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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 6, 2022 2:29:27 GMT
Last month I was in an online training and one of the presenters used the term "off the reservation" in the same way that I would use the phrase "the conversation went off the rails." I had never heard that phrase before and was a little shocked that someone would say that. The man who said it is originally from the northeast but currently lives in Florida, if that matters. Now I am watching CNN and Former Defense Secretary William Cohen just used that phrase. Is this something you have heard before?
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Post by greendragonlady on May 6, 2022 2:31:35 GMT
I've heard it but I would never say it.
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Post by used2scrap on May 6, 2022 2:33:35 GMT
I’ve heard it often in a military context, akin to off base, off post, off camp, off military reservation. Idk the origins of it though regarding referring to a military reservation vs Native American reservation though.
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Post by librarylady on May 6, 2022 2:35:22 GMT
Yes, I have heard the term. It is not in common use in my social circle.
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Post by ntsf on May 6, 2022 2:42:08 GMT
I've heard it.. would never use it. I think of native american reservations..
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 6, 2022 2:43:30 GMT
I've heard it.. would never use it. I think of native american reservations.. I agree. Although when I think of alternative phrases, "off base" could be similar.
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Post by papersilly on May 6, 2022 3:01:34 GMT
I've heard of it but I've never used it.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 6, 2022 3:15:12 GMT
I've heard it.. would never use it. I think of native american reservations.. This..
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Post by katlady on May 6, 2022 3:22:05 GMT
I've heard it. I've never used the saying. It is used to say you are going out of bounds, either a geographical restriction or outside the norms. And I believe it did initially refer to Native Americans, so I would say it is inappropriate.
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Post by ModChick on May 6, 2022 3:22:17 GMT
I am Métis, yes I’ve heard this phrase and I feel it is inappropriate.
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Post by grammadee on May 6, 2022 3:28:40 GMT
I actually USED it the other day. But in my defense, I have been reading Mick Herron's spy novels, and his M15 characters use the phrase for doing something on the sly, without reporting to superiors, maybe what would be referred to today as "on the down low".
I think of native american reservations.. The word itself is not of native origin. It was a Brit term used to describe the lands that were "reserved" for the indigenous peoples, not to be used for agriculture or industry by non natives.
The First Nations communities I have worked on over the years tend to refer to "our community" and if they are referring to their physical area they will call it "our reserve" or "the res", rather than the whole word from the treaties.
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Post by cmpeter on May 6, 2022 4:19:12 GMT
I’ve heard of it, but it’s not something I say.
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Post by CardBoxer on May 6, 2022 11:06:43 GMT
I’ve heard it and it’s offensive. Idioms by the Free Dictionary: ”1. Outside the bounds of control, propriety, or acceptance of a given group. The phrase refers to the forced relocation of Native Americans to Indian reservations in the United States. Because of this origin, the phrase is often considered offensive or inappropriate.” Old NPR article: ”In its literal and original sense, as you would expect, the term was used in the 19th century to describe the activities of Native Americans: "The acting commissioner of Indian affairs to-day received a telegram from Agent Roorke of the Klamath (Oregon) agency, dated July 6, in which he says: 'No Indians are off the reservation without authority. All my Indians are loyal and peaceable, and doing well." (Baltimore Sun, July 11, 1878) www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2014/06/29/326690947/should-saying-someone-is-off-the-reservation-be-off-limits
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Post by peasapie on May 6, 2022 11:44:24 GMT
I’ve never heard of this expression.
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Post by paulao on May 6, 2022 11:48:43 GMT
I’ve never heard this phrase and I wouldn’t use it.
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Post by Sarah*H on May 6, 2022 12:03:35 GMT
I have heard it somewhat often but only in the military context. I do think it is outdated and there are better ways to communicate the concept.
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Post by Bridget in MD on May 6, 2022 12:04:23 GMT
I"ve heard it, I would think it is offensive.
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Post by tallgirl on May 6, 2022 12:55:27 GMT
I've heard it and it's offensive. When I hear people say it these days, I suggest there might be a better way to phrase what they're trying to say. In most cases, people just don't know the origin of the term.
Similarly... I wouldn't use the following:
Circle the wagons Hold down the fort Too many chiefs, not enough Indians On the warpath Low man on the totem pole
The origins of all of these terms come from early settler/indigenous relations and symbolize a power struggle that favours settlers. I think there's better language to use in today's world.
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Post by littlemama on May 6, 2022 12:57:52 GMT
Yes, I have heard the phrase, although I dont know that I have eber used it. I will have to ask dh's native american siblings if they find it offensive. I dont get offended about things on behalf of other people.
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Post by milocat on May 6, 2022 13:18:06 GMT
I've never heard it used like off that. I have heard it in refernce to First Nations. I've read a few books by First Nations people and they mention going off rez, living off of the reservation, life off the rez that sort of context compared to life on the rez.
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Post by elaine on May 6, 2022 13:20:56 GMT
I've heard it.. would never use it. I think of native american reservations.. I agree. Although when I think of alternative phrases, "off base" could be similar. I’ve heard the original term, but have never used it. It seems to be obviously referencing Native Americans. For me, “off base” is different, simply because the word “base” can be defined as something other than a military base according to the dictionary. When I say “off base,” I don’t think of a military base (unless I am using it to literally describe something outside of a military base, such as needing to see a doctor “off base” when I usually get all my treatment on base). For me, when I usually say “off base,” base is a theoretical concept following the dictionary definition of base: “ a fundamental principle or groundwork.”
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Post by SockMonkey on May 6, 2022 13:22:26 GMT
Yes, and it's offensive and should be removed from folks' operating vocabulary.
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 6, 2022 14:52:43 GMT
I literally live right off the reservation. The expression that you gave would never ever be used up here. The man clearly doesn't know better.
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Post by chaosisapony on May 6, 2022 14:55:23 GMT
I've never heard that phrase and if someone said it to me I'm not sure I'd know what they were trying to express.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 6, 2022 15:05:30 GMT
I agree. Although when I think of alternative phrases, "off base" could be similar. I’ve heard the original term, but have never used it. It seems to be obviously referencing Native Americans. For me, “off base” is different, simply because the word “base” can be defined as something other than a military base according to the dictionary. When I say “off base,” I don’t think of a military base (unless I am using it to literally describe something outside of a military base, such as needing to see a doctor “off base” when I usually get all my treatment on base). For me, when I usually say “off base,” base is a theoretical concept following the dictionary definition of base: “ a fundamental principle or groundwork.”I've never thought of a military base when saying "something is off base" either, but when it was brought up I wondered if that is how it originated since William Cohen was defense secretary and probably military.
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Post by tentoes on May 6, 2022 15:16:04 GMT
When I say “off base,” I don’t think of a military base (unless I am using it to literally describe something outside of a military base, such as needing to see a doctor “off base” when I usually get all my treatment on base). For me, when I usually say “off base,” base is a theoretical concept following the dictionary definition of base: “ a fundamental principle or groundwork.”I've never thought of a military base when saying "something is off base" either, but when it was brought up I wondered if that is how it originated since William Cohen was defense secretary and probably military. I think of a baseball game--if someone is off base, they aren't "safe" and can be called OUT!
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Post by moretimeplease on May 6, 2022 18:58:39 GMT
To me, it’s inappropriate in the same way that saying “boatload” is inappropriate. It flippantly references situations that are typically limited to certain groups of people. It’s insensitive.
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Post by chlerbie on May 6, 2022 19:07:31 GMT
No, I've never heard it but now having heard it, I'd find it offensive.
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Post by katlady on May 6, 2022 19:49:51 GMT
To me, it’s inappropriate in the same way that saying “boatload” is inappropriate. It flippantly references situations that are typically limited to certain groups of people. It’s insensitive. I never thought of “boatload” as inappropriate. To me it just means a lot, as in “The cruise ship brought in a boatload of people to the shops.”
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Post by lisae on May 6, 2022 20:40:31 GMT
I've heard it but not for a long time.
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