“I’m a selfish asshole who doesn’t like masks, and I don’t care about anybody but me. So eff these people-I’m not wearing one! And if anybody says anything to me, I will have a giant tantrum. I might even lie down on the floor and kick my legs like a toddler. And I know how to act like a toddler.”
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Post by CardBoxer on Jan 28, 2022 16:08:03 GMT
And where are the people that should be enforcing the rules?!
In my surgeon’s office a couple people in the waiting room were not masked. Emails, patient portals and emails remind people masks are mandatory. I waited in the hall. (Shortly after that all the surgical locations stopped allowing anyone to accompany patients, with some obvious exceptions, so that’s good.)
A woman who gets physical therapy after I do always walks in with her mask over her mouth but not on her nose at all. If there’s a reason, put her in one of the private rooms please.
So no answer, just climbing onto your vent.
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Post by malibou on Jan 28, 2022 16:08:55 GMT
I'm in charge of me and I don't have to listen to anyone because my parents told me that. Aaaaaaand Gods love me so I will be protected because I do Godsly things sometimes.
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Post by mamapeaah on Jan 28, 2022 16:11:56 GMT
You know, I have no idea because in general people want to fit in, right?
Like we generally want to be like others and not stand out in a negative way.
Like this is a social norm now and people want to come in and say
"Let me show these people what a giant asshole I am!!"
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Post by katlady on Jan 28, 2022 16:15:44 GMT
They are probably thinking - Look at all these idiots. Masks don’t work and it is only a “cold”.
I assume that is what the people who are not wearing masks in stores are thinking. We have a mask mandate.
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Post by naby64 on Jan 28, 2022 16:18:39 GMT
I would say you just walked into my church on Sunday morning. And the pastor, my boss, doesn't want to be the mask police. Nor has he been vaccinated or wears a mask regularly.
I would say these people are thinking "now that I am vaccinated I don't need to wear a mask, I don't need to read the signs, oh I just had covid 3 months ago"... I could go on and on.
I am in the choir. All of the members wear a mask. If we can sing in a mask, you can darn well wear a mask while you sit there for 45 minutes!
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Post by Merge on Jan 28, 2022 16:22:17 GMT
I don't know what they're thinking, but I'd be thinking I don't want to attend a church that doesn't enforce its own mask policy.
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Post by naby64 on Jan 28, 2022 16:26:02 GMT
I don't know what they're thinking, but I'd be thinking I don't want to attend a church that doesn't enforce its own mask policy. And that is why I sing and leave. TBH, masks are just "encouraged" here not mandated. I live in the state next door to you and our governor, well... There are other reasons I don't attend the church service but absolutely adore the music minister and his wife. Who, BTW, is our infectious disease person at the hospital. You would think the guy in charge might listen to her advice. Noooo... So I am here for the mighty nice paycheck and the music. I do my bible studying on my own and online with other pastors. Once you know the backroom stuff, it's hard to watch the cover. |
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Post by Merge on Jan 28, 2022 16:27:30 GMT
I don't know what they're thinking, but I'd be thinking I don't want to attend a church that doesn't enforce its own mask policy. And that is why I sing and leave. TBH, masks are just "encouraged" here not mandated. I live in the state next door to you and our governor, well... There are other reasons I don't attend the church service but absolutely adore the music minister and his wife. Who, BTW, is our infectious disease person at the hospital. You would think the guy in charge might listen to her advice. Noooo... So I am here for the mighty nice paycheck and the music. I do my bible studying on my own and online with other pastors. Once you know the backroom stuff, it's hard to watch the cover. I hear you. Singing in the choir was the only reason I went to church for a long time! |
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Post by myshelly on Jan 28, 2022 16:29:36 GMT
Maybe they’re from a different are where mask wearing isn’t a “social norm.”
There are LOTS of areas where masking wasn’t even the norm at the height of 2020, much less now.
Here, at least, a church is the last place I would expect to see masks. I strongly associate the kind of people who go to church with the kind of people who don’t wear masks.
I have a lot of friends who are really, really against mask wearing. Some decline invitations to anywhere that requires a mask. Some read the signs carefully and if the signs only say “recommended/requested/encouraged/etc.” or masks required for some guests and not others, they won’t wear a mask. Some won’t put on a mask unless approached by someone from the venue regardless of what the sign says. Some won’t put on a mask unless the venue provides masks.
I’ll put on a mask only if a place says it’s “required” (no mandates here and there haven’t been mandates for a long time, most of the time I don’t even have a mask with me, only if I’m going somewhere I know it’s required). However, once inside if other people aren’t wearing them or if employees aren’t wearing them (and wearing them correctly), I’ll take it off.
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 28, 2022 16:39:24 GMT
And where are the people that should be enforcing the rules?! In my surgeon’s office a couple people in the waiting room were not masked. Emails, patient portals and emails remind people masks are mandatory. I waited in the hall. (Shortly after that all the surgical locations stopped allowing anyone to accompany patients, with some obvious exceptions, so that’s good.) A woman who gets physical therapy after I do always walks in with her mask over her mouth but not on her nose at all. If there’s a reason, put her in one of the private rooms please. So no answer, just climbing onto your vent. We are asking people to get into confrontations with people when they are generally not trained to do so and are sometimes putting their welfare at risk. I had a student staring daggers at me all class one day this week. After class, an administrator took me aside — evidently the student has been refusing to wear a mask (violating university policy), the administrators have had to deal with the student repeatedly, and here we are (the student was wearing a mask in my class, but I definitely do not relish the thought of having to confront the student or call administrators to remove them if they will not comply, which is evidently the next step). |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 28, 2022 16:46:55 GMT
And where are the people that should be enforcing the rules?! In my surgeon’s office a couple people in the waiting room were not masked. Emails, patient portals and emails remind people masks are mandatory. I waited in the hall. (Shortly after that all the surgical locations stopped allowing anyone to accompany patients, with some obvious exceptions, so that’s good.) A woman who gets physical therapy after I do always walks in with her mask over her mouth but not on her nose at all. If there’s a reason, put her in one of the private rooms please. So no answer, just climbing onto your vent. We are asking people to get into confrontations with people when they are generally not trained to do so and are sometimes putting their welfare at risk. I had a student staring daggers at me all class one day this week. After class, an administrator took me aside — evidently the student has been refusing to wear a mask (violating university policy), the administrators have had to deal with the student repeatedly, and here we are (the student was wearing a mask in my class, but I definitely do not relish the thought of having to confront the student or call administrators to remove them if they will not comply, which is evidently the next step). Quite right. It’s deeply unfair to ask an employee to enforce mask wearing when you never know which one might go full postal. I feel sorry for employees who are put in the position of dealing with these nutters, because some of them are just waiting for a confrontation. |
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Post by CardBoxer on Jan 28, 2022 17:11:28 GMT
We are asking people to get into confrontations with people when they are generally not trained to do so and are sometimes putting their welfare at risk. I had a student staring daggers at me all class one day this week. After class, an administrator took me aside — evidently the student has been refusing to wear a mask (violating university policy), the administrators have had to deal with the student repeatedly, and here we are (the student was wearing a mask in my class, but I definitely do not relish the thought of having to confront the student or call administrators to remove them if they will not comply, which is evidently the next step). Quite right. It’s deeply unfair to ask an employee to enforce mask wearing when you never know which one might go full postal. I feel sorry for employees who are put in the position of dealing with these nutters, because some of them are just waiting for a confrontation. I agree in general, but think it’s different in medical facilities, at least around here. Everyone is masked at the hospital where my surgeon’s office is. If someone walks into the hospital without a mask they’d be stopped. So it means people without masks in the doctors’ office had their masks on and took them off. When I was an in-patient, staff made sure I was masked before they took me out of my room. My husband was reminded to wear a mask when he was standing in my room doorway looking out. BTW, I’m not suggesting the front desk people deal with it. |
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Post by monklady123 on Jan 28, 2022 17:13:26 GMT
If anything is going through that person's head -- a big "if" -- it's along the lines of "I don't like masks so I'm not going to wear one" or "they can't tell me what to do!" etc.  |
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Post by mollycoddle on Jan 28, 2022 17:18:16 GMT
Quite right. It’s deeply unfair to ask an employee to enforce mask wearing when you never know which one might go full postal. I feel sorry for employees who are put in the position of dealing with these nutters, because some of them are just waiting for a confrontation. I agree in general, but think it’s different in medical facilities, at least around here. Everyone is masked at the hospital where my surgeon’s office is. If someone walks into the hospital without a mask they’d be stopped. So it means people without masks in the doctors’ office had their masks on and took them off. When I was an in-patient, staff made sure I was masked before they took me out of my room. My husband was reminded to wear a mask when he was standing in my room doorway looking out. BTW, I’m not suggesting the front desk people deal with it. Good point. I was really thinking about stores, restaurants and classroom. There have been some big problems in places with anti-maskers. |
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Post by CardBoxer on Jan 28, 2022 17:20:41 GMT
Maybe they’re from a different are where mask wearing isn’t a “social norm.” There are LOTS of areas where masking wasn’t even the norm at the height of 2020, much less now. Here, at least, a church is the last place I would expect to see masks. I strongly associate the kind of people who go to church with the kind of people who don’t wear masks. I have a lot of friends who are really, really against mask wearing. Some decline invitations to anywhere that requires a mask. Some read the signs carefully and if the signs only say “recommended/requested/encouraged/etc.” or masks required for some guests and not others, they won’t wear a mask. Some won’t put on a mask unless approached by someone from the venue regardless of what the sign says. Some won’t put on a mask unless the venue provides masks. I’ll put on a mask only if a place says it’s “required” (no mandates here and there haven’t been mandates for a long time, most of the time I don’t even have a mask with me, only if I’m going somewhere I know it’s required). However, once inside if other people aren’t wearing them or if employees aren’t wearing them (and wearing them correctly), I’ll take it off. I wouldn’t have friends who are “really really” against mask wearing because I’m intolerant of blatant and selfish disregard of others and being willfully ignorant. Thank goodness we live in an area where most people care enough to wear masks. Which means people in many churches around here would be attending by zoom or wear masks. Are there exceptions? Absolutely! But the churches somewhat reflect the population. The pandemic has helped eliminate locations I’d not want to visit or retire to. |
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Post by CardBoxer on Jan 28, 2022 17:21:27 GMT
I agree in general, but think it’s different in medical facilities, at least around here. Everyone is masked at the hospital where my surgeon’s office is. If someone walks into the hospital without a mask they’d be stopped. So it means people without masks in the doctors’ office had their masks on and took them off. When I was an in-patient, staff made sure I was masked before they took me out of my room. My husband was reminded to wear a mask when he was standing in my room doorway looking out. BTW, I’m not suggesting the front desk people deal with it. Good point. I was really thinking about stores, restaurants and classroom. There have been some big problems in places with anti-maskers. Agree 1000%! I can’t imagine what the “front end” staff goes through. I’d be terrified. |
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Post by jennifercw on Jan 28, 2022 17:35:36 GMT
I don't know what they're thinking, but I'd be thinking I don't want to attend a church that doesn't enforce its own mask policy. We are basing mask wearing on case numbers in our community. So the "policy" changes with the data. We currently ask everyone to wear a mask. It is not "required" and we are not in an area where it is mandated in any way. As a congregation we've decided it's not about policing each other, it's about caring for one another. Our own members are pretty consistently wearing masks, but there were a number of people from other churches at the service in question. (Not a regular Sunday morning service.) I did not recognize the 2 people I noticed that were not wearing masks. Maybe they’re from a different are where mask wearing isn’t a “social norm.” There are LOTS of areas where masking wasn’t even the norm at the height of 2020, much less now. Here, at least, a church is the last place I would expect to see masks. I strongly associate the kind of people who go to church with the kind of people who don’t wear masks. I have a lot of friends who are really, really against mask wearing. Some decline invitations to anywhere that requires a mask. Some read the signs carefully and if the signs only say “recommended/requested/encouraged/etc.” or masks required for some guests and not others, they won’t wear a mask. Some won’t put on a mask unless approached by someone from the venue regardless of what the sign says. Some won’t put on a mask unless the venue provides masks. I’ll put on a mask only if a place says it’s “required” (no mandates here and there haven’t been mandates for a long time, most of the time I don’t even have a mask with me, only if I’m going somewhere I know it’s required). However, once inside if other people aren’t wearing them or if employees aren’t wearing them (and wearing them correctly), I’ll take it off. Well that's a large part of my head shaking with this particular scenario. I'm pretty sure the 2 people I noticed not wearing masks were from a different church. I don't wear my mask everywhere anymore, but I have ZERO problem putting it on when required OR requested - or very obviously the social norm for that location/event/etc. If someone walks into a church where pretty much everyone else is wearing a mask - they'd have to be completely oblivious not to realize masks are the social norm for that church. So if you realize something is a social norm, what goes through your head to justify not following that norm? I just find it bizarre. |
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Post by myshelly on Jan 28, 2022 17:40:07 GMT
I don't know what they're thinking, but I'd be thinking I don't want to attend a church that doesn't enforce its own mask policy. We are basing mask wearing on case numbers in our community. So the "policy" changes with the data. We currently ask everyone to wear a mask. It is not "required" and we are not in an area where it is mandated in any way. As a congregation we've decided it's not about policing each other, it's about caring for one another. Our own members are pretty consistently wearing masks, but there were a number of people from other churches at the service in question. (Not a regular Sunday morning service.) I did not recognize the 2 people I noticed that were not wearing masks. Maybe they’re from a different are where mask wearing isn’t a “social norm.” There are LOTS of areas where masking wasn’t even the norm at the height of 2020, much less now. Here, at least, a church is the last place I would expect to see masks. I strongly associate the kind of people who go to church with the kind of people who don’t wear masks. I have a lot of friends who are really, really against mask wearing. Some decline invitations to anywhere that requires a mask. Some read the signs carefully and if the signs only say “recommended/requested/encouraged/etc.” or masks required for some guests and not others, they won’t wear a mask. Some won’t put on a mask unless approached by someone from the venue regardless of what the sign says. Some won’t put on a mask unless the venue provides masks. I’ll put on a mask only if a place says it’s “required” (no mandates here and there haven’t been mandates for a long time, most of the time I don’t even have a mask with me, only if I’m going somewhere I know it’s required). However, once inside if other people aren’t wearing them or if employees aren’t wearing them (and wearing them correctly), I’ll take it off. Well that's a large part of my head shaking with this particular scenario. I'm pretty sure the 2 people I noticed not wearing masks were from a different church. I don't wear my mask everywhere anymore, but I have ZERO problem putting it on when required OR requested - or very obviously the social norm for that location/event/etc. If someone walks into a church where pretty much everyone else is wearing a mask - they'd have to be completely oblivious not to realize masks are the social norm for that church. So if you realize something is a social norm, what goes through your head to justify not following that norm? I just find it bizarre. I’ve never really had a problem with standing out or being different 🤷🏻♀️ When it comes to masks, all I’m looking at is, is it required. If there wasn’t notification that it was required, I wouldn’t think twice or feel awkward about not putting one on regardless of what other people are doing. |
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Post by zella on Jan 28, 2022 17:50:53 GMT
Well, that person should be thinking "I'm an asshole". But they probably are not thinking that... My thought exactly. Or "rules don't apply to me." Or, of course, the wonderful "I have a medical exemption!" I really wonder about this last one. Where are all the nurses and doctors with medical exemptions? I mean, they should exist, so why don't I see them at medical facilities? |
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Post by CardBoxer on Jan 28, 2022 17:51:03 GMT
We are basing mask wearing on case numbers in our community. So the "policy" changes with the data. We currently ask everyone to wear a mask. It is not "required" and we are not in an area where it is mandated in any way. As a congregation we've decided it's not about policing each other, it's about caring for one another. Our own members are pretty consistently wearing masks, but there were a number of people from other churches at the service in question. (Not a regular Sunday morning service.) I did not recognize the 2 people I noticed that were not wearing masks. Well that's a large part of my head shaking with this particular scenario. I'm pretty sure the 2 people I noticed not wearing masks were from a different church. I don't wear my mask everywhere anymore, but I have ZERO problem putting it on when required OR requested - or very obviously the social norm for that location/event/etc. If someone walks into a church where pretty much everyone else is wearing a mask - they'd have to be completely oblivious not to realize masks are the social norm for that church. So if you realize something is a social norm, what goes through your head to justify not following that norm? I just find it bizarre. I’ve never really had a problem with standing out or being different 🤷🏻♀️ When it comes to masks, all I’m looking at is, is it required. If there wasn’t notification that it was required, I wouldn’t think twice or feel awkward about not putting one on regardless of what other people are doing. Would you think twice if you found out you were an asymptomatic carrier who put someone in the hospital or helped kill them? Not knowing is a selfish luxury. And I’m out. Yesterday I got so worked up about vaccinated people in some areas of the country not getting needed surgeries or medical care because of anti-vaxxers clogging hospitals, that my head exploded. Only one explosion allowed per week. 💥 |
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Post by jennifercw on Jan 28, 2022 17:58:30 GMT
I’ve never really had a problem with standing out or being different 🤷🏻♀️ Fair point in many cases. Except in this case we're not talking about wearing pants when all the other women are wearing dresses. When the social norm is "we wear masks, not because it is required, but because we have determined at this time it is a way to show care for one another" - standing out is not a good thing. I know there is no convincing you on this particular point - everyone on this board knows quite well how you feel about the whole thing!  Happy to agree to disagree. |
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Post by myshelly on Jan 28, 2022 18:01:39 GMT
I’ve never really had a problem with standing out or being different 🤷🏻♀️ Fair point in many cases. Except in this case we're not talking about wearing pants when all the other women are wearing dresses. When the social norm is "we wear masks, not because it is required, but because we have determined at this time it is a way to show care for one another" - standing out is not a good thing. I know there is no convincing you on this particular point - everyone on this board knows quite well how you feel about the whole thing! Happy to agree to disagree. We can definitely agree to disagree, but you were asking what those people are thinking and I was just answering. It would literally not occur to me that people would be pissy I didn’t have a mask on in a place where it’s not required. It wouldn’t occur to me that a mask is a “social norm” anywhere. I would never feel awkward about not wearing one. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Jan 28, 2022 18:14:19 GMT
Fair point in many cases. Except in this case we're not talking about wearing pants when all the other women are wearing dresses. When the social norm is "we wear masks, not because it is required, but because we have determined at this time it is a way to show care for one another" - standing out is not a good thing. I know there is no convincing you on this particular point - everyone on this board knows quite well how you feel about the whole thing!  Happy to agree to disagree. We can definitely agree to disagree, but you were asking what those people are thinking and I was just answering. It would literally not occur to me that people would be pissy I didn’t have a mask on in a place where it’s not required. It wouldn’t occur to me that a mask is a “social norm” anywhere. I would never feel awkward about not wearing one. When it comes to social norms and Covid, it's safe to say that one of the last things I would think is "what would myshelly do?" |
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Post by Jennifer C on Jan 28, 2022 18:23:10 GMT
I went to a school meeting with about 25 kids and parents. We were asked to wear masks when called and there were signs on the door.
Maybe 4 or 5 people came in and didn't wear a mask.
The lady in charge handed them some booklets she had on hand about illiteracy and classes they could take. When they took offense at that she said the notice she sent out had masks required or they could do zoom meetings. And that there were also signs on the door. They didn't acknowledge either of those so she thought they were illiterates.
She did get some blowback but the principal backed her up, since it was a voluntary meeting that we didn't need to attend.
If I attended your meeting I'd probably speak loudly about how sad it is that people are unable to read in this day and age.
Jennifer
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Post by myshelly on Jan 28, 2022 18:31:35 GMT
We can definitely agree to disagree, but you were asking what those people are thinking and I was just answering. It would literally not occur to me that people would be pissy I didn’t have a mask on in a place where it’s not required. It wouldn’t occur to me that a mask is a “social norm” anywhere. I would never feel awkward about not wearing one. When it comes to social norms and Covid, it's safe to say that one of the last things I would think is "what would myshelly do?" I’m very happy I live where my norm is the norm and I don’t think about Covid on a daily basis. |
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Jan 28, 2022 18:33:14 GMT
I went to a school meeting with about 25 kids and parents. We were asked to wear masks when called and there were signs on the door. Maybe 4 or 5 people came in and didn't wear a mask. The lady in charge handed them some booklets she had on hand about illiteracy and classes they could take. When they took offense at that she said the notice she sent out had masks required or they could do zoom meetings. And that there were also signs on the door. They didn't acknowledge either of those so she thought they were illiterates. She did get some blowback but the principal backed her up, since it was a voluntary meeting that we didn't need to attend. If I attended your meeting I'd probably speak loudly about how sad it is that people are unable to read in this day and age. Jennifer I need a link to her amazon wish list because I would like to celebrate her. |
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Post by MichyM on Jan 28, 2022 18:37:07 GMT
I went to a school meeting with about 25 kids and parents. We were asked to wear masks when called and there were signs on the door. Maybe 4 or 5 people came in and didn't wear a mask. The lady in charge handed them some booklets she had on hand about illiteracy and classes they could take. When they took offense at that she said the notice she sent out had masks required or they could do zoom meetings. And that there were also signs on the door. They didn't acknowledge either of those so she thought they were illiterates. She did get some blowback but the principal backed her up, since it was a voluntary meeting that we didn't need to attend. If I attended your meeting I'd probably speak loudly about how sad it is that people are unable to read in this day and age. Jennifer BRAVO! I love that. I need more women like her in my life  |
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