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Post by buddysmom on Mar 18, 2022 20:18:15 GMT
My DD is thinking of getting one; she had to fill out an application so I don't know what else they will ask, etc.
She lives in a condo, is that allowable?
But they are so cute, she has grown up with a golden, boxer, and we currently have a lab so she's used to big dogs.
This pup is only expected to be about 60 lbs.
Thanks!
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Post by busy on Mar 18, 2022 20:44:19 GMT
Please don't. Bernese Mountain Dogs are prone to quite a number of serious genetic cancers and joint conditions. Health clearances and intimate genetic knowledge of previous generations are essential in this breed to have the best chance of breeding healthy pups. Reputable breeders do all those things, and would never allow one of their dogs to be used for breeding Bernedoodles. That means the Berners being used to breed Bernedoodles are coming from breeders who are in it for profit, not preserving the breed. They don't do the proper health clearances, they breed their dogs far too young, they have too many litters, and the end result is breeding stock that is at much higher risk for some serious health issues ... and puppies that are too. Not to mention, despite being cute, Bernedoodles make no sense to me from a personality perspective. The two breeds are at opposite ends of the spectrum in personalities and the best part of a Berner is its gentle, laid back, calm, devoted personality. If that's not what someone wants, get a different breed. So You Want a Bernedoodle? From the Bernese Mountain Dog Club of America: |
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Post by mom2jnk on Mar 18, 2022 21:06:10 GMT
Please don't. Bernese Mountain Dogs are prone to quite a number of serious genetic cancers and joint conditions. Health clearances and intimate genetic knowledge of previous generations are essential in this breed to have the best chance of breeding healthy pups. Reputable breeders do all those things, and would never allow one of their dogs to be used for breeding Bernedoodles. That means the Berners being used to breed Bernedoodles are coming from breeders who are in it for profit, not preserving the breed. They don't do the proper health clearances, they breed their dogs far too young, they have too many litters, and the end result is breeding stock that is at much higher risk for some serious health issues ... and puppies that are too. Not to mention, despite being cute, Bernedoodles make no sense to me from a personality perspective. The two breeds are at opposite ends of the spectrum in personalities and the best part of a Berner is its gentle, laid back, calm, devoted personality. If that's not what someone wants, get a different breed. This. 100% this. Breeders who produce the wide variety of "designer doodle" crosses and pups with the sole purpose of "designer" colors like "silver" and "charcoal" labs are almost never focused on breeding healthy pups with the best genetics. Just walk away...no matter how cute the puppies might be. |
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Post by Merge on Mar 18, 2022 21:25:30 GMT
Our friends have one. He ate an entire beach towel as a giant puppy and had to have emergency surgery to remove it.
He’s super cute but behaviorally challenged. He wasn’t supposed to be really big, but he’s about 80 lbs now. Breeders can’t accurately predict size/weight with these crosses.
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Post by calgaryscrapper on Mar 18, 2022 22:54:40 GMT
Check with the Condo board. Sometimes they don’t allow pets and sometimes they have weight limits on pets.
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Post by Gennifer on Mar 18, 2022 23:59:58 GMT
THIS. Having said that, my sister has two… full siblings but not from the same litter. One is 75 pounds, and the other is maybe 15. Their coats are completely different, too… she was advised by the “breeder” (and I use that term loosely!) that their coat may change drastically during puberty, so what you see with a puppy may not be what you get. I don’t understand the mindset behind these intentional “designer” litters. Either choose a breed for its known characteristics, or adopt a mixed-breed if you’re more flexible. Don’t support breeders who are just out to make a buck. |
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Post by tentoes on Mar 19, 2022 0:06:46 GMT
My daughter's family has one, and he's adorable and friendly, and well-mannered. He CAN get hyper when his sibling (owned by their friends) visits. He does have a lot of allergies that require a lot of vet visits. Not sure how much he weighs, but my dog is 42 pounds and her dog is quite a bit more.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Mar 19, 2022 1:49:27 GMT
 I have nothing against pure-bred dogs, as I have owned Groenendaels and now own an Epagneul Breton. We are also, as a family, involved in animal rescue. A bernerdoodle (or any XXXdoodle) is nothing more than a mixed breed dog that you are paying top dollar for. Unless you are buying from a top breeder who is truly trying to develop a new breed, which means focusing on bloodlines, health of parents, etc, you are just contributing to the breeding for profit problem & pet over-population problem. Your DD should know already if her condo allows a large dog. She also needs to have ample time to commit to exercise and training this dog. Having a pet in a condo/apt is very much different from having a family pet with others to assist with care - and a backyard to just let them out to run in rather than daily walks.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 19, 2022 14:09:40 GMT
I have nothing against pure-bred dogs, as I have owned Groenendaels and now own an Epagneul Breton. We are also, as a family, involved in animal rescue. A bernerdoodle (or any XXXdoodle) is nothing more than a mixed breed dog that you are paying top dollar for. Unless you are buying from a top breeder who is truly trying to develop a new breed, which means focusing on bloodlines, health of parents, etc, you are just contributing to the breeding for profit problem & pet over-population problem. Your DD should know already if her condo allows a large dog. She also needs to have ample time to commit to exercise and training this dog. Having a pet in a condo/apt is very much different from having a family pet with others to assist with care - and a backyard to just let them out to run in rather than daily walks. We refer to them as designer mutts. |
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Post by CeeScraps on Mar 19, 2022 15:28:15 GMT
This breed of dog is not meant for a condo. That to me would be cruel for such a large dog to be in such a small space. She needs a backyard with a fence to allow the dog to play.
Please encourage her to look for a smaller breed dog.
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Post by mom2jnk on Mar 19, 2022 16:26:04 GMT
Crossbreeding does not guarantee the "best" of both breeds; genetics just don't work that way. You cannot predict which traits, characteristics and health issues will be passed to the next generation due to undocumented history of the generations and little or no health testing. I wish people understood this better! I'm so tired of (whatever breed)doodle owners telling me this. That's not the way genetics works. I know that these are probably not the responses that the OP hoped to receive. But there are a lot of adorable well-bred puppies from reputable breeders for probably the same price, not to mention an overwhelming amount of lovely adolescent and adult dogs waiting to be adopted. I hope that OP can help her DD make a more informed choice for her future companion. |
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Post by malibou on Mar 19, 2022 17:17:02 GMT
All of above, and right now she needs to read what her condo assc. allows. That should have happened first before she fell for too large a breed. Does she have neighbours below? A large dog is one way to make for unfriendly neighbour relations.
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Post by malibou on Mar 19, 2022 17:22:19 GMT
Crossbreeding does not guarantee the "best" of both breeds; genetics just don't work that way. You cannot predict which traits, characteristics and health issues will be passed to the next generation due to undocumented history of the generations and little or no health testing. I wish people understood this better! I'm so tired of (whatever breed)doodle owners telling me this. That's not the way genetics works. For sure! Poor Gregor Mendel must be tired of rolling in his grave, gnashing his teeth, tearing his hair out, and gnawing his own ears off. |
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Post by silverlining on Mar 19, 2022 17:22:41 GMT
I would take that weight prediction with a grain of salt. I don't know how accurate that is with a young puppy.
We just took care of a 30-pound, high-energy dog for a week. We have a large yard and spent hours every day throwing the ball for her to chase, walking her around our neighborhood, and taking her to the dog park/beach for her to run. She's 1.5 years old and easier to manage now than when she was a puppy. When she's with her owners, they wake up very early to throw the ball and let her run in their yard before they go to work and pay $25 a day to have a dog walker take her out so she doesn't go nuts during the day when they're gone. When they work from home, they are taking lots of breaks to give her exercise so she doesn't interrupt their meetings.
A larger breed puppy needs space inside and a yard AND an owner who has lots of time/money to make sure sure the dog is walked and trained well.
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Post by busy on Mar 19, 2022 17:52:57 GMT
. A larger breed puppy needs space inside and a yard AND an owner who has lots of time/money to make sure sure the dog is walked and trained well. I agree, except about a yard being mandatory. We don’t have a fenced yard but do have a young large breed dog that we’ve raised since he was a puppy. It can be done and done well. It is a HUGE commitment, though, when you can’t just open the back door and let the dog run. You cannot slack on getting them appropriate exercise and you have to be involved in all of it. |
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Post by Gennifer on Mar 19, 2022 18:15:55 GMT
I cannot image much worse than housetraining a puppy when you live in a condo. Like, it’s all I can do to throw on slippers in the middle of the night. If I had to get fully dressed and then schlep down a hallway to a stairwell or elevator, and then outside? YIKES.
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 19, 2022 18:22:46 GMT
This is a thing now?
What *is* it with these especially poodle mix combos as faux designer dogs?
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Post by MichyM on Mar 19, 2022 18:27:25 GMT
I cannot image much worse than housetraining a puppy when you live in a condo. Like, it’s all I can do to throw on slippers in the middle of the night. If I had to get fully dressed and then schlep down a hallway to a stairwell or elevator, and then outside? YIKES. Exactly. As a condo dweller, THAT ALONE has prevented me from getting a puppy. The idea of schlepping outside at 11pm in the pouring rain is not appealing to me at all. Plus, the cost associated with any messes made in the hallways. If I ever get a condo dog, it will be a smaller one. Because I have a living room sized terrace I could use one of the weekly (live) grass services in a pinch. Like this one: www.condopetpals.com/ But it is quite the financial commitment. And, it would not be a puppy! |
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 19, 2022 18:28:55 GMT
This is a thing now? What *is* it with these poodle mix combos as faux designer dogs? Poodle hair seems desirable over regular dog fur (ie, doesn't shed, softer, etc). We had a lab and she shed SO MUCH. We knew that. When she passed, my husband wanted a breed that didn't shed as much. We ended up getting a Portuguese Water Dog (like Bo Obama), and we had to sign a contract that we weren't breeding her, as they try very hard to keep the breed intact. The curly haired PWD look very similar to poodle hair. But a poodle can be very high strung (our PWD is as well), so I think they breed them with mellow/family dogs such as labs, and hope for the best of both worlds. |
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Post by sassyangel on Mar 19, 2022 18:34:51 GMT
This is a thing now? What *is* it with these poodle mix combos as faux designer dogs? Poodle hair seems desirable over regular dog fur (ie, doesn't shed, softer, etc). We had a lab and she shed SO MUCH. We knew that. When she passed, my husband wanted a breed that didn't shed as much. We ended up getting a Portuguese Water Dog (like Bo Obama), and we had to sign a contract that we weren't breeding her, as they try very hard to keep the breed intact. The curly haired PWD look very similar to poodle hair. But a poodle can be very high strung (our PWD is as well), so I think they breed them with mellow/family dogs such as labs, and hope for the best of both worlds. But that’s just it, a hope. Labs have known inherent genetic issues too, hip dysplasia etc. They have double coats that shed. You could get a dog with the worst of all possible traits. And often do. It’s a crapshoot. |
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Post by paigewh on Mar 19, 2022 18:51:29 GMT
Yes. I do. She will be four in August. We love her dearly and she is an excellent dog. We had previously rescued Greyhounds, but our last rescue bit our youngest daughter. They tend to have issues with space aggression (still the BEST DOGS EVER!) and it traumtized her. We told her she could pick any dog she wanted and she picked Daisy. We now have a Pyredoodle as well and wouldn't change a thing. People can judge me for owning two doodles and that's fine. They are excellent family dogs and we love them very much. As I stated, we had rescued dogs in the past, but this was the right thing for our family ❤️
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Post by paigewh on Mar 19, 2022 18:56:56 GMT
I didn't add the cons to a doodle or poodle - NO DOG is hypoallergenic no matter what anyone says. They do not shed in the typical fashion, but still lose hair - You'll find little fluff balls everywhere. Have her set some big bucks aside for grooming. They need it at least every 6-8 weeks and it is not cheap! Other than that, they're fantastic dogs with tons of personality. Have her check out the Bernedoodle FB groups. They'll be helpful. Best of luck!
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Post by paigewh on Mar 19, 2022 19:00:34 GMT
This breed of dog is not meant for a condo. That to me would be cruel for such a large dog to be in such a small space. She needs a backyard with a fence to allow the dog to play. Please encourage her to look for a smaller breed dog. I agree with this. We have an acre for our dogs. NO WAY can a large, active dog live in a condo. |
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Post by Gennifer on Mar 19, 2022 20:56:23 GMT
But that’s just it, a hope. Labs have known inherent genetic issues too, hip dysplasia etc. They have double coats that shed. You could get a dog with the worst of all possible traits. And often do. It’s a crapshoot. I mean… if I could have chosen which traits my kids would get from my husband and I, they’d all be brilliant (like me!) and have perfect eyesight (him!), and none of them would be procrastinators (me!) or have a genetic tooth disorder (him!). Genetics didn’t give a shit what I wanted. 🤷🏼♀️ |
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Post by rickmer on Mar 20, 2022 8:45:29 GMT
our best friends had one and had to get it put down recently at 4 years old, cancer, vet recognized it as a fairly common type of cancer in that breed i believe.
he was BIG, about 80lbs and yes, a small fortune for grooming. sweet dog but really just too big for me, they didn't train him properly so he was a lot of work. i would never get one based on their experience.
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I have nothing against pure-bred dogs, as I have owned Groenendaels and now own an Epagneul Breton. We are also, as a family, involved in animal rescue. A bernerdoodle (or any XXXdoodle) is nothing more than a mixed breed dog that you are paying top dollar for. Unless you are buying from a top breeder who is truly trying to develop a new breed, which means focusing on bloodlines, health of parents, etc, you are just contributing to the breeding for profit problem & pet over-population problem.
