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Post by iowgirl on May 25, 2022 15:14:56 GMT
The danger of using older Corelle (pre 2005) is currently ALL over my Facebook feed now.
While I don't dispute the possibility that these older dishes do contain lead in the decorations on them, I can NOT find anywhere on the Corelle sight that says this.
The Facebook post says "Corelle® recommends using their pre-2005 dishes as “decorative pieces”." ... I simply can not find that anywhere on Corelle's website.
I know someone tested the dishes and some came back high. But, as far as I can tell, it was a home test (again - I am not disputing that this is a possibility), and not something that was done by a certified laboratory or the CPSC.
So does anyone know if it is really true? As in a government agency or the Corelle company itself having done actual testing on it?
I think the origin is from "Lead Free Momma" or something along those lines, who had a child suffer lead poisoning. I understand the need for caution, but is this one of those things that has taken on a life of it's own, and maybe isn't too factual?
FYI - I don't use any Corelle, but I grew up using those with the green flowers ♥
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Post by BSnyder on May 25, 2022 15:21:38 GMT
We use Corelle dishes and I still have plenty pieces of cookware in rotation that were handed down to me from my grandmother. I had never heard anything about this before, but the only reputable information I could find through a quick search is from SNOPES: www.snopes.com/fact-check/vintage-pyrex-contains-unsafe-levels-of-lead/, which comes to the conclusion that it is unlikely an issue. If it is, the damage has already been done for me and my kids.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on May 25, 2022 15:26:44 GMT
I am using my Corelle from 1990, both dishes and baking pieces. I do have two of my mother's Cornflower baking pieces.
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Post by milocat on May 25, 2022 15:28:31 GMT
Once you go down the Lead Safe Mama rabbit hole you will be freaked out. She has a machine that tests for lead, cadmium and other things. It's truly scary how toxic everything from Corelle, Pyrex, coffee mugs, Tupperware, kids toys are. The list is endless. 90 ppm is safe for kids and things have 10,000 50,000 100,000ppm.
She is on IG & FB (lead safe mama) and has a website (https://tamararubin.com/)
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Post by iowgirl on May 25, 2022 15:43:58 GMT
It's truly scary how toxic everything from Corelle, Pyrex, coffee mugs, Tupperware, kids toys are. The list is endless. 90 ppm is safe for kids and things have 10,000 50,000 100,000ppm. She is on IG & FB (lead safe mama) and has a website (https://tamararubin.com/) This is what I am questioning. Is she a scare monger? I know she has been affected by lead poisoning in her children, but I can't find anything that backs her stuff up. I can't believe the CPSC would not be addressing this if it was a real concern. I just can't find any 'real' info on it. I don't blame anyone to err on the side of caution when it comes down to this - but is it true? Or is it something that is getting way blown out of proportion? I worked in a lab once upon a time. I know how actual results can get misinterpreted. I also know how some testing methods are not going to give correct results, or at least very misleading results.
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Post by littlemama on May 25, 2022 15:55:20 GMT
I wouldnt take action based on a social media post. If there was an issue, Corelle and the government agencies would be all over it, as well as educated people, like doctors.
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Post by milocat on May 25, 2022 16:03:53 GMT
Same way no one addresses things like how bad all the crap in the food we eat is for us, how bad the fragrances in personal care products, candles, cleaning supplies, how bad it is to replace BPAs with something else, how bad it is to have off gassing from flooring, furniture, fire retardants, glyphoshate in our food or handling it. All those things cause everything from cancer, are endrochine disriputors, alzheimers, fertility issues, etc but most don't care.
She's one person taking on lead because of her personal issue with it.
I wouldn't trust the government or big pharma to tell you what is safe. The EU has banned over 1300 chemicals in personal care products alone. The US 11. Canada 500.
Money is in treating sick people and money is in making things the cheapest way. Whether that's food with high fructose corn syrup and trans fats or products that say "fragrance" which are then legally allowed to hide any nimber of questionable ingredients without naming them or whether that's with lead.
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Post by iowgirl on May 25, 2022 16:31:05 GMT
I wouldnt take action based on a social media post. If there was an issue, Corelle and the government agencies would be all over it, as well as educated people, like doctors. My local County Health posted it on Facebook. That is what started bugging me. I've seen a bunch of people post it, but when a government agency does - without real sound fact based reporting on it - that bugs me.
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Post by hop2 on May 25, 2022 17:25:15 GMT
Is the lead in the glass of dishes itself? Or is it markings from cutlery used on the dishes? ( for some reason our country has lesson cutlery at some points ). Or the decor on the plate? There needs to be more details. AND why 2005? What changed in the manufacturing in 2005 to make them safe. Again details needed.
You can’t just swab an old plate & be like this has lead, there’s many more variables than that. Where was the plate used, what was it used with etc. i mean I gues you could swab your own plates to decide wether to use them or not but for an actual scientific study/government warning or ban there needs to be more clarity.
I guess since my Corelle is pre 2005, then I’ll have to go down this rabbit hole for myself.
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Post by melanell on May 25, 2022 17:56:11 GMT
I think that when something affects you or your family, you can easily become far more concerned about it than the average person actually needs to be. And I respectfully think that may be part of the intensity of the information provided by Lead Safe Mama. And I get that. For instance, my father & grandfather were both firefighters, and I know I am way more diligent about things than other people are, and yet they still get by just fine without my same level of fire prevention awareness. My husband & kids do things to appease me, even though DH never did some of those things ever in his entire life before he started living with me.
But back to lead, unless I'm wrong, aren't lead checks for babies and young children a standard part of well child checks in the US? They were standard when my kids were young, regardless of what doctor we were seeing with which child. We were using old Pyrex with our kids and we spent time in old homes and my kids' lead levels were always well below the safe mark. If the Pyrex was truly a danger, I would have expected to see the lead levels to at least come back higher, even if not at a level worthy of immediate concern.
So while I don't begrudge anyone who wants to try to help others avoid something awful happening, I personally see those Facebook posts and I just let them go by. But again, I think we all choose which risk factors are more worrisome to us based on our life experiences, so I understand that while I feel perfectly fine with my old dishes, others may find reason to rid their homes of their own.
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Post by milocat on May 25, 2022 19:12:58 GMT
Is the lead in the glass of dishes itself? Or is it markings from cutlery used on the dishes? ( for some reason our country has lesson cutlery at some points ). Or the decor on the plate? There needs to be more details. AND why 2005? What changed in the manufacturing in 2005 to make them safe. Again details needed. You can’t just swab an old plate & be like this has lead, there’s many more variables than that. Where was the plate used, what was it used with etc. i mean I gues you could swab your own plates to decide wether to use them or not but for an actual scientific study/government warning or ban there needs to be more clarity. I guess since my Corelle is pre 2005, then I’ll have to go down this rabbit hole for myself. In the paint, on the patterns. Or the measurements painted on a Pyrex measuring cup. Fisher Price recommends not playing with vintage toys tamararubin.com/2020/11/fisher-price-recommends-not-letting-kids-play-with-their-vintage-toys-use-them-as-decor-only-they-can-have-unsafe-levels-of-lead-cadmium-arsenic-mercury/
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Post by busy on May 25, 2022 21:24:49 GMT
There is zero chance that unsafe levels of lead were allowed in dishes as late as 2005. I could believe it for the '70s but not this century. Lead paint in homes stopped being used in 1978 because it was unsafe. Certainly unsafe lead levels weren't allowed in things you are supposed to eat off of after that.
Nothing about this sounds reasonable.
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Post by valincal on May 25, 2022 21:40:51 GMT
I follow several scientists on Instagram who debunk a lot of the crap lay people like to spout as fact without any scientific data to back up their claims, especially regarding additives, preservatives, holistic cures, etc. etc.. I find them very reassuring.
@foodsciencebabe @unbiasedscipod @ranellamd
All women who explain things in a relatable way.
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