pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Jun 14, 2022 18:58:09 GMT
So does eliminating Social Security and Medicare not effect senior MAGAts or are they just to stupid to understand how it will effect them?
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Post by Gem Girl on Jun 14, 2022 19:00:46 GMT
I believe the latter is the case.
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Post by katlady on Jun 14, 2022 19:01:06 GMT
Entitlements?? I've paid into SS for over 30 years! That is not an entitlement, that is my money!
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 14, 2022 20:38:10 GMT
My guess is that current retirees correctly understand that Republicans will exempt current retirees.
It's all the rest of us who are effed and why should they care about that?
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Post by pyccku on Jun 14, 2022 21:05:48 GMT
My guess is that current retirees correctly understand that Republicans will exempt current retirees. It's all the rest of us who are effed and why should they care about that? And if that's the case, why would anyone continue to pay into the system? Right now, what I pay in is going towards the people who are already retired with the understanding that eventually I will be the one receiving benefits. If you try to tell people that they must continue paying into SS but they will not get benefits, you will either have people get rid of all withholding on their taxes OR a massive general strike from those who will never benefit from SS.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 14, 2022 21:13:00 GMT
I doubt I would be exempted by the GQP.
My former employer would be very upset to have to pay full price for my medical coverage. They are very happy to pay my Medicare premium and minor cost for secondary ins.
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Jun 14, 2022 21:21:05 GMT
My guess is that current retirees correctly understand that Republicans will exempt current retirees. Correctly understand? Where have they said this?
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 14, 2022 21:26:04 GMT
My guess is that current retirees correctly understand that Republicans will exempt current retirees. Correctly understand? Where have they said this? I cannot say for sure that this is what will happen, but I worked at a think tank years ago and that was the Republican long-term plan, so I am guessing this is what they would do. I think it's just completely unsalable to take benefits away from current retirees.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 14, 2022 21:31:16 GMT
They don't care... They don't care if kids get decapitated at school why would they care if I have food, housing and medical care?
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 14, 2022 21:33:29 GMT
My guess is that current retirees correctly understand that Republicans will exempt current retirees. It's all the rest of us who are effed and why should they care about that? They don't care about any of us, young or old! BTW; it is right in Rick Scott's plan which the Democrats should be quoting every day!
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pinklady
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Post by pinklady on Jun 14, 2022 21:37:38 GMT
Correctly understand? Where have they said this? I cannot say for sure that this is what will happen, but I worked at a think tank years ago and that was the Republican long-term plan, so I am guessing this is what they would do. I think it's just completely unsalable to take benefits away from current retirees. That's interesting. I had never heard that so I guess that's good for my parent but sucks for me.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 14, 2022 21:42:44 GMT
Correctly understand? Where have they said this? I cannot say for sure that this is what will happen, but I worked at a think tank years ago and that was the Republican long-term plan, so I am guessing this is what they would do. I think it's just completely unsalable to take benefits away from current retirees. Unfortunately years ago was a very different GOP.. today they are totally cruel.
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Post by Merge on Jun 14, 2022 22:10:01 GMT
The part that is an entitlement is everything you receive in SS benefits beyond what you have paid in. Statistically, for most current retirees, that will be a lot because people live much longer than they used to. My generation is paying into a system that will not be there to support us in our old age at the current burn rate.
Do I agree with taking benefits from retirees? Of course not. But we’re going to have to raise taxes or find other sources of revenue to keep that from happening in the long run.
That means that some of those affluent retirees and near-retirees who get so mad about their various taxes (and vote R because of taxes) are going to have to lighten up a bit on that. The younger generations can only do so much and our own retirements are looming.
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 14, 2022 22:54:34 GMT
Entitlements?? I've paid into SS for over 30 years! That is not an entitlement, that is my money! Entitlement isn't a bad word! Social security is an entitlement program.
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 14, 2022 22:55:21 GMT
I cannot say for sure that this is what will happen, but I worked at a think tank years ago and that was the Republican long-term plan, so I am guessing this is what they would do. I think it's just completely unsalable to take benefits away from current retirees. Unfortunately years ago was a very different GOP.. today they are totally cruel. It's not about whether or not it is cruel. The GOP relies on older white voters; I do not believe that they believe they can win if they cut off the benefits from retired voters.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 14, 2022 23:05:21 GMT
Did they care about older voters with Covid?
Rx prices?
Letting our kids die one way or another?
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jun 14, 2022 23:19:52 GMT
I keep trying to tell the Rs in my life but they say no it’s not really going to happen. Seriously listen to what they are saying and what they have been doing.
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Post by mellyw on Jun 15, 2022 0:16:53 GMT
I know it’s not feasible for everyone, but our retirement plan takes into account no money from social security. If it’s there when we retire, great, but we made sure to not count on it in any way.
Though it makes me I’ll to think of what would happen with my MIL. Without S.S she’d be out of her home, and know there are plenty others like that
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Post by littlemama on Jun 15, 2022 0:53:00 GMT
Step 1 in funding Social Security is to remove the wage cap. The rich can afford to pay in more, there is no reason for them to get yet another tax break.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 1:15:11 GMT
Gee, you'd think they'd realize, hmmm...we are trying to take blood from a stone. How about we tax the rich?
It reminds me of the mass shooter excuses. Arm the teachers! Lock the doors! Get bulletproof backpacks. How about get rid of the assault rifles?
All this chin scratching and finger pointing and look a squirrel tactic is as old as the median age of the GOP. So tired of these clowns.
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Post by tincin on Jun 15, 2022 2:00:00 GMT
My guess is that current retirees correctly understand that Republicans will exempt current retirees. It's all the rest of us who are effed and why should they care about that? Some of us care very much.
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Post by tincin on Jun 15, 2022 2:03:53 GMT
Step 1 in funding Social Security is to remove the wage cap. The rich can afford to pay in more, there is no reason for them to get yet another tax break. Exactly. If they removed the cap there would be plenty of money in the program. Secondly the military takes OVER 50% of the National budget. F that. Time to cut back, there is a ton of waste there.
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Post by chaosisapony on Jun 15, 2022 2:11:30 GMT
I also recently saw they are planning on another 8.6% social security increase to retirees. I'm all for taking care of seniors but it's pretty frustrating as a working person to 1)know social security won't be there for me but be forced to contribute anyway 2) watch them get raises of MUCH higher amounts than my employer is willing to give. So I continue to lose spending power while retirees keep theirs.
Maybe my perception is colored because everyone I know that is retired makes more money retired between their pensions and social security than they ever made working. And yeah, it makes me a little salty.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 2:27:32 GMT
My guess is that current retirees correctly understand that Republicans will exempt current retirees. It's all the rest of us who are effed and why should they care about that? They don't care about any of us, young or old! BTW; it is right in Rick Scott's plan which the Democrats should be quoting every day! Anyone with a brain in FL does quote Rick Scott and express their disdain for him. As far as believing him? Eh, not sure. Then again, how he wasn't arrested for a lifetime for his FL Medicare fraud is beyond me. That, alone, should have kept him FAR away from politics forever.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 15, 2022 2:28:04 GMT
Step 1 in funding Social Security is to remove the wage cap. The rich can afford to pay in more, there is no reason for them to get yet another tax break. Exactly. If they removed the cap there would be plenty of money in the program. Secondly the military takes OVER 50% of the National budget. F that. Time to cut back, there is a ton of waste there. Nope - official cbo for last reported fiscal year 10.8% - estimate for 2022 will be just under 20% The deficit was higher than military spending for the last fiscal year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 2:30:36 GMT
I know it’s not feasible for everyone, but our retirement plan takes into account no money from social security. If it’s there when we retire, great, but we made sure to not count on it in any way. Though it makes me I’ll to think of what would happen with my MIL. Without S.S she’d be out of her home, and know there are plenty others like that DH always told me that once his SS couldn't cover rent + electric, he'd really worry about being homeless. Well, I reached that point. My SSD (together with my widow benefit from his SS) doesn't even cover our monthly rent anymore. It went up $500 since he passed (insane, I know!!). I'm trying every which way to cover rent, insurance, and monthly bills. It's a miracle if I pay it all every month.
Our SS should go up according to inflation rates. That would be fair.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jun 15, 2022 3:10:06 GMT
I know it’s not feasible for everyone, but our retirement plan takes into account no money from social security. If it’s there when we retire, great, but we made sure to not count on it in any way. Though it makes me I’ll to think of what would happen with my MIL. Without S.S she’d be out of her home, and know there are plenty others like that Exactly and it’s the same for the republicans I know. They need Medicare and social security to get by. But no they don’t believe it will really happen it’s just fear mongering. All they have to do is pay attention but nope. I just hope it doesn’t happen.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jun 15, 2022 3:27:55 GMT
Post Sen Rick Scott's plan on billboards in well chosen areas. **** Here is Scott's plan. Too hard to edit on my phone. www.wfla.com/news/politics/fl-sen-rick-scotts-tax-plan-under-fire-from-white-house/More than 80% of the tax increase would be paid by households making about $54,000 or less, and 97% would be paid by those making less than about $100,000,” according to TPC. Raise taxes on half of Americans, including seniors and working families,” White House Rapid Response Director Mike Gwin said in a tweet. “Literally nothing on how to lower prices for working families.”
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Post by lindas on Jun 15, 2022 4:41:21 GMT
I also recently saw they are planning on another 8.6% social security increase to retirees. I'm all for taking care of seniors but it's pretty frustrating as a working person to 1)know social security won't be there for me but be forced to contribute anyway 2) watch them get raises of MUCH higher amounts than my employer is willing to give. So I continue to lose spending power while retirees keep theirs. Maybe my perception is colored because everyone I know that is retired makes more money retired between their pensions and social security than they ever made working. And yeah, it makes me a little salty. Social Security recipients received a 5.9% increase for 2022. The Medicare part B increase was 14.5%. The average retired worker gets $1657 a month from SS. So their average increase was $92. Medicare Part B increased from $148.50 to $170.10 leaving a net increase of $70. The current inflation rate is at 8.6% so if you think that 5.9% is allowing them to keep their spending power the same you’re sadly mistaken. FTR that 5.9% was the highest increase in 40 yrs, for 2021 it was 1.3%.
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Post by used2scrap on Jun 15, 2022 4:46:26 GMT
I also recently saw they are planning on another 8.6% social security increase to retirees. I'm all for taking care of seniors but it's pretty frustrating as a working person to 1)know social security won't be there for me but be forced to contribute anyway 2) watch them get raises of MUCH higher amounts than my employer is willing to give. So I continue to lose spending power while retirees keep theirs. Maybe my perception is colored because everyone I know that is retired makes more money retired between their pensions and social security than they ever made working. And yeah, it makes me a little salty. m Idk my mother lives on a small pension and social security. Yes there was a cost of living increase, but her Medicare went up more, so she’s actually bringing in less money this year then last. Which isn’t holding up to rent increases and inflation at all.
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