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Post by zima on Mar 15, 2022 13:36:59 GMT
"Idaho just became the first state to pass a law modeled after Texas’ draconian six-week abortion ban that financially incentivizes private citizens to enforce the law. The Idaho House of Representatives passed S.B. 1309 on Monday evening in a 51 to 14 vote, just weeks after the Senate passed it. Republican Gov. Brad Little is expected to sign it into law, and it will likely go into effect sometime in April, months before a decision is expected in the U.S. Supreme Court case currently threatening the constitutional right to abortion. The bill is modeled after Texas’ six-week abortion ban that went into effect in September. The Idaho bill is somewhat different because it limits who can sue and who can be sued, unlike Texas, which allows anyone in the state to sue a person or provider who helps a woman get an abortion after the six-week point. In Idaho, the bill can only be enforced by the patient and their family members including the father of the fetus. Additionally, the only people who can be sued under the Idaho bill are abortion providers. In the Texas law, anyone from an Uber driver to a friend of a patient is vulnerable to a civil lawsuit."
"Roe is the settled law of the land" sounds just as stupid now as "but her emails", doesn't it?
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casii
Drama Llama
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Jun 29, 2014 14:40:44 GMT
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Post by casii on Mar 15, 2022 14:11:56 GMT
I feel an overwhelming urge to burn something. I can't imagine why.
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Post by zima on Mar 15, 2022 14:34:25 GMT
I feel an overwhelming urge to burn something. I can't imagine why. I get it. But it would be healthier for you and more productive to the women of the US to donate, volunteer, etc.
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casii
Drama Llama
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Jun 29, 2014 14:40:44 GMT
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Post by casii on Mar 15, 2022 14:36:27 GMT
I feel an overwhelming urge to burn something. I can't imagine why. I get it. But it would be healthier for you and more productive to the women of the US to donate, volunteer, etc.
I donate and actually freaked my DH out when I went to PP for a yearly check up after my midwife retired (my youngest is only 26, how dare she? lol). But this relentless assault upon women is insanity.
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Post by malibou on Mar 15, 2022 15:08:00 GMT
I am so over these crack pots! I don't want to ever wish any type of unwanted pregnancy on anyone, I hope that each motherfucker that signed that shitty bill finds themselves raising their grandchildren because their daughters have sensibly run off after being forced to have a baby they don't want, can't handle, didn't ask for.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 16, 2022 0:55:26 GMT
Interesting.... Women hating on women!! Women are the originators of most abortions bills of late, weilding great power, and the old GOP white men are glad to have them do it for them!! An army of Republican Karens has been unleashedAmanda Marcotte, Commentary March 15, 2022 After Texas passed a sweeping abortion ban that outlaws any pregnancy termination two weeks after the missed period, what happened is exactly what pro-choicers predicted would happen: Women did whatever it takes to end unwanted pregnancies anyway. Initial misleading reports claimed abortions in the Lonestar state went down 60%, a figure heavily hyped by anti-choicers who want to pretend that women are easily swayed from the abortion decision. Soon, however, the truth came out: Nearly all Texas women who wanted abortions got them by either going out of state or buying abortion pills online. The actual abortion rate was only down 10%. No doubt the few who were forced into unwanted childbirth were the most vulnerable Texans: Teenagers, immigrants, and poor women who don't have the means to find alternatives. Republicans did not take the news about the real Texas abortion rate well, and their reaction was, naturally, to double down on the misogyny and sadism. In Missouri, a bill was immediately proposed to ban interstate travel to get an abortion. The law, if passed, would allow anyone who wishes to sue someone who helps a patient leave the state to get an abortion. Neighbors who disapprove of parents helping a daughter get an abortion? Angry men who want to punish an ex by suing a friend who gave her a ride? Now they aren't just being invited to lash out in a misogynist rage, but to make money in doing so. The face of this bill — let's call it the Nosy Neighbor And Wife Beater Empowerment Act — is a woman, Republican state Rep. Mary Elizabeth Coleman.A lot of folks remain surprised that a woman would back a law that literally wants to punish pregnant women by imprisoning them. So the phrase "internalized misogyny" got tossed around quite a bit to diagnose Coleman. But that, frankly, is an inadequate explanation. With Coleman and women like her — and there are many women like her — it's more useful to think of externalized misogyny. In a male-dominated system, especially in red states and the Republican circles that these women move in, women are largely shut out of holding much real power. So these women are gaining power the best way they know how, by attacking other women. And the Republican Party, which is controlled by men, is only too happy to let the public face of misogyny be a female oneA couple of years ago, the slang term "Karen" exploded into the national consciousness. It referred to white women who leverage racism and white supremacy in order to feel powerful, often by calling the cops on Black people for such non-crimes such as birding in Central Park, having picnics at the lake, or letting small children run lemonade stands. Gender played a central role in the public imagination of the Karen — but not because white women are any more racist than white men. It's because these women snatch power by play-acting feminine helplessness, often crying or acting scared in order to keep the upper hand. These women exploit their socially allowed role of being scared little girls in order to be big old bullies. And this Karen dynamic is very much in play with female anti-choicers who generally play to sexist stereotypes, casting themselves as tender-hearted baby enthusiasts just indulging a maternal instinct. Like the Karens who pretend they're just trying to protect the delicate white women from Black people having picnics or watching birds, anti-choice Karens like to pretend they're just in this to protect other women. They often speak of other women as having no sexual desires of their own and needing to be shielded from the supposed evils of oversexed men forcing abortion upon them. There's heavy use of the phrases "as a mother" and "women deserve better than abortion." In reality, of course, these Republican women are sadists, which is evident in their opposition to health care and the adequate child care necessary to have the babies they wish to force on other women. They go after other women for the same reason the cop-calling Karens go after Black people: Women are easy targets. And it's even easier because, to deflect from accusations of misogyny, the Republican Party desperately wants to put female faces on the flood of abortion bans they're passing. For a woman who yearns to dominate others, being the official author of these bills is an easy way to fulfill that desire. Look at Republican legislators, and you'll see a sea of nearly all-male faces. But when it comes to anti-choice bills, the sponsors are disproportionately women.
Rep. Rebecca Alexander sponsored the proposed abortion ban in Tennessee. In Florida, it's Sen. Kelli Stargel. The Karen behind Idaho's newly passed abortion ban is Sen. Patti Lodge. In Pennsylvania, the Karen du jour is Sen. Judy Ward. The Mississippi abortion ban that the Supreme Court is likely to use to overturn Roe v. Wade? Written by state Rep. Becky Currie. The lady-sponsored misogyny is even branching out beyond abortion bans. In Wyoming, an attempt to abolish gender studies in universities was spearheaded by state Sen. Cheri Steinmetz.The most obvious example of this trend, of course, is Justice Amy Coney Barrett, Donald Trump's appointment to replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Supreme Court. Nominating an over-the-top Aunt Lydia type to fill the seat of the beloved feminist was a standard Trump troll. Barrett's gender stands out among Trump appointees to the judiciary, 76% of whom were men. Republicans want the deciding vote on the overturn of Roe v. Wade to be a woman — she'll probably even be allowed to write the decision — just so they can say "neener neener she can't hate women because she is a woman." But just because Barrett is a woman doesn't mean she can't hate women. On the contrary, her contempt for other women was on full display during arguments over the Mississippi abortion ban, in which she repeatedly insisted that it was no big deal to endure a forced pregnancy because "you can terminate parental rights" after birth. Barrett didn't think twice about the immense amount of suffering this would cause other women — the pain and suffering of childbirth, the months of nosy questions about a pregnant body, the stress at work and at home from being pregnant against one's will. Or worse, she has thought about it, and gets off on how much power she has to inflict massive suffering on other women. Republicans want women to be the public face of the anti-choice movement for the blunt and obvious reason that it helps derail conversations into "debates" over whether or not women can hate women. But the psychology of the misogynist Karens isn't even that complex. The nosy neighbor, the scolding church lady, the prudish mother who bans her daughter from dating, the teacher who shames female students for wearing miniskirts: Female bullies are all around us. Like most bullies, they are cowards who prefer to punch down. And other women just happen to be easy targets.www.rawstory.com/an-army-of-republican-karens-have-been-unleashed/#cxrecs_s
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michellegb
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Post by michellegb on Mar 16, 2022 10:11:11 GMT
The number of mean, vicious, pompous, righteous, nasty people that are being given opportunities to spread their particlar brand of hate lately is astounding and disheartening. I ask this sincerely - is it really that hard to live and let live? You do you and as long as no one is getting hurt or taken advantage of, let others live their lives as they see fit. Damn. It must suck to to have nothing better in your life than time to make plans to tell others how to live. I am well and truly scared for the future of anyone who isn't a white heterosexual (at least outwardly ) male in this country. The idiots are now running the villages.
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Post by zima on Mar 16, 2022 13:23:04 GMT
is it really that hard to live and let live Yes. It is. They have been told that they must take "dominion" over the entire world. Most people have no idea the vile ideas that are spread in churches all across this country. Then the churchgoers are activated to go out and vote, donate, protest, and they do. They have the "fear of hell" on their side. Our side needs to vote, donate, protest in greater numbers. But we can only appeal to people's humanity and sense of fairness. We don't get to fill their heads w/thoughts of "eternal damnation" if they don't do as we'd like them to do. "How extremist Christian theology is driving the right-wing assault on democracy. The Texas abortion law is one step toward the true goal of Christian dominionism: Destroying democratic government" www.salon.com/2021/10/31/how-extremist-christian-theology-is-driving-the-right-wing-on-democracy/Christianity is not a democracy. Nor does it really care about democracy - except as just another vehicle to share their ideas of "dominion".
Their mantra is to "go and take possession of the land" (Numbers 33:53 and Deuteronomy 1:8 ). They took those verses and formed the 7 mountains mandate. Completely ignoring John 18:36.
Picking and choosing their favorite bible parts and ignoring the others is one of their favorite pastimes. I'm surprised they don't lobby to make it an Olympic sport.
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Post by Merge on Mar 16, 2022 14:35:02 GMT
Interesting.... Women hating on women!! Women are the originators of most abortions bills of late, yielding great power, and the old GOP white men are glad to have them do it for them!! An army of Republican Karens has been unleashedAmanda Marcotte, Commentary March 15, 2022 After Texas passed a sweeping abortion ban that outlaws any pregnancy termination two weeks after the missed period, what happened is exactly what pro-choicers predicted would happen: Women did whatever it takes to end unwanted pregnancies anyway. Initial misleading reports claimed abortions in the Lonestar state went down 60%, a figure heavily hyped by anti-choicers who want to pretend that women are easily swayed from the abortion decision. Soon, however, the truth came out: Nearly all Texas women who wanted abortions got them by either going out of state or buying abortion pills online. The actual abortion rate was only down 10%. No doubt the few who were forced into unwanted childbirth were the most vulnerable Texans: Teenagers, immigrants, and poor women who don't have the means to find alternatives. Republicans did not take the news about the real Texas abortion rate well, and their reaction was, naturally, to double down on the misogyny and sadism. In Missouri, a bill was immediately proposed to ban interstate travel to get an abortion. The law, if passed, would allow anyone who wishes to sue someone who helps a patient leave the state to get an abortion. Neighbors who disapprove of parents helping a daughter get an abortion? Angry men who want to punish an ex by suing a friend who gave her a ride? Now they aren't just being invited to lash out in a misogynist rage, but to make money in doing so. The face of this bill — let's call it the Nosy Neighbor And Wife Beater Empowerment Act — is a woman, Republican state Rep. Mary Elizabeth Coleman.A lot of folks remain surprised that a woman would back a law that literally wants to punish pregnant women by imprisoning them. So the phrase "internalized misogyny" got tossed around quite a bit to diagnose Coleman. But that, frankly, is an inadequate explanation. With Coleman and women like her — and there are many women like her — it's more useful to think of externalized misogyny. In a male-dominated system, especially in red states and the Republican circles that these women move in, women are largely shut out of holding much real power. So these women are gaining power the best way they know how, by attacking other women. And the Republican Party, which is controlled by men, is only too happy to let the public face of misogyny be a female oneA couple of years ago, the slang term "Karen" exploded into the national consciousness. It referred to white women who leverage racism and white supremacy in order to feel powerful, often by calling the cops on Black people for such non-crimes such as birding in Central Park, having picnics at the lake, or letting small children run lemonade stands. Gender played a central role in the public imagination of the Karen — but not because white women are any more racist than white men. It's because these women snatch power by play-acting feminine helplessness, often crying or acting scared in order to keep the upper hand. These women exploit their socially allowed role of being scared little girls in order to be big old bullies. And this Karen dynamic is very much in play with female anti-choicers who generally play to sexist stereotypes, casting themselves as tender-hearted baby enthusiasts just indulging a maternal instinct. Like the Karens who pretend they're just trying to protect the delicate white women from Black people having picnics or watching birds, anti-choice Karens like to pretend they're just in this to protect other women. They often speak of other women as having no sexual desires of their own and needing to be shielded from the supposed evils of oversexed men forcing abortion upon them. There's heavy use of the phrases "as a mother" and "women deserve better than abortion." In reality, of course, these Republican women are sadists, which is evident in their opposition to health care and the adequate child care necessary to have the babies they wish to force on other women. They go after other women for the same reason the cop-calling Karens go after Black people: Women are easy targets. And it's even easier because, to deflect from accusations of misogyny, the Republican Party desperately wants to put female faces on the flood of abortion bans they're passing. For a woman who yearns to dominate others, being the official author of these bills is an easy way to fulfill that desire. Look at Republican legislators, and you'll see a sea of nearly all-male faces. But when it comes to anti-choice bills, the sponsors are disproportionately women.
Rep. Rebecca Alexander sponsored the proposed abortion ban in Tennessee. In Florida, it's Sen. Kelli Stargel. The Karen behind Idaho's newly passed abortion ban is Sen. Patti Lodge. In Pennsylvania, the Karen du jour is Sen. Judy Ward. The Mississippi abortion ban that the Supreme Court is likely to use to overturn Roe v. Wade? Written by state Rep. Becky Currie. The lady-sponsored misogyny is even branching out beyond abortion bans. In Wyoming, an attempt to abolish gender studies in universities was spearheaded by state Sen. Cheri Steinmetz.The most obvious example of this trend, of course, is Justice Amy Coney Barrett, Donald Trump's appointment to replace Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg on the Supreme Court. Nominating an over-the-top Aunt Lydia type to fill the seat of the beloved feminist was a standard Trump troll. Barrett's gender stands out among Trump appointees to the judiciary, 76% of whom were men. Republicans want the deciding vote on the overturn of Roe v. Wade to be a woman — she'll probably even be allowed to write the decision — just so they can say "neener neener she can't hate women because she is a woman." But just because Barrett is a woman doesn't mean she can't hate women. On the contrary, her contempt for other women was on full display during arguments over the Mississippi abortion ban, in which she repeatedly insisted that it was no big deal to endure a forced pregnancy because "you can terminate parental rights" after birth. Barrett didn't think twice about the immense amount of suffering this would cause other women — the pain and suffering of childbirth, the months of nosy questions about a pregnant body, the stress at work and at home from being pregnant against one's will. Or worse, she has thought about it, and gets off on how much power she has to inflict massive suffering on other women. Republicans want women to be the public face of the anti-choice movement for the blunt and obvious reason that it helps derail conversations into "debates" over whether or not women can hate women. But the psychology of the misogynist Karens isn't even that complex. The nosy neighbor, the scolding church lady, the prudish mother who bans her daughter from dating, the teacher who shames female students for wearing miniskirts: Female bullies are all around us. Like most bullies, they are cowards who prefer to punch down. And other women just happen to be easy targets.www.rawstory.com/an-army-of-republican-karens-have-been-unleashed/#cxrecs_sSadly, it’s common for women (like the Aunt Lydia character) to align themselves with the male power base because they perceive it to be the best way for them to have some degree of power and safety. For those moments when it feels too much, their religion reminds them that their job is to be submissive and to men, and thus to stay quiet even when the laws they support hurt them directly. We see this playing out in the schools as well, where some women are the loudest voices in the attempt to destroy public schools by labeling teachers - the vast majority of whom are women - as indoctrinators and “groomers.”
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Post by zima on Mar 16, 2022 21:51:19 GMT
"On Monday, the Idaho House passed Senate Bill 1309, which, like in Texas, would prevent pregnant people from obtaining abortions after six weeks. Idaho’s spin? Rather than empowering any old private citizens to sue to enforce the law, it specifically allows family members of the fetus—including family members of a rapists— to sue abortion providers for up to four years after the procedure, for a minimum of $20,000 in damages. While Idaho has so humanely said that the rapists themselves could not sue, under the proposed legislation, they could get their parents and siblings to do so, as well as the would-be brothers and sisters of the fetus in question. Oh, and apparently nothing in the bill would prevent a rapist with, say, 10 siblings from having every single one of them sue individually and then collecting their cash." www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/idaho-abortion-bill-rapist-families/amp
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