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Post by Really Red on Feb 24, 2022 14:29:16 GMT
My family is in Switzerland and my one daughter is there and the other in the UK, but they are young and don't see the seriousness of what is going on, I think. I wasn't specifically worried about my family because Switzerland is pretty safe, but I had two friends over the other night, one German and one Dutch and they say their parents are really, really worried and are considering coming to the US for a while. They are pretty aware people and I think their parents must be as well, so I trusted them, but I wouldn't have necessarily thought people in Germany and The Netherlands were worried about their own safety.
I hope you all feel safe.
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Post by gar on Feb 24, 2022 14:44:38 GMT
I'm not worried about physical harm at this point, no...but cost of fuel etc will massively go up and I think the potential cyber war is more concerning.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 24, 2022 15:04:54 GMT
Thanks for the thread and the worry expressed for the minorty EuroPeas. I feel like the discussion has mostly been "Putin this, Putin that, our forces" and fuck the civilians, what civilians? so far. It's kind of easy to remain detached when you don't live on a continent that has been the theatre of the bulk of wars. We're just depressing entertainment far, far away.
I see no reason to flee or worry much for now. I am keeping an eye on the Balkans since it's clear Putin wants to create an enclave around Western Europe and has been very active fueling his anti-EU shit there, particularly Serbia (there has been a lot of discussion about the impact of the EU funds in the Balkans in late 2021 but I'd venture to guess anyone not particularly into EU affairs would not know about this or the impact of the conclusions of these talks on the region).
I am in France which is the world's third largest nuclear weapons force in the world with over 300 nuclear warheads. We are in a privileged position in terms of deterrence. My life is not at stake nor do I feel like it is. It's really unfair to reduce the current happenings to me. I stand very little chance. Putin's not coming here: he's looking to cut us off geographically and be the wall between Europe and Asia to increase his geopolitical power and returns (financially and economically). This is an emperor who doesn't like us but doesn't need to actually attack us militarily directly to pursue his ambitious goals. We will be just fine (except for the cost to carry by all EU members for Germany losing its big gas supply *deep sigh* and the already immediate impact of the war re: stock markets).
There is no reason to leave Western Europe. There is reason to really, really worry about Eastern Europe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 15:28:32 GMT
My family is in Switzerland and my one daughter is there and the other in the UK, but they are young and don't see the seriousness of what is going on, I think. I wasn't specifically worried about my family because Switzerland is pretty safe, but I had two friends over the other night, one German and one Dutch and they say their parents are really, really worried and are considering coming to the US for a while. They are pretty aware people and I think their parents must be as well, so I trusted them, but I wouldn't have necessarily thought people in Germany and The Netherlands were worried about their own safety. I hope you all feel safe. No, I'm not worried about it physically but there are other things that may impact us as well as the rest of Europe which will probably affect our day to day lives. Probably the biggest one is a cyber attack IMO. I think, with respect, that your friends are being over the top cautious at the moment in considering leaving their countries.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 24, 2022 15:38:17 GMT
My friend's family is in Poland - they're terrified. I don't know how much is an expectation of attack in the future, dealing with the coming refugee crisis or just seeing yet again Russian becoming aggressive.
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Post by casii on Feb 24, 2022 15:45:19 GMT
I have family near Porvoo close to Helsinki, Finland and they don't like the language Putin has used towards several European countries especially since they're pretty much on the border with Russia. We haven't heard from them since the news broke that Putin had officially invaded Ukraine. There's a group family chat going so I'm hoping they'll check in soon.
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Post by gillyp on Feb 24, 2022 15:47:38 GMT
I’m anxious. I’m more worried about this than I am about Covid and I don’t normally worry about things. I think this is what comes of being the child of parents who went through WWII and were both young during WWI. I have European cousins whose parents had to flee their homeland and others who had to change their surnames so they didn’t stand out. Their experiences all left a big impression on me.
I’m not worried for my physical safety, I’m worried for our economy. I am worried for Eastern Europe and what might happen to the civilians. On the lunchtime news the reporters were questioning Russians on the street and all bar one was saying this is not a Russian war, it’s a Kremlin war. That hardly matters, if the troops are told to attack then they will.
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Post by auntkelly on Feb 24, 2022 16:35:11 GMT
Thanks for the thread and the worry expressed for the minorty EuroPeas. I feel like the discussion has mostly been "Putin this, Putin that, our forces" and fuck the civilians, what civilians? so far. It's kind of easy to remain detached when you don't live on a continent that has been the theatre of the bulk of wars. We're just depressing entertainment far, far away. I certainly can’t speak for all Americans, but I’ve been glued to the news for the last 24 hours and I would say at least 50% of the coverage has focused on ordinary Ukrainians. I find it very depressing and not at all entertaining. I think the coverage has been respectful and the Ukrainians who have been interviewed seem anxious to share their stories with the world. I’m in awe of how composed most of them are. Naturally, the coverage is focusing on the impact of Putin’s actions on Ukrainian citizens, and not European citizens in general, but any American who has paid attention to the news at all in the last week understands how Putin’s actions in Ukraine could have far reaching consequences in Europe and elsewhere in the world. If nothing else, Americans have seen so many maps on the news recently that even those of us who aren’t very good at geography understand exactly where Ukraine is located and why that area is so strategically important.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 24, 2022 16:49:19 GMT
Naturally, the coverage is focusing on the impact of Putin’s actions on Ukrainian citizens, and not European citizens in general, but any American who has paid attention to the news at all in the last week understands how Putin’s actions in Ukraine could have far reaching consequences in Europe and elsewhere in the world. I was talking about the board. ![:wink:](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I don't watch US news (obviously since I don't live in America ![:laugh:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ivm7lm0DayrhoRpwvCeH.jpg) ).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 16:50:09 GMT
I am burying my head in the sand on this one and wishing that Brambly Hedge was real because at times it would be nice to move there !
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Post by tommygirl on Feb 24, 2022 17:00:56 GMT
My 20 y/o dd is in Prague on a semester abroad program. I am wondering how worried I should be for her.
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Post by Basket1lady on Feb 24, 2022 17:12:53 GMT
Thanks for the thread and the worry expressed for the minorty EuroPeas. I feel like the discussion has mostly been "Putin this, Putin that, our forces" and fuck the civilians, what civilians? so far. It's kind of easy to remain detached when you don't live on a continent that has been the theatre of the bulk of wars. We're just depressing entertainment far, far away. I see no reason to flee or worry much for now. I am keeping an eye on the Balkans since it's clear Putin wants to create an enclave around Western Europe and has been very active fueling his anti-EU shit there, particularly Serbia (there has been a lot of discussion about the impact of the EU funds in the Balkans in late 2021 but I'd venture to guess anyone not particularly into EU affairs would not know about this or the impact of the conclusions of these talks on the region). I am in France which is the world's third largest nuclear weapons force in the world with over 300 nuclear warheads. We are in a privileged position in terms of deterrence. My life is not at stake nor do I feel like it is. It's really unfair to reduce the current happenings to me. I stand very little chance. Putin's not coming here: he's looking to cut us off geographically and be the wall between Europe and Asia to increase his geopolitical power and returns (financially and economically). This is an emperor who doesn't like us but doesn't need to actually attack us militarily directly to pursue his ambitious goals. We will be just fine (except for the cost to carry by all EU members for Germany losing its big gas supply *deep sigh* and the already immediate impact of the war re: stock markets). There is no reason to leave Western Europe. There is reason to really, really worry about Eastern Europe. I couldn’t have said it better myself. I’m worried. Worried for what this will do to Ukraine, worried about how this will affect the rest of the world, worried about Putin not being happy with this little piece of the pie… But I don’t fear an imminent attack.
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Post by Enna on Feb 24, 2022 17:17:40 GMT
I live in Finland so I'm worried. More worried than I've ever been. But life here continues as normal and I don't really want to give my worries too much space.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 24, 2022 17:23:36 GMT
My 20 y/o dd is in Prague on a semester abroad program. I am wondering how worried I should be for her. She's in the EU, she'll be fine. I understand your worry, however! Hugs to you and your daughter. It must feel weird for her.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 24, 2022 17:26:00 GMT
I live in Finland so I'm worried. More worried than I've ever been. But life here continues as normal and I don't really want to give my worries too much space. Considering we're using the term finlandisation for Ukraine right now (which refers to being forced to mandatory neutrality for those not in the know), I totally understand your worries and fears. It must be very uncomfortable up there right by Russia. It does look like Putin is fully focused on the region to the south of Russia so it's very unlikely he'll suddenly move to Finland but still, ugh, to live so close! ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg) Big hugs.
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Post by Basket1lady on Feb 24, 2022 17:26:17 GMT
My 20 y/o dd is in Prague on a semester abroad program. I am wondering how worried I should be for her. She's in the EU, she'll be fine. I understand your worry, however! Hugs to you and your daughter. It must feel weird for her. I just asked DH (who works for Nato). He says that He Who Must Not Be Named likes to get in quickly and grab power. He's unlikely to mess with a NATO or EU nation and bring down the wrath of all those collective powers. But I don't blame you for worrying.
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Post by sleepingbooty on Feb 24, 2022 17:39:13 GMT
She's in the EU, she'll be fine. I understand your worry, however! Hugs to you and your daughter. It must feel weird for her. I just asked DH (who works for Nato). He says that He Who Must Not Be Named likes to get in quickly and grab power. He's unlikely to mess with a NATO or EU nation and bring down the wrath of all those collective powers. But I don't blame you for worrying. Same confidence from within the EU sphere. I have a couple of friends working in Strasbourg and others in Brussels, there's no way Putin attacks EU. That changes the game entirely. Ukraine is in the unfortunate lone ex-Eastern Bloc wolf position (that Russia and Putin have kept them in over the decades), outside of NATO and the EU.
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Post by Really Red on Feb 24, 2022 17:48:22 GMT
My friend's family is in Poland - they're terrified. I don't know how much is an expectation of attack in the future, dealing with the coming refugee crisis or just seeing yet again Russian becoming aggressive. I am so sorry. I hope they stay safe. I can see why they'd be terrified. I am burying my head in the sand on this one and wishing that Brambly Hedge was real because at times it would be nice to move there ! Ahh. If it weren't for the mice, that'd be nice My 20 y/o dd is in Prague on a semester abroad program. I am wondering how worried I should be for her. I am sure you're worried regardless. I think the Czech Republic is hopefully far enough away to be safe. It stinks that your DD finally got to go on a semester abroad program and now there are additional worries. I live in Finland so I'm worried. More worried than I've ever been. But life here continues as normal and I don't really want to give my worries too much space. I can see why you're worried. I am glad life is going on normally there and hope that continues. I just asked DH (who works for Nato). He says that He Who Must Not Be Named likes to get in quickly and grab power. He's unlikely to mess with a NATO or EU nation and bring down the wrath of all those collective powers. But I don't blame you for worrying. Thank you for this. I worry though, that he'll start gobbling up all he can and then get bigger and more powerful. This is such a sad situation. I hope everyone continues to stay and feel safe.
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Post by auntkelly on Feb 24, 2022 17:51:54 GMT
Naturally, the coverage is focusing on the impact of Putin’s actions on Ukrainian citizens, and not European citizens in general, but any American who has paid attention to the news at all in the last week understands how Putin’s actions in Ukraine could have far reaching consequences in Europe and elsewhere in the world. I was talking about the board. ![:wink:](//storage2.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I don't watch US news (obviously since I don't live in America ![:laugh:](//storage2.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ivm7lm0DayrhoRpwvCeH.jpg) ). I see. I almost never post on or read the political threads, so I did jump to the conclusion that you were talking about non-Europeans in general. I just wanted to assure you (for what my opinion is worth) that people in general are deeply concerned about what is happening in Ukraine and how that will effect the lives of ordinary Ukrainians and all Europeans. Honestly, it makes me sad to think that Ukrainians or other Europeans might be thinking that the rest of the world doesn’t care or think about them. I know that is probably the least of their concern right now, but it still makes me sad. I just wish I had the power to do something more than care right now.
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Post by huskergal on Feb 24, 2022 17:57:09 GMT
My brother lives in Latvia. The Baltic states are very worried.
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Post by sawwhet on Feb 24, 2022 18:04:24 GMT
I have relatives in east Slovakia. I'm not really close to them but I have been to visit and stayed at their homes. I'm concerned about their safety.
Strangely, when I went to visit them in the 80's, there were Russian military planes that had a base in the area. We heard them all the time.
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Post by miominmio on Feb 24, 2022 18:39:10 GMT
I am not worried about an attack with conventional forces, but I do worry about cyber warfare against important infrastructure. And soaring prices on food and fuel is a worry. For those who do not know: Ukraine and Russia are two of the world largest producers of wheat, and this will affect food prices worldwide. Same goes for the price of all kinds of fuel. We share a border with Russia, and they have become increasingly brazen in their border violations the past decade. At least we’re a member of NATO, and I would be even more worried if I was in Sweden and in particular in Finland.
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Post by pilcas on Feb 24, 2022 18:53:40 GMT
While being afraid for ones physical well being is probably a bit premature, one can be certain that if he succeeds in Ukraine it will encourage him to look around a bit more. And let’s not forget the ability of cyber hacks to influence unrest within Europe and the US.
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Post by fiddlesticks on Feb 24, 2022 20:16:18 GMT
I just asked DH (who works for Nato). He says that He Who Must Not Be Named likes to get in quickly and grab power. He's unlikely to mess with a NATO or EU nation and bring down the wrath of all those collective powers. But I don't blame you for worrying. Same confidence from within the EU sphere. I have a couple of friends working in Strasbourg and others in Brussels, there's no way Putin attacks EU. That changes the game entirely. Ukraine is in the unfortunate lone ex-Eastern Bloc wolf position (that Russia and Putin have kept them in over the decades), outside of NATO and the EU. I was just wondering on the other thread why the Ukraine was the target given all the others that border. Thank you!
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Post by sassyangel on Feb 24, 2022 20:36:09 GMT
I worry most for the all the people in the former Soviet republic countries. They seem to be the target of his imperial focus. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg) He will be emboldened to go after them next (with no real resistance) if he gets Ukraine, which I think is the unfortunate inevitable outcome here. 😕
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