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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 31, 2022 17:21:58 GMT
In your old age, I mean.
There was an article in the NYT about luxury senior living. I noticed it on Facebook and so many people in the comments section said that there was no way they'd go to an assisted living situation. They wanted to stay in their homes.
My dad is going to be 74. He's in good health. But he has expressed that there's no way they are ever getting him into an assisted living situation. And I just shake my head because I know that there's no way I will be the one to care for him. He's barely in my life now when he is healthy. He makes absolutely no effort to be a part of my life. So who does he think will be the people to take him grocery shopping and to doctors appointments, etc?
My grandpa went blind when he was in his late 50s and he retired early. He stayed in his house for a few years. But he was pretty much a prisoner to it. And my aunt had to do all his errands and such. We finally talked him into assisted living and it was amazing. Suddenly he was interacting with his peers, swimming and walking everyday in his safe community, going to church every Saturday, having a girlfriend, getting to do his grocery shopping with an aide, and going on field trips with his friends. My grandpa was just completely cut off in his home alone by his disability. In the assisted living he had a whole world opened up to him and actually more independence.
So I will choose to go to assisted living when it is my time after seeing what a positive experience it was for him.
But my dad insists he's not. So many of the seniors in the comments were insistent they weren't going either. I'm wondering are we really expecting children to take care of us in this way? And what did you do with your aging parents?
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Post by Violette Vixen on Jan 31, 2022 17:24:42 GMT
We don't EXPECT them to, we are hoping to build a place that is senior friendly in a few years and maybe they'd want to come stay with us if it ever got to that. They have expressed an interest in taking care of us though ETA: I think the only way we'd do assisted living is of there was something they couldn't handle. Dementia/Alzheimers, that sort of thing. As of now, I just have some mobility issues from an accident 15 years ago.
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Post by mikklynn on Jan 31, 2022 17:25:32 GMT
Heck no. I am angry with my parents for not planning ahead.
I am planning to move to some sort of senior living when I am 80. DH and I are moving to a one level townhome this spring.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jan 31, 2022 17:26:20 GMT
My mom is 82 and in good health. She says all the time.. throw me in a nursing home/assisted living/whatever.. she doesn't want us to take care of her.
It would all depend on her situation what will happen.. we wouldn't just throw her in anywhere for one thing. But it would just depend on what needs she would need. I couldn't really take her into my home as I have two stories.. My sister could though, she has a ranch and spare bedroom. I am sure my sister and I would arrange something that one kid isn't burden with everything. But it will be difficult, as she lives in Florida and I live in Colorado and mom is right in the middle of us.
I would not want my kids to take care of me. I don't think it would be fair. I'm like my mom.. throw me somewhere.. I'll be fine.
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Post by tentoes on Jan 31, 2022 17:28:09 GMT
Assisted living situations are VERY expensive. I do have insurance for this, but it only lasts a limited amount of time. So it may come down to what I can afford--not what I hope I can do. I don't want to be an inconvenience to my family members though, so there is that too!
ETA: I am currently living with my son's family. They have a MIL suite, and I am currently physically able to care for myself. I hurt my ddil's feelings when I told her I would want them to put me in a home if I became a burden. She cried. I don't want to be a burden to my kids, grandkids, or anybody.
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Post by elaine on Jan 31, 2022 17:29:13 GMT
My mom is in assisted living. I had her move out of her house in CA and move to an Assisted Living facility in MD (about 45 minutes from me) that her sister also lives at. That was in August of 2019. I can’t imagine what it would have been like - and neither can she - if COVID happened while she was living by herself on the West Coast. She is very happy with where she lives and they have so many cultural and educational activities that I’m jealous!
Neither of my children will be capable of living independently themselves, so there is absolutely no possibility of them taking care of Dh and I. We will move into assisted living when it is time.
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Post by scrappington on Jan 31, 2022 17:30:03 GMT
My dad lives in another province and has dementia. He needed round the clock care. He is in a facility. I make sure he gets what he needs. Unfortunately I can't visit. But in the province he is in he gets way better care then he would where I live so I didn't get him transferred here. That caused a lot of issues with his sister's. But I look at it that yes he would have more visitors here but at what costs. The staff there is much better, they have better programs etc. His needs should be more important than my need to see him.
My mom and I are currently not speaking she lives an hr away. She didn't take care of me as a child my grandparents did that. So nope.
If a child is in the position to take care of their parent and wants too. Good for them. But I don't think it should be expected.
I don't have kids so I don't have a choice.
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Post by busy on Jan 31, 2022 17:30:07 GMT
No, I do not expect him to have us live with him, financially provide for us, and/or be our caregiver. I know some families love that and it works well and perhaps we could end up living with him at some point... but only if it's mutually desired, never expected. And if we ever did, I would insist on hiring caregivers to provide the help we needed. I just think it's too much to expect an adult child to take care of their life, perhaps a family, AND be a hands-on caregiver for aging parents. No way would I want him to have that stress.
I do hope that he will help us with things that get tend to more difficult with aging. Based on my current experience with my aging parents... things like healthcare/financial/legal/technology issues. They've always been super savvy in those areas but in the last couple years (they are 78 and 79), they've started to feel a little overwhelmed by the pace of change and the research/effort required to keep up, so have appreciated guidance from my brother and I in various areas. They make their own decisions, we just help ensure they have all the information needed to make those decision presented clearly.
My parents still live in their home, but have purchased a new place in a retirement community. It will be ready for them to move in in April 2023. The community is multi-stage to provide a continuum of care in the same place - independent living condos that have housekeeping, all maintenance, various other amenities and one meal a day included (this is what my parents are buying); on-site professional caregivers who they can hire while in independent living if they need some care, but not enough for assisted living; an assisted living facility; a nursing home/rehab facility; memory care facility. They both should be able to stay on-site for the duration of their lives, even if they end up needing different levels of care at the same time. It's pretty much a perfect set up for them, but unsurprisingly, it's quite expensive. Fortunately, they have planned for this for a long time (my maternal grandmother did not plan for her later years and it was a huge financial burden for my mom - she has always vowed they would never do that to us).
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Post by katlady on Jan 31, 2022 17:31:18 GMT
We are sort of taking care of my mom now. She is healthy but doesn't drive anymore. I take her to all her appointments and shopping errands. My family doesn't expect her to live in assisted living. Now, a nursing home is different, if it ever gets to that point. But, I guess culturally, my family has always taken care of the elderly until it was no longer possible. As for me and SO, we are not "expecting" our boys to take care of us. We are prepared if necessary to go into senior living, or to stay home with some type of assistance.
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Post by Gem Girl on Jan 31, 2022 17:33:23 GMT
There are several commercial in-home senior care companies out there now. Getting this kind of help could be more affordable than moving to a facility, which costs a fortune around here (Washington, DC area). Also, not all parents are delightful to live with, & I'd resent being asked to upend my entire home life this way if the parent had had ample money but indulged himself his whole life instead of saving for his golden years.
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Post by charlatan on Jan 31, 2022 17:34:25 GMT
This is a concern I have in my family. My parents are lovely people but haven't been willing to have the difficult conversations about this, and they're in their early-mid 70s. My brother and I have been gently and not-so-gently encouraging them to make some decisions but it's been slow going.
A big problem is that no one in our family has a lot of money, so the cost for a good assisted living community is almost prohibitively expensive and while we would love for that to be where they end up, realistically that's unlikely to happen. My parents are finally realizing that their two story home with a steep driveway that my dad can barely navigate is not the best place for them, so when the market dies down a bit they'll look for a one story home with some aging-in-place options to make their lives easier while they're in that home.
As much as I love my parents, and my brother does too, we each have our own family and living situation concerns that mean we'd prefer to avoid having one or both of our parents live with us (and my parents agree). So right now we're just trying to get my parents to get comfortable enough to keep making plans, but we don't know what those final plans will be.
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Post by casii on Jan 31, 2022 17:37:05 GMT
My mom died while in poor shape and my dad was still her primary caretaker. He should not have been, but they both insisted that she would never go to assisted care. I doubt it would've been a viable option as they never had more than 2 nickels to rub together, but she should've had more hands on care. She fell constantly. Was always injured from the falls, but the minute my middle sis and I mentioned getting them help, they would shut down all communication. They wouldn't even entertain the subject of respite care. According to them, no one was coming to their house.
My dad would like to follow a similar path and he's a loner. Has one friend and a few acquaintances from his tiny church and a VA support group he goes to once in a while. If it came down to it, he says that the VA have homes, but I've visited a few and they don't seem great. He gets along most with my youngest sister who also lives closest, so that may be an option. He would be happier there because she defers to him in all things and he loves her husband, even urging her to stay with him after he got caught in an affair. My middle sis and I are on opposite ends of the spectrum politically, so he would not enjoy our homes where we don't constantly have to work politics into every other comment as an insult or dig.
As for my spouse and I, we don't expect our children to care for us in our senior years. I feel like many couldn't even if they wanted to. Their job prospects, housing market and debt loads aren't as favorable as ours were as young adults, so I wonder where their own personal status will be when they're in their 40's-50's, the sandwich years of possibly caring for both younger and older generation.
I wish there were easy answers. The older I get, the more I look in the mirror at my own aging reflection and the seed of worry grows about when the time comes and it's me who is discussed around the dinner table.
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Post by ~summer~ on Jan 31, 2022 17:39:03 GMT
I don’t expect any of them to “take care of” me but I do hope they will be in my life and offer support as I get older. My parents are now in their mid 70s and while they are still very active and completely independent- I do keep an eye on them as they change and get older and I try to just be there for them - this weekend I took my mom to an exhibit at a museum - and I made a resolution to start playing tennis with my dad. My mom and I also have some shared hobbies which are fun to talk about (kinda quirky hobbies lol). With the pandemic they are definitely more isolated so I try to be aware of that. I imagine they may always live independently - but they would never ask or even want to live with us. They do have a beach house that we all hang out together at - and that is really nice but enough “family time” for everyone lol.
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Post by GamGam on Jan 31, 2022 17:40:10 GMT
We (DH AND I) are the old parent. Do I expect our children to take us in? No. Do I want them to take us in? NO. I want and plan to live independently as long as I can drive. When it is time for assistance, I will move from our condo. But, the big issue will be where I move to. We do not live near any of our 3 children, and I do not want to leave my city. So the difficulty will be our decision as to where I live. I realize that some of the issues of no longer being independent do not have easy answers for any of us. But the relationships with our children are strong and loving, and for this reason, I anticipate a compromise for the best we can do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2022 17:41:29 GMT
My dad is on the fence. He saw his dad go downhill health wise and was basically forced into assisted living because his wife couldn't (wouldn't? I was a teenager during this and didn't like her) take care of him. He went into a place that was depressing, old, and ended up shut down about 5 years after he passed. Granted, Grandpa had a brain tumor that led to the nursing home. He also saw his MIL become housebound because she refused to leave her house. She lost friendships and the interactions she once loved. Dad doesn't want that either.
But he's stubborn and will stay in his house as long as he can and probably longer. Hopefully, he'll agree to at least a senior community some day. He'll just have to give up his cars.
I do not expect my kids to take care of me. I do not want to live alone in my old age so I'll go to a senior community that has different levels and go through them as needed.
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Post by Judy26 on Jan 31, 2022 17:41:44 GMT
My family has historically taken care of their elders. My parents took care of my grandparents. My mom is 87 and wants to stay at home. All 4 kids as well as grandchildren pitch in as needed to make this happen.
My DD worked in an assisted living establishment and after seeing Covid run rampant through the facility she said she would never put her parents in one unless we couldn’t be cared for at home medically.
I say never say never. But my family is quite close with few options in our rural area for assisted living so it’s only an option for us if a situation was critical.
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Post by bc2ca on Jan 31, 2022 17:42:15 GMT
My mom has dementia and as she progressed, my dad floated the idea that my sisters and I rotate living with them for a month at a time.
None of us were willing or able to leave our own families/jobs/lives for a month 4 times a year indefinitely. TBH, if it was just mom, 3 of us would have taken her in and worked with a home care service for at least a couple years before moving her to a fulltime care facility. None of us want to ever live with dad again.
Mom went into full time care 9 years ago and dad, thankfully, quickly decided to sell the big family home they'd still been living in. He moved into a really nice senior housing where he has his own apartment and a lot of amenities. It is a bit of a love/hate situation. He loves the location, not having to prepare most meals and housekeeping services and hates being surrounded by old people.
I'll be back to talk about MIL.
ETA DH's family does have an expectation that the kids will take care of the parents, especially the oldest daughter.
MIL's dream was all her adult kids and their families live with her which sometimes works and sometimes becomes a complicated mess of codependencies. Two of them were essentially dependent on her and there was a shift from MIL providing afterschool/daycare, housekeeping and meals to SIL and niece providing post-op care, getting her to medical appointments, church, social visits and housekeeping.
For her, it would be a point of shame and embarrassment to go into care.
DH and I don't have any expectations of our kids other than wanting to live close to them and probably making a move as they get settled in the next 5+ years.
My sisters and I have also talked about living together at some future point kind of Golden Girls style.
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Post by Zee on Jan 31, 2022 17:43:56 GMT
Expect them to? No.
My mom is not that much older than me (17 years) and I have a brother who is 22 years younger than me. He can probably take care of her better than I can when the time comes. We'll see. I live hundreds of miles away from them. I think she'll be around until she's 100 and I'll be long dead.
My dad is married to a woman who is 17 years younger than he is (4 years older than me) so I think he's set too. They've been together for over 30 years now.
DH and I help look after his mom though. When the time comes, and it may not be that far off (she's a very inactive 78 year old), we will look into assisted living but will help her remain independent for now.
I think she originally thought AL was "sending ma to the home" but when she saw her brother's AL set-up, she realized it can be really nice.
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Post by ntsf on Jan 31, 2022 17:44:28 GMT
I don't expect them to do day to day care, but I do expect some help with bill paying, or those sorts of things as we age. just went through this with my dad.. who lived at home til he died at 95. and am going through it with my mother in law, who is about 95. so, arranging help, helping with paperwork, etc. but not day to day. we have enough money we should be ok.
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Post by lucyg on Jan 31, 2022 17:47:30 GMT
I would never want my kids to have to take care of my day-to-day needs. I’d much rather be in assisted living, memory care, whatever was needed.
My 92yo mom still lives on her own in an independent-senior-living apartment, but my stepdad went into assisted living last year. Mom says she’ll go to the same place if she needs to. Right now she is fine … she doesn’t drive anymore, but she has several of us “kids” to haul her around. I take her grocery shopping once a week and my brother drops by to see her almost every day. But full-on care? I don’t think any of us are ready for that.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jan 31, 2022 17:49:30 GMT
I think expecting it wouldn't be wise.
However, we need to rethink this whole, "by god as an American I must live independently without intervention as long as humanly possible or I am a burden/snowflake/etc..." philosophy. It just plays into the pockets of the end stage capitalism belief that being old is a societal burden. At best the elderly are exploited for profit until there is nothing left, and at worst, ignored/discarded.
There has to be better ways to do this.
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Post by Monica* on Jan 31, 2022 17:49:33 GMT
My parents were in their 80s and well off when they transitioned from their home in Santa Monica to a nearby Independent/Assisted Living home about 5 years ago. My dad passed away after two years and my mom has been living alone there ever since in their beautiful unit overlooking the Santa Monica bay and Pier. She is way too private of a person to have family care for her. It's pricey, yes, but the sale of their home, along with monthly retirement income, is more than enough. My mom no longer drives and mostly is independent, using her cane to walk down to the dining room for meals, but we do have add-on services for personal bathing and medication. She is 85 and we will have to see what happens when the level of care they offer may not be enough. There is a possibility we might need to seek memory care for her at some point which they don't offer. For now, though, she is content with the beautiful view my dad so carefully picked out for her. He even was smart enough to lock in their rate for life. Thank you Dad!
This has been a model for me. I like the idea of aging in place, but I also know there are wonderful alternatives out there. One thing for sure is that I will not be asking my children to care for me. Oversee things, yes. But not hands-on care. DH and I have been saving our whole marriage thinking ahead to retirement. We still have some work to do to estimate expenses, but we have a nice nest egg ready to go so we can live out our years without requiring anything from our children except perhaps helps with decisions at the end.
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Post by scrapmaven on Jan 31, 2022 17:49:52 GMT
My mil lives in a place that we call The Cruise Ship. Though it's independent living there are assisted living levels that you can add to your monthly rent. All residents have state-of-the-art apartments. . It's swanky w/tons of activities and field trips for the residents. There's even a wine bar. It's not the death smell w/people in wheel chairs waiting to die. Mil's sister lives in the apartment next door to hers. That is comforting for all of us. However, it's pricey. There are still plenty of nursing home zoos out there, but there are some good places, too. You have to really do your homework.
Mil pays for levels of care. For instance, she's a fall risk, so she pays for a life alert type in-house service. She also pays for her meds to be dispensed and given to her. So, mil never has to worry about what to take or when or how to get it. The med techs check on her if they haven't seen her for a certain period of time. I've witnessed them coming to her door, because she forgot to push her "I'm awake and OK" button in the am. They race up there. Everyone is really friendly and the residents are happy. Some are in wheelchairs, some still drive and are mobile. Some like my mil need more care and they receive that care. There is a nurse practitioner who is in charge of the medical needs. The med techs are great about letting me know when she needs refills and statusing me when there's an issue.
The trick to finding good care homes is to look at the residents and the conditions? Do the residents look happy or are they bored w/looks of doom? What are the meals like? Is there a menu or do they serve institution mushy beef w/rice-a-roni and birdseye? Google the place and find reviews and even complaints. When the family is involved the care at some homes is better. You want to go to a place where the care is great no matter what.
If you put me in a place like the Cruise Ship I'd go, but I never want to go to a place where I'm there to die.
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Post by Merge on Jan 31, 2022 17:51:23 GMT
Expect? No. Our whole goal with retirement funding is independence in retirement, including senior/memory care if needed.
We will probably end up caring for MIL at some point or paying for her care in some way. Not sure how all that will work out.
We don't want our kids burdened with our personal care at the end of our lives if at all possible.
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Post by Merge on Jan 31, 2022 17:54:41 GMT
I think expecting it wouldn't be wise. However, we need to rethink this whole, "by god as an American I must live independently without intervention as long as humanly possible or I am a burden/snowflake/etc..." philosophy. It just plays into the pockets of the end stage capitalism belief that being old is a societal burden. At best the elderly are exploited for profit until there is nothing left, and at worst, ignored/discarded. There has to be better ways to do this. As it happens, my MIL and her siblings have come up with a solution that is working for them. A few spouses are still living, a few are gone, they all get along well and all live near each other. They take care of each other. They have dinner together most nights (two of the "boys" do all the cooking), drive each other around when someone is recovering from surgery, etc. They're all their 70s. MIL's brothers have installed the safety bars and other helps she's needed as she gets older. We've assured MIL that whatever happens towards the end of her life, she will not be ignored or discarded. We'll figure it out. DH is her oldest son. The younger two siblings are not going to be in much position to help. I'm not sure how it will all look, but we'll figure it out.
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Post by Zee on Jan 31, 2022 17:55:18 GMT
I'd prefer to just walk off a cliff if I needed more care than I could give myself, but my luck I'd probably just end up paralyzed.
But if the time comes, maybe I can just roll my hoveround over the edge of the Grand Canyon. With a little note at the rim not to hurry to retrieve my body, you know, maybe just get to it next time you're down there, sorry to be a bother 😁
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 31, 2022 17:55:18 GMT
I think expecting it wouldn't be wise. However, we need to rethink this whole, "by god as an American I must live independently without intervention as long as humanly possible or I am a burden/snowflake/etc..." philosophy. It just plays into the pockets of the end stage capitalism belief that being old is a societal burden. At best the elderly should be exploited for profit until there is nothing left, and at worst, ignored/discarded. There has to be better ways to do this. I agree with this 100%. I don't expect my kids literally to take care of me, but I expect that even once they are adults, I will be helping out with various things for them financially, physically, emotionally, etc -- I want to be in a position where, if they have kids, I can watch them in ways that are helpful, or help out with vacations, or help pay for graduate school, etc. I am hoping that when I am older and less capable, they will also help me. It depends on so many things -- me not being a jerk! Some flexibility on my part about where, geographically, to live! But my own grandmother lived with us most of my teen years until she died when I was 25 or so (she was not feeble, but couldn't drive or live completely independently -- she died of an e coli infection), and I just don't think of that arrangement as that weird (and our house has a mother-in-law apartment that currently is open to the rest of the house and occupied by a teenager, but could easily be reconfigured if my mother were to live here).
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 31, 2022 17:55:25 GMT
scrapmaven that sounds a lot like the place my grandpa was. He had his own apartment. And people would check in for meds and such. He did have an alarm system in case he fell. He just got a completely new lease on life there as opposed to his house. I have a very warm feeling about my grandpa's last year's.
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Post by peabay on Jan 31, 2022 17:57:51 GMT
No, but I do expect them to pay attention to me, include me in their events and visit etc... We've actually talked about it a good amount and they are aware of my expectations - which I don't think are grandiose. Senior/assisted living is fine - they don't need to build me an attached apartment, but don't forget I exist...
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Post by jeremysgirl on Jan 31, 2022 17:59:23 GMT
I think expecting it wouldn't be wise. However, we need to rethink this whole, "by god as an American I must live independently without intervention as long as humanly possible or I am a burden/snowflake/etc..." philosophy. It just plays into the pockets of the end stage capitalism belief that being old is a societal burden. At best the elderly are exploited for profit until there is nothing left, and at worst, ignored/discarded. There has to be better ways to do this. I completely agree with you. I'm just not sure what to do with a stubborn old man that mistreated me for so many years and then I am expected to care for him because he's too stubborn to go into assisted living. There is no way in hell I would ever take him into my home. My peace of mind is just way too precarious for that.
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