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Post by disneypal on Aug 1, 2022 20:22:21 GMT
I am really not sure why I am posting this - I just found it interesting I suppose. Thoughts??
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Post by freecharlie on Aug 1, 2022 20:24:20 GMT
If you can claim them on your tax return, it gives the justification for outlawing abortion. If you can't claim it, then it cannot be a person which helps the argument for roe v wade.
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Post by pinklady on Aug 1, 2022 20:37:23 GMT
All the red states are going to have to do this if they outlaw abortion. They can't say it's a person to outlaw abortion but not a person in terms of dependents on tax returns. There's no way it would legally stand up in court.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 1, 2022 21:01:39 GMT
Keep in mind they are planning on stopping IVF, so it will no longer be an issue!
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 1, 2022 21:03:25 GMT
Okay then, how about for the census? If that’s the case, shouldn’t the embryo be counted in the next census? 🙄 /s Exactly where is that line drawn? I remember when the census was taken in 2010 I was still a few months away from giving birth and of course my kid wasn’t counted yet because she wasn’t born yet.
And if they’re going to go so far as to allow it to be claimed as a dependent on a tax return, then I would assume child support should be enforced at that time as well. Am I wrong to hope this turns into a huge, messy, slippery slope that none of these idiots ever imagined or bargained for?
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Post by pinklady on Aug 1, 2022 21:10:44 GMT
Republicans are really concerned about the child support issue...  |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 1, 2022 21:24:06 GMT
Republicans are really concerned about the child support issue...  Yeah, because that dude’s argument makes *SO* much sense.  How is taking child support off the table going to make MORE women want to go forward and have their unwanted babies? |
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Post by roxley on Aug 1, 2022 21:25:36 GMT
Republicans are really concerned about the child support issue... Wooooooow….. or, since she knows she will have no help for the baby, she gets an abortion even if she really wants a baby. I think that is a more likely scenario that the drivel this guy is spewing out. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 1, 2022 22:08:35 GMT
Another fool from West Virginia, but this one is a GOP state Senator..
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Post by Dani-Mani on Aug 1, 2022 22:14:48 GMT
Eh. I have mixed feelings about this.
I spend thousands to keep my embryos (12 currently) in storage as do many other women with fertility issues. A tax break wouldn’t be bad…
That said…that embryo represents the potential for life. It’s not alive. It’s so damn small you can’t even see it with the naked eye. Not all of them aren’t even viable embryos because they’re poorly formed and missing multiple chromosomes.
I get this is some under the table shit to support why abortion should be illegal so I’ll continue to shell out thousands to keep them in storage.
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 1, 2022 23:18:10 GMT
Eh. I have mixed feelings about this. I spend thousands to keep my embryos (12 currently) in storage as do many other women with fertility issues. A tax break wouldn’t be bad… That said…that embryo represents the potential for life. It’s not alive. It’s so damn small you can’t even see it with the naked eye. Not all of them aren’t even viable embryos because they’re poorly formed and missing multiple chromosomes. I get this is some under the table shit to support why abortion should be illegal so I’ll continue to shell out thousands to keep them in storage. I did IVF too so clicked on the article, but it turns out the embryo has to have a heartbeat, so frozen embryos don't count (mine didn't make it, other than the existing live child). I'm guessing IVF will be illegal in those states pretty soon for related reasons (for sure I had pro-life people tell me God did not permit IVF). |
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 1, 2022 23:19:53 GMT
Republicans are really concerned about the child support issue... Wooooooow….. or, since she knows she will have no help for the baby, she gets an abortion even if she really wants a baby. I think that is a more likely scenario that the drivel this guy is spewing out. Since a single mom keeping her baby doesn't increase the "domestic supply of infants" this was always where things would go eventually. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 1, 2022 23:21:09 GMT
If you can claim them on your tax return, it gives the justification for outlawing abortion. If you can't claim it, then it cannot be a person which helps the argument for roe v wade. Yes. I disagree with making a clump of cells something with rights. What's next? Sperm? Are we taking out life insurance policies on a guy's wad? This country is ridiculous. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Aug 1, 2022 23:28:37 GMT
If you can claim them on your tax return, it gives the justification for outlawing abortion. If you can't claim it, then it cannot be a person which helps the argument for roe v wade. Yes. I disagree with making a clump of cells something with rights. What's next? Sperm? Are we taking out life insurance policies on a guy's wad? This country is ridiculous. All the more reason to snip, snip!! |
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 2, 2022 1:22:18 GMT
Yes. I disagree with making a clump of cells something with rights. What's next? Sperm? Are we taking out life insurance policies on a guy's wad? This country is ridiculous. All the more reason to snip, snip!! Hey, I know you mean well, and we are on the same side of this, but the father who raised me had a vasectomy, which the doctors could not reverse, which is not uncommon, because vasectomies aren't automatically reversible; I am the kid of a sperm donor, and am not super thrilled with the whole "just give the men vasectomies" discourse. |
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Post by SockMonkey on Aug 2, 2022 1:30:59 GMT
All the more reason to snip, snip!! Hey, I know you mean well, and we are on the same side of this, but the father who raised me had a vasectomy, which the doctors could not reverse, which is not uncommon, because vasectomies aren't automatically reversible; I am the kid of a sperm donor, and am not super thrilled with the whole "just give the men vasectomies" discourse. I agree. The solution is to allow for the appropriate reproductive health care based on the person’s choice, regardless of sex organs. |
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Post by melanell on Aug 2, 2022 11:54:44 GMT
Keep in mind they are planning on stopping IVF, so it will no longer be an issue! I take it to mean "embryo" as simply meaning the embryonic period of pregnancy in general, not necessarily anything to do with IVF. So, if one happens to become pregnant in GA, before the cutoff date, they can claim an extra dependent. My question is what happens if the person later suffers a pregnancy loss? Is the state going to come after them about that? Because I wouldn't put it past them, really. |
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Post by melanell on Aug 2, 2022 12:00:52 GMT
Okay then, how about for the census? If that’s the case, shouldn’t the embryo be counted in the next census? 🙄 /s Exactly where is that line drawn? I remember when the census was taken in 2010 I was still a few months away from giving birth and of course my kid wasn’t counted yet because she wasn’t born yet. And if they’re going to go so far as to allow it to be claimed as a dependent on a tax return, then I would assume child support should be enforced at that time as well. Am I wrong to hope this turns into a huge, messy, slippery slope that none of these idiots ever imagined or bargained for? I'm wondering how many people, knowing full well that they will be terminating their pregnancy, will go ahead and claim it first. That's the kind of loophole I imagine the state would want to close, which is what made me concerned for women who suffer a loss.  As for the census, it requires a birthdate. now, so that makes it difficult to include someone who hasn't obtained a birthdate yet.  |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Aug 2, 2022 14:20:54 GMT
Okay then, how about for the census? If that’s the case, shouldn’t the embryo be counted in the next census? 🙄 /s Exactly where is that line drawn? I remember when the census was taken in 2010 I was still a few months away from giving birth and of course my kid wasn’t counted yet because she wasn’t born yet. And if they’re going to go so far as to allow it to be claimed as a dependent on a tax return, then I would assume child support should be enforced at that time as well. Am I wrong to hope this turns into a huge, messy, slippery slope that none of these idiots ever imagined or bargained for? I'm wondering how many people, knowing full well that they will be terminating their pregnancy, will go ahead and claim it first. That's the kind of loophole I imagine the state would want to close, which is what made me concerned for women who suffer a loss. As for the census, it requires a birthdate. now, so that makes it difficult to include someone who hasn't obtained a birthdate yet.  Oh, it’s totally ridiculous but really the whole concept of “counting” something that’s not a born, breathing, viable person is too. The religious right just keeps pushing the envelope further and further. I truly do hope that all of this insane posturing ends up backfiring on them horribly but how many *actual, living people* are going to end up being harmed in the meantime? |
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Post by Scrapper100 on Aug 2, 2022 19:34:45 GMT
Keep in mind they are planning on stopping IVF, so it will no longer be an issue! I take it to mean "embryo" as simply meaning the embryonic period of pregnancy in general, not necessarily anything to do with IVF. So, if one happens to become pregnant in GA, before the cutoff date, they can claim an extra dependent. My question is what happens if the person later suffers a pregnancy loss? Is the state going to come after them about that? Because I wouldn't put it past them, really. This is what I would worry about. Haven’t a few women already been detained because of this? Miscarriages happen often and a woman shouldn’t be put through even more trauma when this happens. |
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Post by Mel on Aug 2, 2022 19:36:55 GMT
All the red states are going to have to do this if they outlaw abortion. They can't say it's a person to outlaw abortion but not a person in terms of dependents on tax returns. There's no way it would legally stand up in court. I haven't read the other replies yet so this might have been said already but, if you can claim them on taxes, they should be able to be claimed on applications for assistance(food stamps, medical, etc.) as well. |
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Post by hopemax on Aug 2, 2022 19:38:50 GMT
Stupid questions I shouldn't have to have pop up in my weird brain...!
If there is a pregnancy via a surrogate, who gets the tax deduction? The surrogate or the eventual parents?
Changed the wording because what about donated eggs / sperm so the genetic parents, which is what I had originally said may not even be the parents.
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Post by amom23 on Aug 2, 2022 19:40:18 GMT
For us to claim minor dependents on our taxes the kids need names and social security numbers. How is this going to work with an embryo?
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Post by allison1954 on Aug 2, 2022 21:38:23 GMT
All the red states are going to have to do this if they outlaw abortion. They can't say it's a person to outlaw abortion but not a person in terms of dependents on tax returns. There's no way it would legally stand up in court. I think they can do so on STATE tax returns but they can’t alter what IRS code is. They have no authority on the federal level. Same with census. |
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How is taking child support off the table going to make MORE women want to go forward and have their unwanted babies? 
